Ultra Street Fighter IV - Page 280

On March 23 2013 16:08 Torte de Lini wrote:


I like him a lot and he's incredibly down-to-earth :B

On March 23 2013 15:33 Torte de Lini wrote:
Hm, yeah. Sagat looks awesome. My friend plays Dhalism (Snafoo/Richard Tuok).

On March 23 2013 15:07 Torte de Lini wrote:
Ooh, I don't like either of those heroes.

I'm talking a style like Ryu. My friend plays him all the time and he basically blocks everything and strikes with his Shoryuken.

On March 24 2013 02:09 diehilde wrote:
I hope to god they dont remove all unblockables or reverse blockables. For me they add a layer of complexity and are an incentive for keeping up training on the one hand and for more offensive play on the other. Most unblockables are escapable for most chars anyway. The only ones that would need change are inescapable ones (other than 1f blocking) that work mid screen and are easy enough to perform consistently imo. Removing all unblockables would necessarily most likely get rid of all reverse blockables too. Why?? You still only have to block, just to the other side you would expect. God forbid the player with more knowledge and who put in time to perfect the timing on a setup gets a reward against the player with less knowledge.

The good feeling when I manage to pull off a hard to time unblockable or reverse blockable has taken over the place of the that feeling when you land one of your chars hardest combos - this just wears off and becomes normal after the Xth time. But with unblockables and reverse blockables you will probably never have used every possible setup against every char out there. Heck, you can go in training room and even discover setups yourself - this is so much fun. I have discovered 3 totally unknown unblockables and countless reverse ones alone. Unblockables and reverse blockables add intricacy to the game, are a delight for lab monsters and prevent the game from being all about simplistic crossup, non-crossup, high/low meaty setups. If I wanted that shit I would have played a lame ass char like Guile, Sagat or Sim. Not everybody wants the game to be as simple as fuck.

On March 24 2013 02:09 diehilde wrote:
I hope to god they dont remove all unblockables or reverse blockables. For me they add a layer of complexity and are an incentive for keeping up training on the one hand and for more offensive play on the other. Most unblockables are escapable for most chars anyway. The only ones that would need change are inescapable ones (other than 1f blocking) that work mid screen and are easy enough to perform consistently imo. Removing all unblockables would necessarily most likely get rid of all reverse blockables too. Why?? You still only have to block, just to the other side you would expect. God forbid the player with more knowledge and who put in time to perfect the timing on a setup gets a reward against the player with less knowledge.

The good feeling when I manage to pull off a hard to time unblockable or reverse blockable has taken over the place of the that feeling when you land one of your chars hardest combos - this just wears off and becomes normal after the Xth time. But with unblockables and reverse blockables you will probably never have used every possible setup against every char out there. Heck, you can go in training room and even discover setups yourself - this is so much fun. I have discovered 3 totally unknown unblockables and countless reverse ones alone. Unblockables and reverse blockables add intricacy to the game, are a delight for lab monsters and prevent the game from being all about simplistic crossup, non-crossup, high/low meaty setups. If I wanted that shit I would have played a lame ass char like Guile, Sagat or Sim. Not everybody wants the game to be as simple as fuck.

On March 24 2013 02:51 Cel.erity wrote:


The thing I dislike the most about SF4 right now is the vast amount of knowledge required to play it at any competent level. In most games, you can succeed with footsies and fundamentals, and learn by experience. SF4 was intended to be this kind of game, but now I feel like it's the least intuitive fighting game ever. All of the ridiculous setups have turned it into a war of who can do the most homework and avoid interacting with the opponent as much as possible. This is the reason why so many top players are gravitating towards SFxT.

I do understand why some would see this type of thing as a positive factor that rewards time spent, but memorization is not the same as strategy, in fact it detracts from it. I think the experience which comes from playing games should outweigh the experience spent in training mode.

On March 24 2013 04:15 Excalibur_Z wrote:
I think "reverse blockable" refers to jump-ins that hit crossup, but land you in front so the grounded follow-up hits in front. Akuma and Ryu have such setups where they'll do a j.lk that hits crossup in the corner, but they land in front of you so you have to quickly switch your blocking direction.

On March 24 2013 02:51 Cel.erity wrote:
The thing I dislike the most about SF4 right now is the vast amount of knowledge required to play it at any competent level. In most games, you can succeed with footsies and fundamentals, and learn by experience. SF4 was intended to be this kind of game, but now I feel like it's the least intuitive fighting game ever. All of the ridiculous setups have turned it into a war of who can do the most homework and avoid interacting with the opponent as much as possible. This is the reason why so many top players are gravitating towards SFxT.

I do understand why some would see this type of thing as a positive factor that rewards time spent, but memorization is not the same as strategy, in fact it detracts from it. I think the experience which comes from playing games should outweigh the experience spent in training mode.

On March 24 2013 02:33 Tilorn91 wrote:
Ok so I finally decided to get good at this game (at least try). I played Fei Long some time ago but I was a scrub and only played vs my friend. Also, I have the PC version, is it worthwhile to learn the controls on a keyboard? I'm tight with money atm so buying a stick is not an option.

The Ibuki guide in the last few posts got me intrigued, so I'll try to learn her. She always seemed so cool on tournaments, smashing faces with the vortex play.

On March 24 2013 05:41 Mannerheim wrote:


The sad thing is that SF4 started out as a solid footsies game, and I hoped that with time it would rival ST itself. But by AE2012 the emphasis has shifted so massively to the oki game that bizarrely SFxT, even with all its silly mechanics, has become the preferred footsies game (which is why old-school players like Valle like it so much).

On March 24 2013 07:14 Trumpet wrote:


Posts like this make me wonder if you've actually played ST. No oki setup in SF4 is half as obnoxious as Claw or THawk were in ST. Personally, I don't like the unblockables and wouldn't miss them, but I play Balrog

On March 24 2013 07:31 Torte de Lini wrote:
You guys were right about Sagat, he's incredibly easy and comfortable to play and I love his moves!

edit: but I'm still having trouble holding my fight stick.