Ultra Street Fighter IV - Page 51

On July 08 2011 02:42 Raekhor wrote:
I was thinking about getting a Datel Arcade Pro (I can buy it in a local store). It's cheap and if I want to, I can always mod it with the high quality parts.

Quality should be the same as those expensive TE sticks or am I wrong?

On July 08 2011 02:40 mucker wrote:
Second day of playing was much better. I think the first day was a lot like ladder reset day on iccup, all the skill levels were mixed together in D, resulting in much beatdownage for noobs like me. Brought my average up from 8% to 33%, matches were a lot closer and more enjoyable overall. I wish there was a way to ask for immediate rematches, there were a few close losses that I would have loved to try again right away. Moved up to D+ and got my first ever AAA, fun to have a feeling of progress quickly in a game after so many years of starcraft grinding.

Noob question, as Honda what is the best thing to do after knocking someone down? I'm scared of wakeup attacks but I hate to back off and give space.

On July 08 2011 03:00 Excalibur_Z wrote:


Vary up your pressure and test the reaction times and practices of your opponent. If he blocks a lot on wakeup and is scared, use a meaty crouching LK or c.lp (meaning press c.lk or c.lp early such that the active, damaging frames land on him as he regains control of his character) into jab xx hundred hands for good chip damage or a command throw. If he jumps away, use a meaty c.lk or jab into hundred hands and standing roundhouse for good damage (the meaty will land during his pre-jump frames and he'll eat the full combo). If your meaty is too early or too late and he leaves the ground, use either a standing fierce to antiair a neutral jump or dash/walk forward to push him toward the corner. If he backdashes often on wakeup, use a meaty c.lk/jab followed by a standing roundhouse to punish the backdash. If he uses a reversal special move on wakeup (usually an invincible one) then you can either do a crossup light (or was it medium?) buttsplash which will either hit most early dragon punches on the other side or cause them to whiff, or just block and punish with a combo. If you're fighting against a character like Zangief, neutral jump fierce is really good to use on his wakeup and in general, because it's steerable in the air and will stuff antiair lariat for big damage (it should beat or trade with T.Hawk's dp too).

On July 08 2011 03:04 Looky wrote:
so frustrated. cant win a single match. im so noob

On July 08 2011 03:13 DrBoo wrote:


Yeah I played a bunch yesterday got bout 50 matchs in on ranked went 5-45 with Oni lol learning new characters is a pain :p

On July 08 2011 03:18 Mannerheim wrote:


Oni is a below average tier character, that probably doesn't help either.

On July 08 2011 03:00 Excalibur_Z wrote:


Vary up your pressure and test the reaction times and practices of your opponent. If he blocks a lot on wakeup and is scared, use a meaty crouching LK or c.lp (meaning press c.lk or c.lp early such that the active, damaging frames land on him as he regains control of his character) into jab xx hundred hands for good chip damage or a command throw. If he jumps away, use a meaty c.lk or jab into hundred hands and standing roundhouse for good damage (the meaty will land during his pre-jump frames and he'll eat the full combo). If your meaty is too early or too late and he leaves the ground, use either a standing fierce to antiair a neutral jump or dash/walk forward to push him toward the corner. If he backdashes often on wakeup, use a meaty c.lk/jab followed by a standing roundhouse to punish the backdash. If he uses a reversal special move on wakeup (usually an invincible one) then you can either do a crossup light (or was it medium?) buttsplash which will either hit most early dragon punches on the other side or cause them to whiff, or just block and punish with a combo. If you're fighting against a character like Zangief, neutral jump fierce is really good to use on his wakeup and in general, because it's steerable in the air and will stuff antiair lariat for big damage (it should beat or trade with T.Hawk's dp too).

On July 08 2011 03:21 DrBoo wrote:


Yes commenting about tiers of characters when a characters been out for only a few months and hardly anyone uses him... clearly its very accurate lol

On July 08 2011 03:31 Mannerheim wrote:


Umm no that's pretty much the consensus among the "veterans" already.

Things wrong with him:
- Can't FADC DP on block (a massive downside)
- Bad range on normals (except c.mk, which is unsafe)
- Low health
- Fireball is -4 frames on hit (ridiculous)
- Probably other as well, just can't remember

On July 08 2011 03:31 Mannerheim wrote:


Umm no that's pretty much the consensus among the "veterans" already.

Things wrong with him:
- Can't FADC DP on block (a massive downside)
- Bad range on normals (except c.mk, which is unsafe)
- Low health
- Fireball is -4 frames on hit (ridiculous)
- Probably other as well, just can't remember

On July 08 2011 03:38 DrBoo wrote:


Like I've already said the characters been out for a couple of months you can't expect to find out everything about a character in a couple months its like people complaining about balance in a game when its still super new its just ridiculous.
I think you can really call any character definitively "low tier" or "high tier" atm some characters atm might feel super strong or super weak but overall its just subjective opinions with minimal knowledge. Give it like a year and then we'll see.

On July 08 2011 03:39 101toss wrote:

His slash is easy to react to/punish
Less damage output/combos/options than akuma
Generally poor recovery in general

He's got some good things though, like how his ultra can be used as reliable AA

On July 08 2011 03:40 DrBoo wrote:


If he had everything "good" then wouldn't that make him a boss character and be stupidly overpowered then like super turbo akuma

On July 08 2011 03:45 101toss wrote:

Funny thing is, he really is THE final [hidden] boss in the game. Too bad I find him weaker than the seth AI, given that the Seth AI can especially react in ways people cannot, and has a health handicap that boosts his stamina to normal.

If seth had the standard 1000hp I would call that overpowered

On July 08 2011 03:47 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Oni doesn't suck at all, I don't know what you guys are talking about. His normals are super good and his fireball isn't intended to win any fireball wars, it's just there for basic zoning. Non-FADCable DP isn't that bad, it just makes using it a risk if you're using it outside of a combo or in a neutral situation, which it should be anyway. It's way too early to call him low tier, even among tournament-level players. Eita's Oni is a good example of what that character is capable of, here's Eita vs Mago (Yang):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwENfUrih0Q

Personally I find Zangief vs Oni to be an incredibly difficult matchup because f+hp has insane range and pushback while his antiairs are also really good. I need to see his framedata to figure out optimal punishes but I can't punish that f+hp even with s.lk.