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On September 08 2011 15:36 jdseemoreglass wrote:100% of the vote is going to the same move before we have even discussed or analyzed the differences? It's a shame, because we have a fantastic novelty in this position. I vote for 8. Qd2!+ Show Spoiler +This is clearly the best move in this position. I keep in touch with a lot of Grandmasters and they all say this is the new uber-modern standard at the highest levels of competition. We give up our queen in exchange for black's minor pieces. After the exchange is over, we will have a minor piece majority, which is more powerful than a single queen, especially with our immobile center. Honestly I think it would be a mistake for black to accept this gambit, because the initiative we gain is too dangerous.
I think you're overlooking the fact that + Show Spoiler +Black doesn't have to accept this gambit. He has the dangerous alternative 8...Nxf2!, taking advantage of the temporary pin on our Queen to weaken our Kingside and threaten our Rook. Since the pin prevents 9. Qxf2, we are forced to make the capture with our King, eliminating the possibility of castling. Black follows up with 9... Qh4+; if we capture Queen with Knight, then our King is even more exposed, along the f-file. 10...0-0 and we are left with this position. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/LSe9L.png) White to playBlack's King is snug as a bug in a rug, whereas our King is completely out in the open, unable to castle and undefended. Soon Black will play ...f6 to open the f-file and bring his Rook into the attack. In exchange for all this, we do have a slight material advantage, but can we really keep it and survive long enough for it to tell? I strongly advise against going into this line if we can help it.
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On September 08 2011 15:49 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 15:36 jdseemoreglass wrote:100% of the vote is going to the same move before we have even discussed or analyzed the differences? It's a shame, because we have a fantastic novelty in this position. I vote for 8. Qd2!+ Show Spoiler +This is clearly the best move in this position. I keep in touch with a lot of Grandmasters and they all say this is the new uber-modern standard at the highest levels of competition. We give up our queen in exchange for black's minor pieces. After the exchange is over, we will have a minor piece majority, which is more powerful than a single queen, especially with our immobile center. Honestly I think it would be a mistake for black to accept this gambit, because the initiative we gain is too dangerous.
I think you're overlooking the fact that + Show Spoiler +Black doesn't have to accept this gambit. He has the dangerous alternative 8...Nxf2!, taking advantage of the temporary pin on our Queen to weaken our Kingside and threaten our Rook. Since the pin prevents 9. Qxf2, we are forced to make the capture with our King, eliminating the possibility of castling. Black follows up with 9... Qh4+; if we capture Queen with Knight, then our King is even more exposed, along the f-file. 10...0-0 and we are left with this position. White to playBlack's King is snug as a bug in a rug, whereas our King is completely out in the open, unable to castle and undefended. Soon Black will play ...f6 to open the f-file and bring his Rook into the attack. In exchange for all this, we do have a slight material advantage, but can we really keep it and survive long enough for it to tell? I strongly advise against going into this line if we can help it. Please read my analysis and reconsider your vote.
Wow, that's some excellent analysis qrs. I underestimated your strength as a player.
However, I would argue that you underestimate the strength of the King as an attacking piece in the midgame. The fact that our King is already developed and black's is trapped in the corner with no scope lends me to believe we are actually favored here.
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On September 08 2011 15:52 jdseemoreglass wrote:Wow, that's some excellent analysis qrs. I underestimated your strength as a player. However, I would argue + Show Spoiler +that you underestimate the strength of the King as an attacking piece in the midgame. The fact that our King is already developed and black's is trapped in the corner with no scope lends me to believe we are actually favored here. Hmm, you may have a point. I'll need to do further analysis to decide what I think about this position.
You should spoiler that stuff, though. The best strategy in the world won't help us if Ng5 knows what's coming. + Show Spoiler +Our King is best as a surprise weapon.
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8. Nbd2
+ Show Spoiler +I was considering Kf1 was an option, but after further analyzing Nbd2, I feel this is pretty safe to play. I am 99% sure Nbd2 will get picked as our move, and I feel the best response for black is to castle. We should also castle if he choose to play it this way.
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I wonder if anyone has alternate TL accounts they are using to stuff the ballot box? O.o
That would be a shame, but I guess there would be little way to prove it, except maybe checking IP's.
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On September 09 2011 00:15 jdseemoreglass wrote:
I wonder if anyone has alternate TL accounts they are using to stuff the ballot box? O.o Personally I doubt it, although as you say it would be hard to tell.
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8. Nbd2: 14 (qrs, hype[NZ], Picklesickle, itsjustatank, BaronFel, Jumbled, EvilNalu, TNT0677, Babyfactory, mcc, Malinor, Malli, chesshaha, Snarfs)
8. Qd2: 1 (jdseemoretroll)
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On September 09 2011 00:24 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 00:15 jdseemoreglass wrote:
I wonder if anyone has alternate TL accounts they are using to stuff the ballot box? O.o Personally I doubt it, although as you say it would be hard to tell. Votes 8. Nbd2: 14 (qrs, hype[NZ], Picklesickle, itsjustatank, BaronFel, Jumbled, EvilNalu, TNT0677, Babyfactory, mcc, Malinor, Malli, chesshaha, Snarfs) 8. Qd2: 1 (jdseemoretroll)
lol I laughed for like 5 minutes when I saw this. You almost made me choke on my mini-wheats. 
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On September 08 2011 15:36 jdseemoreglass wrote:100% of the vote is going to the same move before we have even discussed or analyzed the differences? It's a shame, because we have a fantastic novelty in this position. I vote for 8. Qd2!+ Show Spoiler +This is clearly the best move in this position. I keep in touch with a lot of Grandmasters and they all say this is the new uber-modern standard at the highest levels of competition. We give up our queen in exchange for black's minor pieces. After the exchange is over, we will have a minor piece majority, which is more powerful than a single queen, especially with our immobile center. Honestly I think it would be a mistake for black to accept this gambit, because the initiative we gain is too dangerous.
+ Show Spoiler +What the hell are you smoking this move loses instantly, I surely hope this is your idea of a joke ,
A queen for 2 minors is a horrible trade(unless we had some sort of tactical compensation,which we do not) . A queen is worth 9 points a minor piece 3 points . It takes three minor pieces to equal a queen or at least two minors and two pawns to get general compensation .
There is no way a Gm would EVER make this move . Please no one vote this , unless you want the game to be over in about ten moves . I would rate this position down at least six pawns worth for white . Meaning insantly and beyond recoverability..... losing . There is absolutrely no reason to sacrifice such a great deal of material so soon for absolutely zero compensation .
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On September 09 2011 01:16 MrProphylactic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 15:36 jdseemoreglass wrote:100% of the vote is going to the same move before we have even discussed or analyzed the differences? It's a shame, because we have a fantastic novelty in this position. I vote for 8. Qd2!+ Show Spoiler +This is clearly the best move in this position. I keep in touch with a lot of Grandmasters and they all say this is the new uber-modern standard at the highest levels of competition. We give up our queen in exchange for black's minor pieces. After the exchange is over, we will have a minor piece majority, which is more powerful than a single queen, especially with our immobile center. Honestly I think it would be a mistake for black to accept this gambit, because the initiative we gain is too dangerous.
+ Show Spoiler +What the hell are you smoking this move loses instantly, a queen for 2 minors is a horrible trade(unless we had some sort of tactical compensation,which we do not) . A queen is worth 9 points a minor piece 3 points . It takes three minor pieces to equal a queen or at least two minors and two pawns to get general compensation pawn . I challenge you to show me one game where this move is played , show me one . Please no one vote this , unless you want the game to be over in about ten moves . I would rate this position down at least six pawns worth for white . Meaning insantly and beyond recoverability..... losing . There is absolutrely no reason to sacrifice such a great deal of material so soon .
I think you might have missed the cute little image below his suggestion.
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8.Nbd2
+ Show Spoiler +I mean it's either that or Bd2, but I'd prefer to keep my Bishop on the board as the position is open.
Edit: Qrs, you're analysis is perfect. I just got to throw that out there haha
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Nbd2.
+ Show Spoiler +Really the only known solid answer. If this was a timed game, or vs someone without 3 days to study it and make a move, then I would consider other lulzy shenanigans, but in a correspondence game like this.......go for the fairly well known until it starts getting really muddy. He's not going to make a bad snap decision.
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On September 09 2011 01:25 Sm3agol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 01:16 MrProphylactic wrote:On September 08 2011 15:36 jdseemoreglass wrote:100% of the vote is going to the same move before we have even discussed or analyzed the differences? It's a shame, because we have a fantastic novelty in this position. I vote for 8. Qd2!+ Show Spoiler +This is clearly the best move in this position. I keep in touch with a lot of Grandmasters and they all say this is the new uber-modern standard at the highest levels of competition. We give up our queen in exchange for black's minor pieces. After the exchange is over, we will have a minor piece majority, which is more powerful than a single queen, especially with our immobile center. Honestly I think it would be a mistake for black to accept this gambit, because the initiative we gain is too dangerous.
+ Show Spoiler +What the hell are you smoking this move loses instantly, a queen for 2 minors is a horrible trade(unless we had some sort of tactical compensation,which we do not) . A queen is worth 9 points a minor piece 3 points . It takes three minor pieces to equal a queen or at least two minors and two pawns to get general compensation pawn . I challenge you to show me one game where this move is played , show me one . Please no one vote this , unless you want the game to be over in about ten moves . I would rate this position down at least six pawns worth for white . Meaning insantly and beyond recoverability..... losing . There is absolutrely no reason to sacrifice such a great deal of material so soon . I think you might have missed the cute little image below his suggestion.
I was hoping it was a joke .Although after reading some prior analysis it really would not shock me that much if it wasn't .... not funny
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On September 09 2011 01:16 MrProphylactic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 15:36 jdseemoreglass wrote:100% of the vote is going to the same move before we have even discussed or analyzed the differences? It's a shame, because we have a fantastic novelty in this position. I vote for 8. Qd2!+ Show Spoiler +This is clearly the best move in this position. I keep in touch with a lot of Grandmasters and they all say this is the new uber-modern standard at the highest levels of competition. We give up our queen in exchange for black's minor pieces. After the exchange is over, we will have a minor piece majority, which is more powerful than a single queen, especially with our immobile center. Honestly I think it would be a mistake for black to accept this gambit, because the initiative we gain is too dangerous.
+ Show Spoiler +What the hell are you smoking this move loses instantly, I surely hope this is your idea of a joke ,
A queen for 2 minors is a horrible trade(unless we had some sort of tactical compensation,which we do not) . A queen is worth 9 points a minor piece 3 points . It takes three minor pieces to equal a queen or at least two minors and two pawns to get general compensation .
There is no way a Gm would EVER make this move . Please no one vote this , unless you want the game to be over in about ten moves . I would rate this position down at least six pawns worth for white . Meaning insantly and beyond recoverability..... losing . There is absolutrely no reason to sacrifice such a great deal of material so soon for absolutely zero compensation .
LOL!
omg, this just keeps getting better, I'm laughing hysterically. I never realized my post would have made my whole day. I've honestly gotta start trolling more often.
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On September 09 2011 01:31 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 01:16 MrProphylactic wrote:On September 08 2011 15:36 jdseemoreglass wrote:100% of the vote is going to the same move before we have even discussed or analyzed the differences? It's a shame, because we have a fantastic novelty in this position. I vote for 8. Qd2!+ Show Spoiler +This is clearly the best move in this position. I keep in touch with a lot of Grandmasters and they all say this is the new uber-modern standard at the highest levels of competition. We give up our queen in exchange for black's minor pieces. After the exchange is over, we will have a minor piece majority, which is more powerful than a single queen, especially with our immobile center. Honestly I think it would be a mistake for black to accept this gambit, because the initiative we gain is too dangerous.
+ Show Spoiler +What the hell are you smoking this move loses instantly, I surely hope this is your idea of a joke ,
A queen for 2 minors is a horrible trade(unless we had some sort of tactical compensation,which we do not) . A queen is worth 9 points a minor piece 3 points . It takes three minor pieces to equal a queen or at least two minors and two pawns to get general compensation .
There is no way a Gm would EVER make this move . Please no one vote this , unless you want the game to be over in about ten moves . I would rate this position down at least six pawns worth for white . Meaning insantly and beyond recoverability..... losing . There is absolutrely no reason to sacrifice such a great deal of material so soon for absolutely zero compensation . LOL! omg, this just keeps getting better, I'm laughing hysterically. I never realized my post would have made my whole day. I've honestly gotta start trolling more often.
Lol , after seeing what youv'e had to say about chess, and prior analysis, this being your actual thoughts on the position would not be shocking to me at all . But I am glad your not that weak , once you turn your engines off
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On September 09 2011 01:38 MrProphylactic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 01:31 jdseemoreglass wrote:On September 09 2011 01:16 MrProphylactic wrote:On September 08 2011 15:36 jdseemoreglass wrote:100% of the vote is going to the same move before we have even discussed or analyzed the differences? It's a shame, because we have a fantastic novelty in this position. I vote for 8. Qd2!+ Show Spoiler +This is clearly the best move in this position. I keep in touch with a lot of Grandmasters and they all say this is the new uber-modern standard at the highest levels of competition. We give up our queen in exchange for black's minor pieces. After the exchange is over, we will have a minor piece majority, which is more powerful than a single queen, especially with our immobile center. Honestly I think it would be a mistake for black to accept this gambit, because the initiative we gain is too dangerous.
+ Show Spoiler +What the hell are you smoking this move loses instantly, I surely hope this is your idea of a joke ,
A queen for 2 minors is a horrible trade(unless we had some sort of tactical compensation,which we do not) . A queen is worth 9 points a minor piece 3 points . It takes three minor pieces to equal a queen or at least two minors and two pawns to get general compensation .
There is no way a Gm would EVER make this move . Please no one vote this , unless you want the game to be over in about ten moves . I would rate this position down at least six pawns worth for white . Meaning insantly and beyond recoverability..... losing . There is absolutrely no reason to sacrifice such a great deal of material so soon for absolutely zero compensation . LOL! omg, this just keeps getting better, I'm laughing hysterically. I never realized my post would have made my whole day. I've honestly gotta start trolling more often. Lol , after seeing what youv'e had to say about chess, and prior analysis, this being your actual thoughts on the position would not be shocking to me at all . But I am glad your not that weak , once you turn your engines off
lol it was pretty obvious he was joking....
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On September 08 2011 13:29 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 13:07 MrProphylactic wrote: + Show Spoiler + Was looking at Nd2(which is most likely goingt o be my vote) and I got worried all of a sudden about this line . Bb4 nd2 nxd4 nxd4 qh4 .
Edit ; But,now I think I see the defense, someone correct me if I am wrong here, but if he tries this I believe white gets a winning position from this defense. Bb4 nd2 nxd4 nxd4 qh4 0-0 nxd2 nf5!? qg5 and bd3. Winning for white as the knight is trapped . Any one see anything wrong with this ? Can the knight get out, looks trapped to me . Gonna look at it a little longer then vote
P.S. There are some interesting bd2 lines as well . Well, it looks to me that Black stays even on material if he plays + Show Spoiler +...Qe4 instead of ...Qg5 in your line but the position still looks better for us there.
+ Show Spoiler + In your abohve post you mention qe4 a leading to equality I must disagree .
If he playes qe4 after nf5 we play ng7 check .. I guess I should put every line ( which also looks winning ) Something like this . BB4 nd2 nxd4 nxd4 qh4 0-0 nxn nf5 qe4 nxg7+ kf8 bxd2 .. After bxd2 if black tries king x knight on g7 , he finds himself in the most unpleasant position after qc3 setting up discovered attacks and 7th rank pressure . If something like rg8 we have qg5 . If black tries qg6 the following line emergers . Qg6 bxd7! qxn qc3 bxb e6 +dc qf6 exd7 . We following up by trading queens and have a winning endgame with a pawn on d7 . This line may be LESS losing than the other one though for black . But far from equal, in fact losing in everyline I look at .
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On September 09 2011 01:38 MrProphylactic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 01:31 jdseemoreglass wrote:On September 09 2011 01:16 MrProphylactic wrote:On September 08 2011 15:36 jdseemoreglass wrote:100% of the vote is going to the same move before we have even discussed or analyzed the differences? It's a shame, because we have a fantastic novelty in this position. I vote for 8. Qd2!+ Show Spoiler +This is clearly the best move in this position. I keep in touch with a lot of Grandmasters and they all say this is the new uber-modern standard at the highest levels of competition. We give up our queen in exchange for black's minor pieces. After the exchange is over, we will have a minor piece majority, which is more powerful than a single queen, especially with our immobile center. Honestly I think it would be a mistake for black to accept this gambit, because the initiative we gain is too dangerous.
+ Show Spoiler +What the hell are you smoking this move loses instantly, I surely hope this is your idea of a joke ,
A queen for 2 minors is a horrible trade(unless we had some sort of tactical compensation,which we do not) . A queen is worth 9 points a minor piece 3 points . It takes three minor pieces to equal a queen or at least two minors and two pawns to get general compensation .
There is no way a Gm would EVER make this move . Please no one vote this , unless you want the game to be over in about ten moves . I would rate this position down at least six pawns worth for white . Meaning insantly and beyond recoverability..... losing . There is absolutrely no reason to sacrifice such a great deal of material so soon for absolutely zero compensation . LOL! omg, this just keeps getting better, I'm laughing hysterically. I never realized my post would have made my whole day. I've honestly gotta start trolling more often. Lol , after seeing what youv'e had to say about chess, and prior analysis, this being your actual thoughts on the position would not be shocking to me at all . But I am glad your not that weak , once you turn your engines off
I don't need an engine to tell me that a master wouldn't really favor Qe2. Also, my analysis is weak but you accuse me of using an engine? Isn't that contradictory?
Anyway, you shouldn't take things so seriously. Lighten up a little please.
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