Street Fighter 3: Third Strike - Online (xbox) - Page 3

On July 12 2011 18:21 Zlasher wrote:
Are you saying the cast on 3rd strike is more balanced than SF4? Lol.

Even AE, which clearly has a best character, wouldn't be more balanced, consdiering the rest of the ~40 characters are very close.

3rd strike is Yun Chun and Ken. Urien has his place somewhat but everyone else blows.

On July 12 2011 21:56 Wangsta wrote:
3s is a really well balanced game. the only truly gimped character is sean, and even that character has tools to win. so many people say all this BS about how easy chun/ken/etc. are but honestly you all don't realize how hard it is to play those characters at a level that makes them good. you are better off playing ryu, alex, akuma, or some other character that has strong basic combos and sane execution requirements

the hitconfirms, setups and options selects that people do in 3s are no joke. they take serious practice to get consistent in matches (unlike ssf4 where you can see a combo and probably learn it in 5 minutes). if you take out the high level stuff, then chun/ken/yun/etc. are mid tier at best (maybe even low tier)

On July 12 2011 22:15 jongzor wrote:


Pretty sure Yang, Makoto, and dudley are "better" than urien. The engine for 3s is completely different from sf4 because of the parry system. It allows "low tier" characters to dominate better characters.


actually, after re-reading what you just said, I'm pretty sure you havent played much 3s, huh?

On July 12 2011 23:19 myrmidon2537 wrote:
I'm going to have to agree that while Yun/Chun/Ken dominate, 3s is way more balanced than AE. for the reasons already explained.

And while Urien is hella fun to use, I'd pick Makoto over Urien any day. If I recall correctly, teams with Makoto in SBO tend to be the ones people watch out for since a few smart guesses for her gives her the win. (Although she's pretty momentum based)

On July 12 2011 18:21 Zlasher wrote:
Are you saying the cast on 3rd strike is more balanced than SF4? Lol.

Even AE, which clearly has a best character, wouldn't be more balanced, consdiering the rest of the ~40 characters are very close.

3rd strike is Yun Chun and Ken. Urien has his place somewhat but everyone else blows.

On July 12 2011 23:53 hotbreakfest wrote:

No, 3S isn't more balanced than AE. Parries don't help with the balance at all. If anything parries just remove long range zoning and promote a dumb guessing game. An 8:2 matchup in 3S is no different than an 8:2 matchup in any other game. I don't see any mvc2 or cvs2 players making ridiculous claims about their games being balanced...

On July 12 2011 23:06 hotbreakfest wrote:



Lol... This is why the OGs don't take you guys seriously...

On July 13 2011 04:37 Wangsta wrote:


you have no idea what you are talking about. have you ever played 3s against good competition? do you even know why those characters are top tier? you really don't see many chuns/yun/etc on GGPO or any good arcade, and theres a reason

if you look at a god tier like chun, she has one of the best antiairs in the game with back fierce -> legs (if parried). but you wont be able to do it because its not easy. she also has a strong mixup game by switching between stuff like meaty high or low SA2 hitconfirms, and stuff like her SGGK option select, which is parry -> karathrow -> hitconfirm SA2 off cl.hk (if you parry). again, you won't be able to do them so it won't matter. she also has zoning tools like dash -> legs, which you won't be consistent with so it's too risky for you to use.

On July 13 2011 02:18 myrmidon2537 wrote:
Claiming "balanced" is different than "more balanced". Yes its true parries remove long range zoning, but you can't really talk about "promoting a dumb guessing game" with parries and then completely over look SFIV's option-selects.

The presence of dominating characters does not mean a game is poorly balanced. Do I think AE is decently balanced? Yes. I think the same for 3s. Its just that I think 3s is more balanced than AE. I don't like how parries removes long-range zoning though, hell, I could go one further since parries makes the traditional anti-air quite risky. but to say it doesn't help balance "at all" is an opinion at best.

On July 13 2011 08:08 Trumpet wrote:
Hotbreakfast, I too go in threads about a game I don't like just to shit on it.

On the balance thing though, 3s is odd. The better players can overcome bad matchups against worse players a lot more easily than in other games. Low tier teams have even been blowing it up at SBO forever.

On July 13 2011 08:23 FACENC wrote:
lol wow, even TL isn't exempt from random 3s hatred.

Newsflash: Viscant fucking sucks at 3s and doesn't know what hes talking about. Citing Viscant in a 3s argument is the Street Fighter equivalent of Godwin's Law. It pretty much immediately disqualifies your opinion.

Is 3s perfectly balanced? No. Is it a fun game? Yes.

3S4LIFE!!

On July 13 2011 08:32 hotbreakfest wrote:

I have yet to see anybody discredit Viscant's claims on parries. People just roll the blinders over their eyes, cover their ears, and scream "NOOO!!". What kind of depth and mind games do parries add towards the game? Especially since I'm sooo damn ignorant.

On July 13 2011 08:33 Trumpet wrote:
Yo, a team of Urien, Yang, and Necro got 2nd at SBO. They didn't win, but 2nd for a team with none of the top seems pretty solid in the biggest tournament of the world. And Kuroda has won with Akuma.

One random guy starts saying he thinks 3s is incredibly well balanced in this thread. You take that chance to make personal attacks and try to start a flame war. Just stop, please =/

Viscant's whole article was about how the fireball is what made SF games good via long range zoning. If it's really that simple, then every ST matchup between non fireball characters is just as bad.

Viscant is an incredibly smart player, but don't take some SRK posts he made years ago and try to launch some crusade against 3s off of it. Viscant also used to say that Dreamcast Marvel 2 was a waste of time and that if it wasn't on arcade evo shouldn't even have it.

Edit: and the parry forces you to react to the other player 100% of the time. This is why people like it. You can't just do the same basic blockstrings and mixups repeatedly because they get shut down once figured out. It prevents things like Sagat vs Zangeif from happening, where no matter how good a geif player is, a mediocre sagat will almost always win.

On July 13 2011 08:40 FACENC wrote:


Acting as if Viscant knows about high-level 3s gameplay is like saying John Madden really understands basketball. 3s plays almost NOTHING like a traditional Street Fighter game. It is more comparable to a 2d Tekken or Virtual Fighter title than an SF game. Viscant played 3s at a fairly low level 9+ years ago and decided he didn't like the game mechanic.

Do parries reduce the number of tradition 2d character archetypes? Absolutely. But the obviously introduce others in their stead. Zoning absolutely exists in 3s, ask any Gouki player. Fireballs still have great utility as mid-range poking tools (especially EX-hadou).