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When did he main Honda? He played Sagat in Vanilla and then switched to fei.
Also I completely disagree that the tier list matters at the bottom, and doesn't matter at the top, to me that is the complete opposite.
For people who suck at the game, it doesn't mtater what they do because there are always improvements in their PLAY that they can make regardless of the character
Its the same in Starcraft 2 where a Bronze leaguer shouldn't worry about the fucking balance of the game when they can't even macro properly. Worry about macro then you can start worrying about unit comp and then balance of units.
In SF, work on your links and BnB's, tech'ing, footsies, etc. Then you can start worrying about the matchups of characters.
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On July 07 2011 13:22 dangots0ul wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2011 13:11 Zlasher wrote:
That tier list came out a while ago though, even since then its changed I mean Oni isn't even on there, and Ibuki and Honda definitely aren't B tier.
Just pick a character you like or wiht a moveset and options that you like and level up your game before wrorying about tiers. You have to realize their lists in SSF4 is like one from MVC2. Top low tier users have taken games off top high tier users while in MVC2 the difference between A and S is HUGE. If we scaled SSF4 with MVC2 tier scaling I doubt anyone would be lower than B (maybe Hakan cause he suuuuckkkkkzzzz)
Hakan is pretty good actually =/ I play against Kimo who is a local Hakan player (he was on stream at NCR and got bodied by Infiltration haha) and he's pretty scary with solid mixups and good footsies (haha Hakan footsies). His ability to level 1 focus anything into a combo and dash normal cancel is pretty scary. That's not to say he's a high-tier character but he has some solid gameplay behind him.
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On July 07 2011 14:09 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2011 13:22 dangots0ul wrote:On July 07 2011 13:11 Zlasher wrote:
That tier list came out a while ago though, even since then its changed I mean Oni isn't even on there, and Ibuki and Honda definitely aren't B tier.
Just pick a character you like or wiht a moveset and options that you like and level up your game before wrorying about tiers. You have to realize their lists in SSF4 is like one from MVC2. Top low tier users have taken games off top high tier users while in MVC2 the difference between A and S is HUGE. If we scaled SSF4 with MVC2 tier scaling I doubt anyone would be lower than B (maybe Hakan cause he suuuuckkkkkzzzz) Hakan is pretty good actually =/ I play against Kimo who is a local Hakan player (he was on stream at NCR and got bodied by Infiltration haha) and he's pretty scary with solid mixups and good footsies (haha Hakan footsies). His ability to level 1 focus anything into a combo and dash normal cancel is pretty scary. That's not to say he's a high-tier character but he has some solid gameplay behind him.
OMG HE'S OP LIKE SENTINEL CUZ HIS NORMALS CHIP
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On July 07 2011 14:29 101toss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2011 14:09 Excalibur_Z wrote:On July 07 2011 13:22 dangots0ul wrote:On July 07 2011 13:11 Zlasher wrote:
That tier list came out a while ago though, even since then its changed I mean Oni isn't even on there, and Ibuki and Honda definitely aren't B tier.
Just pick a character you like or wiht a moveset and options that you like and level up your game before wrorying about tiers. You have to realize their lists in SSF4 is like one from MVC2. Top low tier users have taken games off top high tier users while in MVC2 the difference between A and S is HUGE. If we scaled SSF4 with MVC2 tier scaling I doubt anyone would be lower than B (maybe Hakan cause he suuuuckkkkkzzzz) Hakan is pretty good actually =/ I play against Kimo who is a local Hakan player (he was on stream at NCR and got bodied by Infiltration haha) and he's pretty scary with solid mixups and good footsies (haha Hakan footsies). His ability to level 1 focus anything into a combo and dash normal cancel is pretty scary. That's not to say he's a high-tier character but he has some solid gameplay behind him. OMG HE'S OP LIKE SENTINEL CUZ HIS NORMALS CHIP
What??? I should warn you for that comment.
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Hey, here's a SSF IV nub question. So I'm getting the Hori EX2 because the xbox pad is just awfull and I don't wanna spend 150 for a TE as I'm not going to play it to seriously. The thing is though, the stick layout has 6 buttons next to the stick and the LB and LT are only small buttons placed on the top, so that they are pretty much not useful during a game.
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In some forums I read about people configuring the buttons to:
[L]Punch - [H]Punch - [All]Punch
[L]Kick - [H]Kick - [All]Kick
Wouldn't that mean I can't use focus anymore? Any suggestions or experience with this stick? Help is much appreciated.
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Don't do that. Just do
Jab Strong Fierce
Short Forward Roundhouse
Or as some would know it as:
LP MP HP
LK MK HK
want to throw or focus? hit the two buttons like a normal human being
Want to do 3 punches or 3 kicks? Just hit 3 of them.
You only need 6 buttons, the extra 2 buttons on TE's aren't necessarily meant to be used, its just so you can have the 6 left buttons as japanese layout and 3 right buttons as american layout.
Edit: So anyone can tell me when Mago mained Honda yet? Because I don't think I've ever heard of such a thing.
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Thanks for the answer. I don't have the stick at home yet, so I wasn't able to try how pressing multiple buttons at once "like a normal human being" works 
I'm just used to the all button thing from the pad as it's a pain to hit all 3 on the pad layout, but I guess I won't need the lazy button on the stick then.
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its so slow multiplayer? is this normal even when we both have A computers?
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Someone in the last page of this thread said Mago played Honda, and I'm 99% sure they're full of shit. Mago has played Fei Long since Super, with a pocket Sagat (his Vanilla character) and Yang. From what I know he has never touched honda and it makes zero sense for him to play Honda as well....
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Mago played C-Honda/Sagat/Blanka (won SBO with that team actually) in CvS2, but never mained Honda in SFIV.
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On July 07 2011 15:18 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2011 14:29 101toss wrote:On July 07 2011 14:09 Excalibur_Z wrote:On July 07 2011 13:22 dangots0ul wrote:On July 07 2011 13:11 Zlasher wrote:
That tier list came out a while ago though, even since then its changed I mean Oni isn't even on there, and Ibuki and Honda definitely aren't B tier.
Just pick a character you like or wiht a moveset and options that you like and level up your game before wrorying about tiers. You have to realize their lists in SSF4 is like one from MVC2. Top low tier users have taken games off top high tier users while in MVC2 the difference between A and S is HUGE. If we scaled SSF4 with MVC2 tier scaling I doubt anyone would be lower than B (maybe Hakan cause he suuuuckkkkkzzzz) Hakan is pretty good actually =/ I play against Kimo who is a local Hakan player (he was on stream at NCR and got bodied by Infiltration haha) and he's pretty scary with solid mixups and good footsies (haha Hakan footsies). His ability to level 1 focus anything into a combo and dash normal cancel is pretty scary. That's not to say he's a high-tier character but he has some solid gameplay behind him. OMG HE'S OP LIKE SENTINEL CUZ HIS NORMALS CHIP What??? I should warn you for that comment.
I'm pretty sure his heavy normals do chip damage? (don't quote me on that)
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On July 06 2011 21:49 Tilorn wrote:
I can't do almost any of the moves that require an analog stick, or maybe it's just me being super bad.
There is no such thing as a move that require an analog stick, some people prefer using an arcade stick (which is basicly on/off switches, not analog), some people prefer to use pad, some prefer keyboard, or a controller that is basicly a keyboard (hitbox).
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Any word of the almighty J switching over to AE yet? Would love to see his Makoto terrorize the shit out of people again. Also very curious for Shiro's Makoto :D
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On July 07 2011 19:25 FACENC wrote:
Mago played C-Honda/Sagat/Blanka (won SBO with that team actually) in CvS2, but never mained Honda in SFIV.
Opps, you're right
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On July 07 2011 20:42 101toss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2011 15:18 Excalibur_Z wrote:On July 07 2011 14:29 101toss wrote:On July 07 2011 14:09 Excalibur_Z wrote:On July 07 2011 13:22 dangots0ul wrote:On July 07 2011 13:11 Zlasher wrote:
That tier list came out a while ago though, even since then its changed I mean Oni isn't even on there, and Ibuki and Honda definitely aren't B tier.
Just pick a character you like or wiht a moveset and options that you like and level up your game before wrorying about tiers. You have to realize their lists in SSF4 is like one from MVC2. Top low tier users have taken games off top high tier users while in MVC2 the difference between A and S is HUGE. If we scaled SSF4 with MVC2 tier scaling I doubt anyone would be lower than B (maybe Hakan cause he suuuuckkkkkzzzz) Hakan is pretty good actually =/ I play against Kimo who is a local Hakan player (he was on stream at NCR and got bodied by Infiltration haha) and he's pretty scary with solid mixups and good footsies (haha Hakan footsies). His ability to level 1 focus anything into a combo and dash normal cancel is pretty scary. That's not to say he's a high-tier character but he has some solid gameplay behind him. OMG HE'S OP LIKE SENTINEL CUZ HIS NORMALS CHIP What??? I should warn you for that comment. I'm pretty sure his heavy normals do chip damage? (don't quote me on that)
Quoting. And no, they don't do chip damage haha.
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On July 08 2011 00:24 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2011 20:42 101toss wrote:On July 07 2011 15:18 Excalibur_Z wrote:On July 07 2011 14:29 101toss wrote:On July 07 2011 14:09 Excalibur_Z wrote:On July 07 2011 13:22 dangots0ul wrote:On July 07 2011 13:11 Zlasher wrote:
That tier list came out a while ago though, even since then its changed I mean Oni isn't even on there, and Ibuki and Honda definitely aren't B tier.
Just pick a character you like or wiht a moveset and options that you like and level up your game before wrorying about tiers. You have to realize their lists in SSF4 is like one from MVC2. Top low tier users have taken games off top high tier users while in MVC2 the difference between A and S is HUGE. If we scaled SSF4 with MVC2 tier scaling I doubt anyone would be lower than B (maybe Hakan cause he suuuuckkkkkzzzz) Hakan is pretty good actually =/ I play against Kimo who is a local Hakan player (he was on stream at NCR and got bodied by Infiltration haha) and he's pretty scary with solid mixups and good footsies (haha Hakan footsies). His ability to level 1 focus anything into a combo and dash normal cancel is pretty scary. That's not to say he's a high-tier character but he has some solid gameplay behind him. OMG HE'S OP LIKE SENTINEL CUZ HIS NORMALS CHIP What??? I should warn you for that comment. I'm pretty sure his heavy normals do chip damage? (don't quote me on that) Quoting. And no, they don't do chip damage haha.
I think people might be thinking Yun's palm strike is doing chip damage and thinking its a normal but that is in fact not a normal its a command move.
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On July 08 2011 00:45 DrBoo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 00:24 Excalibur_Z wrote:On July 07 2011 20:42 101toss wrote:On July 07 2011 15:18 Excalibur_Z wrote:On July 07 2011 14:29 101toss wrote:On July 07 2011 14:09 Excalibur_Z wrote:On July 07 2011 13:22 dangots0ul wrote:On July 07 2011 13:11 Zlasher wrote:
That tier list came out a while ago though, even since then its changed I mean Oni isn't even on there, and Ibuki and Honda definitely aren't B tier.
Just pick a character you like or wiht a moveset and options that you like and level up your game before wrorying about tiers. You have to realize their lists in SSF4 is like one from MVC2. Top low tier users have taken games off top high tier users while in MVC2 the difference between A and S is HUGE. If we scaled SSF4 with MVC2 tier scaling I doubt anyone would be lower than B (maybe Hakan cause he suuuuckkkkkzzzz) Hakan is pretty good actually =/ I play against Kimo who is a local Hakan player (he was on stream at NCR and got bodied by Infiltration haha) and he's pretty scary with solid mixups and good footsies (haha Hakan footsies). His ability to level 1 focus anything into a combo and dash normal cancel is pretty scary. That's not to say he's a high-tier character but he has some solid gameplay behind him. OMG HE'S OP LIKE SENTINEL CUZ HIS NORMALS CHIP What??? I should warn you for that comment. I'm pretty sure his heavy normals do chip damage? (don't quote me on that) Quoting. And no, they don't do chip damage haha. I think people might be thinking Yun's palm strike is doing chip damage and thinking its a normal but that is in fact not a normal its a command move.
We were discussing Hakan anyway :V
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On July 08 2011 00:53 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 00:45 DrBoo wrote:On July 08 2011 00:24 Excalibur_Z wrote:On July 07 2011 20:42 101toss wrote:On July 07 2011 15:18 Excalibur_Z wrote:On July 07 2011 14:29 101toss wrote:On July 07 2011 14:09 Excalibur_Z wrote:On July 07 2011 13:22 dangots0ul wrote:On July 07 2011 13:11 Zlasher wrote:
That tier list came out a while ago though, even since then its changed I mean Oni isn't even on there, and Ibuki and Honda definitely aren't B tier.
Just pick a character you like or wiht a moveset and options that you like and level up your game before wrorying about tiers. You have to realize their lists in SSF4 is like one from MVC2. Top low tier users have taken games off top high tier users while in MVC2 the difference between A and S is HUGE. If we scaled SSF4 with MVC2 tier scaling I doubt anyone would be lower than B (maybe Hakan cause he suuuuckkkkkzzzz) Hakan is pretty good actually =/ I play against Kimo who is a local Hakan player (he was on stream at NCR and got bodied by Infiltration haha) and he's pretty scary with solid mixups and good footsies (haha Hakan footsies). His ability to level 1 focus anything into a combo and dash normal cancel is pretty scary. That's not to say he's a high-tier character but he has some solid gameplay behind him. OMG HE'S OP LIKE SENTINEL CUZ HIS NORMALS CHIP What??? I should warn you for that comment. I'm pretty sure his heavy normals do chip damage? (don't quote me on that) Quoting. And no, they don't do chip damage haha. I think people might be thinking Yun's palm strike is doing chip damage and thinking its a normal but that is in fact not a normal its a command move. We were discussing Hakan anyway :V
v.v ohh... well I clearly misread that then since I know people were talking bout yun, and people thought he had chip damage normals... ugh nvm >,>
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On July 07 2011 18:02 Copenap wrote:
Hey, here's a SSF IV nub question. So I'm getting the Hori EX2 because the xbox pad is just awfull and I don't wanna spend 150 for a TE as I'm not going to play it to seriously. The thing is though, the stick layout has 6 buttons next to the stick and the LB and LT are only small buttons placed on the top, so that they are pretty much not useful during a game.
TEs are usually $100 unless it's a special edition or something, and you can replace the parts so if it ever breaks then you can just buy a new one of whatever you need... the reliability is worth the upgrade, it's not that it's only for "pros" or whatever. there's a lot of people out there who insist on using TEs and are terrible.
no stick will make you play better though.
anyway for the EX2 i believe the correct option in the controls menu is type C, you'll only use 6 buttons and it works fine.
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