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Shivaz
Canada1783 Posts
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Silentenigma
Turkey2037 Posts
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O-ops
United States4236 Posts
On January 21 2013 10:28 Al Bundy wrote: Is Infiltration the next Zerg bonjwa? At the very least, he's the best SF4 player He's the best SF4 fighter for sure. From the trail of dead bodies he had left he's probably the best of all time, because no player has ever shown the type of rape he's putting on. Daigo won the most tourney but he never win them for free; the man had rivals everywhere and the only difference between them all is that he got a little more clutch than the rest of them. Then we have this dude who 6-0 people for free. People like bee and Daigo. And in every single one of those games he just made them look like they had no chance. Dude has sick talent, plus no one practice like he does. It's literally his job and he practice as much as a korean starcraft player, and i feel this is probably why he's so good. The old talents that we have heard of for the last decades have all more or less move on with their lives or at least has other priorities, like day jobs and families. The up-and-comer don't treat fighting games like a job either, most of them has day jobs or school anyway simply because this game doesn't bring in the money. The FGC will live forever because it's a sick hobby to have, but so very few makes money from this game and all those guys spent a good half of a decade being this good. As long as no one spend double digit hours practicing and studying opponents like he does, no one is gonna beat him. And i don't think anyone is gonna do it like that any time soon. | ||
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
On January 21 2013 07:31 CosmicSpiral wrote: The definition of talent is explicitly different than that of mere "traits", so it's seems like you are arguing semantics the wrong way lmao. Robots are not talented despite performing exactly according to function, artists are not all talented despite knowing the basic principles behind their work. talent [ˈtælənt] n 1. innate ability, aptitude, or faculty, esp when unspecified; above average ability Look up things in the dictionary before you call people out on arguing semantics the wrong way. Especially when they have a background in linguistics and philosophy. Talent is a hypothetical construct which needs to be empirically operationalized very differentely depending on what kind of "above average ability" you want to quantify if you would want to measure. If you would want to do that you would have to specify some genetic traits as indicators. Your point of view that genetic traits have not shown to have a correlation on "performance" in studies is flat wrong. Your not differentiating between any kinds of performances. Studies have proven that genetic traits greatly influence your IQ and that IQ strongly correlates with performance in certain tasks like logical thinking. Also academical success correlates with IQ, again as proven in studies. Why do you bring up robots in this?? You need to read more carefully. I wrote individuals, which clearly doesnt include robots. Also "relevant to being good" excludes not talented artists. Robots and people not above average ability are specifically excluded in a dictionary definition as well, I bolded the relevant parts for your convenience. When you refute a definition that pretty much is exactly the same as the one in the dictionary by giving random examples about robots that are neither included in my definition, nor in the dictionary one, it is clearly you who is arguing semantics the wrong way. Saying "there is no such thing as talent" shows that you dont understand the concept of a hypothetical construct. You could go around and argue "there is no such thing as justice" in the same way. Thats not how language works. You dont just tell people these things dont exist because they dont exist in the way you define them. Thats typical natural scientist thinking who doesnt have a clue about humanities. In everyday use, its a practical and short way to communicate very complex and very contextual meanings, without having to go to extreme lengths to explain yourself super precisely and create a clusterfuck of a semantic discussion like this one. Thats why I kept my first post short and told people to stop arguing semantics of a hypothetical construct, because newsflash, you are not and never will be the instance to determine if it exists or not. Next time you want to start arguing semantics, you better think about something better than "x doesnt exist" because thats just not how arguing semantics works. "Talent does not exist as a substance or ontological entity but merely as a hypothetical construct" - that is an acceptable argument and I think nobody would argue with that. Better yet, next time you want to start arguing semantics, just bite it. | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12248 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On January 20 2013 11:14 YulyaVolkova wrote: Yeah as diehilde mentioned, Latif is not overrated. Not attending almost anything in 2012 = he isnt going to win a whole lot of tournaments. The 1-2 tournaments he did enter he got far in and he was knocked out of evo2012 by Daigo+one other really good player I cant remember. He also went to Japan for a month or two earlier this year and rose to 100,000+ bp in the arcades faster than anyone else has apparently ever done. He says hes going to be attending many tournaments this year so we'll see what shape hes in over the next year. You don't get what i mean do you? It doesn't matter what he accomplished in the past, it doesn' t matter that he was second in evo ages ago, it doesn't matter how good he becomes in a year from now. What matters in the context of my statement is his condition now and how it's rated. If people thought he'd place well in this tournament they were overrating him. If people thought that 7-0 was in the least bit surprising they were overrating him. As we saw, Infiltration is very beatable. By people who aren't Latif. | ||
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
On January 21 2013 20:22 Shikyo wrote: You don't get what i mean do you? It doesn't matter what he accomplished in the past, it doesn' t matter that he was second in evo ages ago, it doesn't matter how good he becomes in a year from now. What matters in the context of my statement is his condition now and how it's rated. If people thought he'd place well in this tournament they were overrating him. If people thought that 7-0 was in the least bit surprising they were overrating him. As we saw, Infiltration is very beatable. By people who aren't Fixed | ||
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YulyaVolkova
United Kingdom95 Posts
On January 21 2013 20:22 Shikyo wrote: You don't get what i mean do you? It doesn't matter what he accomplished in the past, it doesn' t matter that he was second in evo ages ago, it doesn't matter how good he becomes in a year from now. What matters in the context of my statement is his condition now and how it's rated. If people thought he'd place well in this tournament they were overrating him. If people thought that 7-0 was in the least bit surprising they were overrating him. As we saw, Infiltration is very beatable. By people who aren't Latif. Uhm. I didnt mention anything that isnt recent. He went to Japan 3-4 months ago - that showed his form recently, and it was very solid. Him not attending almost anything in 2012 was a direct counter to you saying "Can't remember him accomplishing anything in forever" - that happens when you dont attend anything. Im not sure what secret information you have to claim that hes overrated, I was going off of actual information of his limited recent play (ie last 6 months) where hes looked pretty decent. I wasnt surprised particularly by him losing 7-0. I expected him to maybe take a couple of games with a small chance that he maybe went in the lab very heavily over the last month or two and came to play Infiltration with a bunch of shit nobody has ever seen before. That didnt happen, so him going 0-7 isnt a strange result. Latif did look shaky this tournament tho, so I would agree that someone thinking he would have done well this tournament technically 'overrated' his performance. I think saying he is an overrated player in general though is just simply wrong as the limited information we have at our disposal to judge his skill level over the last 6 months suggests hes pretty damn good. Everybody has bad tournaments, this was most definitely one of them for Latif. | ||
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broz0rs
United States2294 Posts
The Infiltration vs. Hugo 101 winners finals was so hype, especially the Hakan game. | ||
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AssyrianKing
Australia2117 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12248 Posts
On January 22 2013 13:05 PiPoGevy wrote: Any way to play this on PC via Hamachi or similar? It uses GFWL built-in. If you're thinking of a way to get around GFWL I don't think there is one... | ||
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AssyrianKing
Australia2117 Posts
On January 22 2013 13:23 Excalibur_Z wrote: It uses GFWL built-in. If you're thinking of a way to get around GFWL I don't think there is one... Aww..  Thank's for the reply | ||
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On January 21 2013 20:22 Shikyo wrote: As we saw, Infiltration is very beatable. By people who aren't Latif. He seems to struggle against characters more than people. He mentioned that there are no good Korean Yuns to practice against; I would imagine there's a lack of good Guy players in the KR scene as well. When he lost against Daigo at SF25th it was because he thought Daigo had some new technology, making him play the Akuma-Ryu matchup differently. | ||
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Arnstein
Norway3381 Posts
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O-ops
United States4236 Posts
On January 23 2013 03:55 diehilde wrote: Btw, Latif had the Flu at the tournament, hence the mask. Apparantely he still managed to infect a lot of people like LPN and Hoodaman :D So yeah, I think its safe to say his performance was affected by having the flu. Hoodaman managed to make top 8 with Honda, Mike Ross didn't. My belief is shattered. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On January 23 2013 05:10 Arnstein wrote: CafeID doing a stream for money! This should be featured on the site, since Tasteless frequently hangs out there and plays http://ww.twitch.tv/cafeid Does he really??? I've seen their KoF stream, I had no idea Tasteless hung out there. | ||
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Arnstein
Norway3381 Posts
On January 23 2013 12:26 Cel.erity wrote: Does he really??? I've seen their KoF stream, I had no idea Tasteless hung out there. Yes, when I went there this summer and told them I like StarCraft, one of them said: "Do you know Nick? Heavy drinker!" I showed them a picture of Tasteless and they said that was him. | ||
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Trumpet
United States1936 Posts
On January 23 2013 19:18 Arnstein wrote: Yes, when I went there this summer and told them I like StarCraft, one of them said: "Do you know Nick? Heavy drinker!" I showed them a picture of Tasteless and they said that was him. lmao that's awesome. I love their description. Yet another reason the storm observer is such a boss  | ||
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Demoninja
United States1190 Posts
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