Ultra Street Fighter IV - Page 267

On January 19 2013 14:58 YulyaVolkova wrote:
I feel like that match (Latif vs Infiltration) was a reasonable example of what I was trying to get across in a few posts recently. Latif literally couldnt do anything. To put it in perspective this is the #1->#3 viper in the world depending on how you rate kyabetsu and wolfkrone. Every one of vipers midrange options is susceptible to reaction responses once the opponents get to a particularly high level. She cant burnkick, it can be countered (ie you do damage to viper) on reaction. She cant seismo and ever get it to actually hit people, its countered far too easily (and safely) on reaction by things like focus, spending alot of time in the air etc or just coming at viper in a reasonably safe manner (you closer than 2/3 screen vs viper = shes not going to non-ex seismo unless she likes gambling for 40% of her health). Her normals are pretty awful for footsies so anytime shes trying to engage in that kinda range it doesnt go so well.

Then look at the sick mixups Latif managed to get on Infiltration the few times he managed to get a knockdown. Like..walk up throw. Because thats....Viper. She doesnt have an abundance of sick setups off of all kinds of knockdowns into funky hard to defend against shit which does loads of damage. She mostly has the generic street fighter mixup all characters have, throw or meaty/delayed meaty...and then burnkick! Which does 90 damage into a terrible knockdown.

Granted, Infiltration is on another level right now, but that was an utter dismantling. Latif not only lost all but 3 (that right?) rounds, but in the rounds that he lost did absolute jack shit to Infiltration at any point. They were not close. The rounds Latif won I believe mostly came off of random Infiltration fuckups that allowed Latif to ultra.

Pretty soon we're probably going to see people like Latif/Krone stop going for burnkicks etc because it simply wont work vs most of the player pool they meet deep in tournaments. At that point, what in the fuck is vipers advantage? Awful normals, counterable zoning (although good in some matchups), throw in a single burnkick every 3 rounds just because they wont be looking for it. Is she meant to solely rely on being able to setup ultra often? Do Vipers have to start playing like Haitani (Makoto) often does with passively focusing to ultra->start going aggessive with the threat of the ultra stock? We shall see.

On January 19 2013 14:58 YulyaVolkova wrote:
I feel like that match (Latif vs Infiltration) was a reasonable example of what I was trying to get across in a few posts recently. Latif literally couldnt do anything. To put it in perspective this is the #1->#3 viper in the world depending on how you rate kyabetsu and wolfkrone. Every one of vipers midrange options is susceptible to reaction responses once the opponents get to a particularly high level. She cant burnkick, it can be countered (ie you do damage to viper) on reaction. She cant seismo and ever get it to actually hit people, its countered far too easily (and safely) on reaction by things like focus, spending alot of time in the air etc or just coming at viper in a reasonably safe manner (you closer than 2/3 screen vs viper = shes not going to non-ex seismo unless she likes gambling for 40% of her health). Her normals are pretty awful for footsies so anytime shes trying to engage in that kinda range it doesnt go so well.

Then look at the sick mixups Latif managed to get on Infiltration the few times he managed to get a knockdown. Like..walk up throw. Because thats....Viper. She doesnt have an abundance of sick setups off of all kinds of knockdowns into funky hard to defend against shit which does loads of damage. She mostly has the generic street fighter mixup all characters have, throw or meaty/delayed meaty...and then burnkick! Which does 90 damage into a terrible knockdown.

Granted, Infiltration is on another level right now, but that was an utter dismantling. Latif not only lost all but 3 (that right?) rounds, but in the rounds that he lost did absolute jack shit to Infiltration at any point. They were not close. The rounds Latif won I believe mostly came off of random Infiltration fuckups that allowed Latif to ultra.

Pretty soon we're probably going to see people like Latif/Krone stop going for burnkicks etc because it simply wont work vs most of the player pool they meet deep in tournaments. At that point, what in the fuck is vipers advantage? Awful normals, counterable zoning (although good in some matchups), throw in a single burnkick every 3 rounds just because they wont be looking for it. Is she meant to solely rely on being able to setup ultra often? Do Vipers have to start playing like Haitani (Makoto) often does with passively focusing to ultra->start going aggessive with the threat of the ultra stock? We shall see.

On January 19 2013 15:52 YulyaVolkova wrote:

Why do you all think Infiltration is dominating so hard? He claims to have only started with vanilla SF4 with no previous fighting game experiences. Uber talented people do exist but hes literally destroying people like Daigo regularly and making it look easy as fuck.