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On September 09 2011 04:08 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 03:48 MrProphylactic wrote:
To be honest I do not know why or how I became the center of focus. LOL Listen, I have a good idea for you, MrProphylactic. Rather than participating in this team game, which does not seem to really be your cup of tea, why don't you do the opposite: start a new TL Chess Match, featuring you as the master who takes on the team. You could even start it now; no need to wait for this one to be over. I bet a lot of people from this game would sign up to play you too.
It is a an Idea. One match at a time is probably enough though . Unless enough players really wanted to get two games going .
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On September 09 2011 04:15 MrProphylactic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 04:08 qrs wrote:On September 09 2011 03:48 MrProphylactic wrote:
To be honest I do not know why or how I became the center of focus. LOL Listen, I have a good idea for you, MrProphylactic. Rather than participating in this team game, which does not seem to really be your cup of tea, why don't you do the opposite: start a new TL Chess Match, featuring you as the master who takes on the team. You could even start it now; no need to wait for this one to be over. I bet a lot of people from this game would sign up to play you too. It is a an Idea. One match at a time is probably enough though . Unless enough players really wanted to get two games going. You can always gauge the numbers here in this thread before starting one of your own. Here, I'll make a poll for you:
Poll: If Mr Prof started TL Chess Match 5, would you sign up to play him?Yes, starting any time. (8) 42% No. (5) 26% Maybe once this game is over. (4) 21% Yes, but only once this game is over. (1) 5% Maybe, starting any time. (1) 5% Other. (0) 0% 19 total votes Your vote: If Mr Prof started TL Chess Match 5, would you sign up to play him? (Vote): Yes, but only once this game is over.
(Vote): Yes, starting any time.
(Vote): Maybe once this game is over.
(Vote): Maybe, starting any time.
(Vote): No.
(Vote): Other.
I voted, "Yes, starting anytime".
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On September 09 2011 03:48 MrProphylactic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 02:50 Blazinghand wrote:On September 09 2011 02:42 qrs wrote:On September 09 2011 02:17 MrProphylactic wrote:
( It never ceases to amaze me how 1500 level players know everything about chess. ) MrProphylactic, you're missing the point of the game, I think. From what you've said about yourself, you may very well be the strongest individual player here, but this isn't about who is the strongest player; it's about playing the game as a team and having fun discussing it together. When one of us posts analysis, we're not saying, "Look, I know everything about chess." We're saying, "This is how it seems to me; if you disagree, then show me why I'm wrong." The nice thing about chess is that if you know someone is wrong, you very often can show them exactly why, and that happens, and we learn and everyone is happy. Sometimes it's not easy to prove that your assessment of a given position is correct, but even then, discussion usually leads to a better understanding of the pros and cons of a position and why each person thinks what he does about it. I haven't been taking anyone's analysis on faith here, and I don't much care what their rating is. I think that jdseemoreglass has been contributing good analysis, not because he impressed me with his rating but because in many cases, when I followed his lines, I couldn't find anything better, or he showed me why something I thought might work was wrong. In other cases, even after discussion with him, I disagreed with his assessment, and in a case or two, it even seemed to me like he had overlooked something outright, but even if he has made mistakes from time to time (as most of us have), that's nothing to worry about because although I think he's a good analyst, I still check his lines for myself before trusting them. I would do that if he were Kasparov, because otherwise, I'm not playing the game for myself, I'm just voting along with someone else. You've also contributed some good analysis, MrProphylactic, although I've followed less of it because, at first, your posts were hard to read (they've gotten better). I value your input to the game because it's good input. The fact that you're a master is irrelevant to me. TL;DR: it's about playing the game to the best of our ability--each one of us--and having fun, not about winning at all costs. Don't appeal to your authority as a player, convince us of your moves by showing us why they're right. That way everyone enjoys the game, whether we win or not. Big Q hits the nail on the head with this post. I was going to make a similar point and realized that he's got it all covered already. Also, I vote for 8. Nbd4+ Show Spoiler +
We want to interpose, and this develops the knight and also threatens his knight. I think it works fine and it guards our other knight and in general is awesome.
I'd also like to note that, if we castled during any of the moves I said we should castle we'd be fine now.
+ Show Spoiler +That is all I have been focusing on, providing accurate analysis. When someone attacks me as a person however I will respond, at this point, this experience is rather comical for me.
I am beginning to see why having this many players of the current average strength is a handicap in this case. But I will try to steer the natives as best I can . Most of the analysis provided by some here is so flawed(after ng5 made it clear about engines) , I would not now where to begin correcting it, .
But... I will try my best time allowed ( unless I lose interest ) to correct any lines i see that have gross tactical mistakes while putting it in simplelist way possible so people can follow. To be honest I do not know why or how I became the center of focus. Being a run of the mill master is really not that big of deal. It is just Ironic at ICC you see the same thing during tourny broadcasts . 1500 know it alls, gets on my nerves a tad sometimes ,However, I will try my best to ignore the phenomenon from now on EDIT: how can a knight go to D4? that is illegal . Maybe you mean Nbd2 ???
to be honest I believe you were the first to make a personal attack, and even then, he never really attacked you back.
personally I cant tell if you yourself are the master troll because he explicitly has a trollface at the end of his post but you took it SUPER seriously.
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Blazinghand
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On September 09 2011 03:48 MrProphylactic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 02:50 Blazinghand wrote:On September 09 2011 02:42 qrs wrote:On September 09 2011 02:17 MrProphylactic wrote:
( It never ceases to amaze me how 1500 level players know everything about chess. ) MrProphylactic, you're missing the point of the game, I think. From what you've said about yourself, you may very well be the strongest individual player here, but this isn't about who is the strongest player; it's about playing the game as a team and having fun discussing it together. When one of us posts analysis, we're not saying, "Look, I know everything about chess." We're saying, "This is how it seems to me; if you disagree, then show me why I'm wrong." The nice thing about chess is that if you know someone is wrong, you very often can show them exactly why, and that happens, and we learn and everyone is happy. Sometimes it's not easy to prove that your assessment of a given position is correct, but even then, discussion usually leads to a better understanding of the pros and cons of a position and why each person thinks what he does about it. I haven't been taking anyone's analysis on faith here, and I don't much care what their rating is. I think that jdseemoreglass has been contributing good analysis, not because he impressed me with his rating but because in many cases, when I followed his lines, I couldn't find anything better, or he showed me why something I thought might work was wrong. In other cases, even after discussion with him, I disagreed with his assessment, and in a case or two, it even seemed to me like he had overlooked something outright, but even if he has made mistakes from time to time (as most of us have), that's nothing to worry about because although I think he's a good analyst, I still check his lines for myself before trusting them. I would do that if he were Kasparov, because otherwise, I'm not playing the game for myself, I'm just voting along with someone else. You've also contributed some good analysis, MrProphylactic, although I've followed less of it because, at first, your posts were hard to read (they've gotten better). I value your input to the game because it's good input. The fact that you're a master is irrelevant to me. TL;DR: it's about playing the game to the best of our ability--each one of us--and having fun, not about winning at all costs. Don't appeal to your authority as a player, convince us of your moves by showing us why they're right. That way everyone enjoys the game, whether we win or not. Big Q hits the nail on the head with this post. I was going to make a similar point and realized that he's got it all covered already. Also, I vote for 8. Nbd4+ Show Spoiler +
We want to interpose, and this develops the knight and also threatens his knight. I think it works fine and it guards our other knight and in general is awesome.
I'd also like to note that, if we castled during any of the moves I said we should castle we'd be fine now.
+ Show Spoiler +That is all I have been focusing on, providing accurate analysis. When someone attacks me as a person however I will respond, at this point, this experience is rather comical for me.
I am beginning to see why having this many players of the current average strength is a handicap in this case. But I will try to steer the natives as best I can . Most of the analysis provided by some here is so flawed(after ng5 made it clear about engines) , I would not now where to begin correcting it, .
But... I will try my best time allowed ( unless I lose interest ) to correct any lines i see that have gross tactical mistakes while putting it in simplelist way possible so people can follow. To be honest I do not know why or how I became the center of focus. Being a run of the mill master is really not that big of deal. It is just Ironic at ICC you see the same thing during tourny broadcasts . 1500 know it alls, gets on my nerves a tad sometimes ,However, I will try my best to ignore the phenomenon from now on EDIT: how can a knight go to D4? that is illegal . Maybe you mean Nbd2 ???
Ah, yes, that's what I meant. Thanks. Also referring to us as "the natives" isn't very respectful, either to us or the people affected by that kind of stereotype. Please do not do so in the future.
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On September 09 2011 04:21 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 04:15 MrProphylactic wrote:On September 09 2011 04:08 qrs wrote:On September 09 2011 03:48 MrProphylactic wrote:
To be honest I do not know why or how I became the center of focus. LOL Listen, I have a good idea for you, MrProphylactic. Rather than participating in this team game, which does not seem to really be your cup of tea, why don't you do the opposite: start a new TL Chess Match, featuring you as the master who takes on the team. You could even start it now; no need to wait for this one to be over. I bet a lot of people from this game would sign up to play you too. It is a an Idea. One match at a time is probably enough though . Unless enough players really wanted to get two games going. You can always gauge the numbers here in this thread before starting one of your own. Here, I'll make a poll for you: Poll: If Mr Prof started TL Chess Match 5, would you sign up to play him?Yes, starting any time. (8) 42% No. (5) 26% Maybe once this game is over. (4) 21% Yes, but only once this game is over. (1) 5% Maybe, starting any time. (1) 5% Other. (0) 0% 19 total votes Your vote: If Mr Prof started TL Chess Match 5, would you sign up to play him? (Vote): Yes, but only once this game is over.
(Vote): Yes, starting any time.
(Vote): Maybe once this game is over.
(Vote): Maybe, starting any time.
(Vote): No.
(Vote): Other.
I voted, "Yes, starting anytime".
I voted for "Yes, starting anytime". I think it is kinda slow with the 3days rule. You should start one and have 1day per move, you could have a 7 day backup days also, just in case you don't have access online for a few days.
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8. Nbd2: 20 (qrs, hype[NZ], Picklesickle, itsjustatank, BaronFel, Jumbled, EvilNalu, TNT0677, Babyfactory, mcc, Malinor, Malli, chesshaha, Snarfs, mastergriggy, Sm3agol, enigmaticcam, Raysalis, MrProphylactic, Blazinghand)
8. Qd2: 1 (jdseemoretroll)
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On September 09 2011 05:02 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 03:48 MrProphylactic wrote:On September 09 2011 02:50 Blazinghand wrote:On September 09 2011 02:42 qrs wrote:On September 09 2011 02:17 MrProphylactic wrote:
( It never ceases to amaze me how 1500 level players know everything about chess. ) MrProphylactic, you're missing the point of the game, I think. From what you've said about yourself, you may very well be the strongest individual player here, but this isn't about who is the strongest player; it's about playing the game as a team and having fun discussing it together. When one of us posts analysis, we're not saying, "Look, I know everything about chess." We're saying, "This is how it seems to me; if you disagree, then show me why I'm wrong." The nice thing about chess is that if you know someone is wrong, you very often can show them exactly why, and that happens, and we learn and everyone is happy. Sometimes it's not easy to prove that your assessment of a given position is correct, but even then, discussion usually leads to a better understanding of the pros and cons of a position and why each person thinks what he does about it. I haven't been taking anyone's analysis on faith here, and I don't much care what their rating is. I think that jdseemoreglass has been contributing good analysis, not because he impressed me with his rating but because in many cases, when I followed his lines, I couldn't find anything better, or he showed me why something I thought might work was wrong. In other cases, even after discussion with him, I disagreed with his assessment, and in a case or two, it even seemed to me like he had overlooked something outright, but even if he has made mistakes from time to time (as most of us have), that's nothing to worry about because although I think he's a good analyst, I still check his lines for myself before trusting them. I would do that if he were Kasparov, because otherwise, I'm not playing the game for myself, I'm just voting along with someone else. You've also contributed some good analysis, MrProphylactic, although I've followed less of it because, at first, your posts were hard to read (they've gotten better). I value your input to the game because it's good input. The fact that you're a master is irrelevant to me. TL;DR: it's about playing the game to the best of our ability--each one of us--and having fun, not about winning at all costs. Don't appeal to your authority as a player, convince us of your moves by showing us why they're right. That way everyone enjoys the game, whether we win or not. Big Q hits the nail on the head with this post. I was going to make a similar point and realized that he's got it all covered already. Also, I vote for 8. Nbd4+ Show Spoiler +
We want to interpose, and this develops the knight and also threatens his knight. I think it works fine and it guards our other knight and in general is awesome.
I'd also like to note that, if we castled during any of the moves I said we should castle we'd be fine now.
+ Show Spoiler +That is all I have been focusing on, providing accurate analysis. When someone attacks me as a person however I will respond, at this point, this experience is rather comical for me.
I am beginning to see why having this many players of the current average strength is a handicap in this case. But I will try to steer the natives as best I can . Most of the analysis provided by some here is so flawed(after ng5 made it clear about engines) , I would not now where to begin correcting it, .
But... I will try my best time allowed ( unless I lose interest ) to correct any lines i see that have gross tactical mistakes while putting it in simplelist way possible so people can follow. To be honest I do not know why or how I became the center of focus. Being a run of the mill master is really not that big of deal. It is just Ironic at ICC you see the same thing during tourny broadcasts . 1500 know it alls, gets on my nerves a tad sometimes ,However, I will try my best to ignore the phenomenon from now on EDIT: how can a knight go to D4? that is illegal . Maybe you mean Nbd2 ??? Ah, yes, that's what I meant. Thanks. Also referring to us as "the natives" isn't very respectful, either to us or the people affected by that kind of stereotype. Please do not do so in the future.
OMG you people just do not know when to give it a rest , I am 50 percent Native American myself and a tribal member( I meant native TL members nothing more, you are trying a little to hard I think to see something where it doesn't exist, and since when is being a Native something negative?????As a Native I take insult to THAT . As a matter of fact we prefer being called " Native Americans" as opposed to "Indians". As a result your entire point makes little sense to me as a "Native" ) I have said I would like to drop this entire issue , but several people just keep rubbing salt in the wounds .
Here is an interesting idea , anyone whom wishes to keep me as a conversational focus try real hard to find a new focus besides me, here is another thought, the chess game . If not then you must be bored indeed .
I never asked for a poll. Or any of these absurd topics that keeps this issue growing .
How can I make this anymore clear. You opinions about me matter very little , and are irrelevant to the game. So please just drop it, so we can return to playing chess. I oferred to take this to another site and settle it OTB, as expected the offer was ignored.
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+ Show Spoiler +Is anyone worried about 8... Nxd4 9. Nxd4 Qh4 then if 10. Qe2 Nxd2 11. Bxd2 Qxd4 or 10. O-O Nxd2 etc.? It looks like it strengthens black's position.
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On September 09 2011 05:25 MrProphylactic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 05:02 Blazinghand wrote:On September 09 2011 03:48 MrProphylactic wrote:On September 09 2011 02:50 Blazinghand wrote:On September 09 2011 02:42 qrs wrote:On September 09 2011 02:17 MrProphylactic wrote:
( It never ceases to amaze me how 1500 level players know everything about chess. ) MrProphylactic, you're missing the point of the game, I think. From what you've said about yourself, you may very well be the strongest individual player here, but this isn't about who is the strongest player; it's about playing the game as a team and having fun discussing it together. When one of us posts analysis, we're not saying, "Look, I know everything about chess." We're saying, "This is how it seems to me; if you disagree, then show me why I'm wrong." The nice thing about chess is that if you know someone is wrong, you very often can show them exactly why, and that happens, and we learn and everyone is happy. Sometimes it's not easy to prove that your assessment of a given position is correct, but even then, discussion usually leads to a better understanding of the pros and cons of a position and why each person thinks what he does about it. I haven't been taking anyone's analysis on faith here, and I don't much care what their rating is. I think that jdseemoreglass has been contributing good analysis, not because he impressed me with his rating but because in many cases, when I followed his lines, I couldn't find anything better, or he showed me why something I thought might work was wrong. In other cases, even after discussion with him, I disagreed with his assessment, and in a case or two, it even seemed to me like he had overlooked something outright, but even if he has made mistakes from time to time (as most of us have), that's nothing to worry about because although I think he's a good analyst, I still check his lines for myself before trusting them. I would do that if he were Kasparov, because otherwise, I'm not playing the game for myself, I'm just voting along with someone else. You've also contributed some good analysis, MrProphylactic, although I've followed less of it because, at first, your posts were hard to read (they've gotten better). I value your input to the game because it's good input. The fact that you're a master is irrelevant to me. TL;DR: it's about playing the game to the best of our ability--each one of us--and having fun, not about winning at all costs. Don't appeal to your authority as a player, convince us of your moves by showing us why they're right. That way everyone enjoys the game, whether we win or not. Big Q hits the nail on the head with this post. I was going to make a similar point and realized that he's got it all covered already. Also, I vote for 8. Nbd4+ Show Spoiler +
We want to interpose, and this develops the knight and also threatens his knight. I think it works fine and it guards our other knight and in general is awesome.
I'd also like to note that, if we castled during any of the moves I said we should castle we'd be fine now.
+ Show Spoiler +That is all I have been focusing on, providing accurate analysis. When someone attacks me as a person however I will respond, at this point, this experience is rather comical for me.
I am beginning to see why having this many players of the current average strength is a handicap in this case. But I will try to steer the natives as best I can . Most of the analysis provided by some here is so flawed(after ng5 made it clear about engines) , I would not now where to begin correcting it, .
But... I will try my best time allowed ( unless I lose interest ) to correct any lines i see that have gross tactical mistakes while putting it in simplelist way possible so people can follow. To be honest I do not know why or how I became the center of focus. Being a run of the mill master is really not that big of deal. It is just Ironic at ICC you see the same thing during tourny broadcasts . 1500 know it alls, gets on my nerves a tad sometimes ,However, I will try my best to ignore the phenomenon from now on EDIT: how can a knight go to D4? that is illegal . Maybe you mean Nbd2 ??? Ah, yes, that's what I meant. Thanks. Also referring to us as "the natives" isn't very respectful, either to us or the people affected by that kind of stereotype. Please do not do so in the future. OMG you people just do not know when to give it a rest , I am 50 percent Native American myself and a tribal member( I meant native TL members nothing more, you are trying a little to hard I think to see something where it doesn't exist, and since when is being a Native something negative?????As a Native I take insult to THAT . As a matter of fact we prefer being called " Native Americans" as opposed to "Indians". As a result your entire point makes little sense to me as a "Native" ) I have said I would like to drop this entire issue , but several people just keep rubbing salt in the wounds . Here is an interesting idea , anyone whom wishes to keep me as a conversational focus try real hard to find a new focus besides me, here is another thought, the chess game . If not then you must be bored indeed . I never asked for a poll. Or any of these absurd topics that keeps this issue growing . How can I make this anymore clear. You opinions about me matter very little , and are irrelevant to the game. So please just drop it, so we can return to playing chess. I oferred to take this to another site and settle it OTB, as expected the offer was ignored. Someone needs to give this man the gift of self-awareness. It's beyond me.
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On September 09 2011 05:51 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 05:25 MrProphylactic wrote:On September 09 2011 05:02 Blazinghand wrote:On September 09 2011 03:48 MrProphylactic wrote:On September 09 2011 02:50 Blazinghand wrote:On September 09 2011 02:42 qrs wrote:On September 09 2011 02:17 MrProphylactic wrote:
( It never ceases to amaze me how 1500 level players know everything about chess. ) MrProphylactic, you're missing the point of the game, I think. From what you've said about yourself, you may very well be the strongest individual player here, but this isn't about who is the strongest player; it's about playing the game as a team and having fun discussing it together. When one of us posts analysis, we're not saying, "Look, I know everything about chess." We're saying, "This is how it seems to me; if you disagree, then show me why I'm wrong." The nice thing about chess is that if you know someone is wrong, you very often can show them exactly why, and that happens, and we learn and everyone is happy. Sometimes it's not easy to prove that your assessment of a given position is correct, but even then, discussion usually leads to a better understanding of the pros and cons of a position and why each person thinks what he does about it. I haven't been taking anyone's analysis on faith here, and I don't much care what their rating is. I think that jdseemoreglass has been contributing good analysis, not because he impressed me with his rating but because in many cases, when I followed his lines, I couldn't find anything better, or he showed me why something I thought might work was wrong. In other cases, even after discussion with him, I disagreed with his assessment, and in a case or two, it even seemed to me like he had overlooked something outright, but even if he has made mistakes from time to time (as most of us have), that's nothing to worry about because although I think he's a good analyst, I still check his lines for myself before trusting them. I would do that if he were Kasparov, because otherwise, I'm not playing the game for myself, I'm just voting along with someone else. You've also contributed some good analysis, MrProphylactic, although I've followed less of it because, at first, your posts were hard to read (they've gotten better). I value your input to the game because it's good input. The fact that you're a master is irrelevant to me. TL;DR: it's about playing the game to the best of our ability--each one of us--and having fun, not about winning at all costs. Don't appeal to your authority as a player, convince us of your moves by showing us why they're right. That way everyone enjoys the game, whether we win or not. Big Q hits the nail on the head with this post. I was going to make a similar point and realized that he's got it all covered already. Also, I vote for 8. Nbd4+ Show Spoiler +
We want to interpose, and this develops the knight and also threatens his knight. I think it works fine and it guards our other knight and in general is awesome.
I'd also like to note that, if we castled during any of the moves I said we should castle we'd be fine now.
+ Show Spoiler +That is all I have been focusing on, providing accurate analysis. When someone attacks me as a person however I will respond, at this point, this experience is rather comical for me.
I am beginning to see why having this many players of the current average strength is a handicap in this case. But I will try to steer the natives as best I can . Most of the analysis provided by some here is so flawed(after ng5 made it clear about engines) , I would not now where to begin correcting it, .
But... I will try my best time allowed ( unless I lose interest ) to correct any lines i see that have gross tactical mistakes while putting it in simplelist way possible so people can follow. To be honest I do not know why or how I became the center of focus. Being a run of the mill master is really not that big of deal. It is just Ironic at ICC you see the same thing during tourny broadcasts . 1500 know it alls, gets on my nerves a tad sometimes ,However, I will try my best to ignore the phenomenon from now on EDIT: how can a knight go to D4? that is illegal . Maybe you mean Nbd2 ??? Ah, yes, that's what I meant. Thanks. Also referring to us as "the natives" isn't very respectful, either to us or the people affected by that kind of stereotype. Please do not do so in the future. OMG you people just do not know when to give it a rest , I am 50 percent Native American myself and a tribal member( I meant native TL members nothing more, you are trying a little to hard I think to see something where it doesn't exist, and since when is being a Native something negative?????As a Native I take insult to THAT . As a matter of fact we prefer being called " Native Americans" as opposed to "Indians". As a result your entire point makes little sense to me as a "Native" ) I have said I would like to drop this entire issue , but several people just keep rubbing salt in the wounds . Here is an interesting idea , anyone whom wishes to keep me as a conversational focus try real hard to find a new focus besides me, here is another thought, the chess game . If not then you must be bored indeed . I never asked for a poll. Or any of these absurd topics that keeps this issue growing . How can I make this anymore clear. You opinions about me matter very little , and are irrelevant to the game. So please just drop it, so we can return to playing chess. I oferred to take this to another site and settle it OTB, as expected the offer was ignored. Someone needs to give this man the gift of self-awareness. It's beyond me.
As a result of your posts I Imagine quite a bit is beyond you. Just drop it already .
Am I really that fascinating to hold you're attention for this long ? The hijacking you have managed to induce from chess to me is getting quite boring . May we go back to playing chess now ?
Since your opinion is clearly the one that matters, I thought I would ask you for your permission .
Please find another fixation. Or take your pills, or do whatever it takes .
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On September 09 2011 05:45 mastergriggy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Is anyone worried about 8... Nxd4 9. Nxd4 Qh4 then if 10. Qe2 Nxd2 11. Bxd2 Qxd4 or 10. O-O Nxd2 etc.? It looks like it strengthens black's position. see this post
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On September 09 2011 06:26 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 05:45 mastergriggy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Is anyone worried about 8... Nxd4 9. Nxd4 Qh4 then if 10. Qe2 Nxd2 11. Bxd2 Qxd4 or 10. O-O Nxd2 etc.? It looks like it strengthens black's position. see this post
I posted the defense to nxd4 nxn qh4 already , I will edit them into here .
MrProphylactic September 08 2011 13:07. Posts 234 PM Profile Blog Quote Edit #
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Was looking at Nd2(which is most likely goingt o be my vote) and I got worried all of a sudden about this line . Bb4 nd2 nxd4 nxd4 qh4 .
Edit ; But,now I think I see the defense, someone correct me if I am wrong here, but if he tries this I believe white gets a winning position from this defense. Bb4 nd2 nxd4 nxd4 qh4 0-0 nxd2 nf5!? qg5 and bd3. Winning for white as the knight is trapped . Any one see anything wrong with this ? Can the knight get out, looks trapped to me . Gonna look at it a little longer then vote
P.S. There are some interesting bd2 lines as well .
Then qrs sees qe4 as an alternate that leads to equality but I disagree . The move qe4 also leads to a losing endgame after the moves. bb4 nd2 nxd4 nxd4 qh4 0-0 nxd2 nf5 qe4 nxg7 !
After nxg7 all moves are losing . If king x knight white merely plays qc3 . If rg8 then white has qg5.
Hitting the d8 square . The best line for black to try is probably ....qe4 nxg7+ kf8 qxb qg6 bxd7 kxn qc3 bxb e6+dc qf6 pxb..... edit ( left qxbd2 after kf8 out, put it in the line )
leading to a winning endgame after we trade down queens with a pawn on the 7th rank we have an easy task of overworking blacks rooks . I would rate it as a technical win, although it takes endgame skills to win this, the pawn on d7 will be enough .
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Okay thanks for the clarification. I missed Nf5 which completely shuts it down.
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On September 09 2011 06:33 mastergriggy wrote:
Okay thanks for the clarification. I missed Nf5 which completely shuts it down.
NP glad to help . Yeah, nf5 shuts it down , qrs sees qe4 as = I give the refutation above for qe4 in the last post . It is also losing in a quite a forcing way .
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On September 09 2011 06:27 MrProphylactic wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 09 2011 06:26 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 05:45 mastergriggy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Is anyone worried about 8... Nxd4 9. Nxd4 Qh4 then if 10. Qe2 Nxd2 11. Bxd2 Qxd4 or 10. O-O Nxd2 etc.? It looks like it strengthens black's position. see this post I posted the defense to nxd4 nxn qh4 already , I will edit them into here . MrProphylactic September 08 2011 13:07. Posts 234 PM Profile Blog Quote Edit # - Hide Spoiler - Was looking at Nd2(which is most likely goingt o be my vote) and I got worried all of a sudden about this line . Bb4 nd2 nxd4 nxd4 qh4 . Edit ; But,now I think I see the defense, someone correct me if I am wrong here, but if he tries this I believe white gets a winning position from this defense. Bb4 nd2 nxd4 nxd4 qh4 0-0 nxd2 nf5!? qg5 and bd3. Winning for white as the knight is trapped . Any one see anything wrong with this ? Can the knight get out, looks trapped to me . Gonna look at it a little longer then vote P.S. There are some interesting bd2 lines as well . Then qrs sees qe4 as an alternate that leads to equality but I disagree . The move qe4 also leads to a losing endgame after the moves. bb4 nd2 nxd4 nxd4 qh4 0-0 nxd2 nf5 qe4 nxg7 ! After nxg7 all moves are losing . If king x knight white merely plays qc3 . If rg8 then white has qg5. The best line for black to try is probably ....qe4 nxg7+ qg6 bxd7 kxn qc3 bxb e6+dc qf6 pxb leading to a winning endgame after we tarde down queens with a pawn on the 7th rank
I think you should put this in a spoiler tag :-p
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On September 09 2011 06:27 MrProphylactic wrote:
Then qrs sees qe4 as an alternate that leads to equality. I never said that.
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On September 09 2011 06:47 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 06:27 MrProphylactic wrote:
Then qrs sees qe4 as an alternate that leads to equality. I never said that.
Ok you just said material equality, my bad .
Edit: Qf4 leads to some fantastic winning lines as well. leads to the same nxg7 ideas but in some lines our knight comes to h5 with tempo afterwards.And a few of them are very messy indeed . I may throw a few up for fun . I spent hours on these qf4 lines last night some of them are very long and complicated ( just because these positions were in vogue 40 years ago , I never take for granted improvements are not possible) . kind of want to show them off . lol
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Once a democratic majority is reached for a given move, do we have to wait the entire span of three days? Because we may be getting close to one .
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EPT
