On July 11 2012 06:19 GTR wrote: To be fair, MK9's control scheme makes it that using a traditional stick is more of a disadvantage than using a pad, IMO at least.
I tried going stick. Nope. It was incredibly awkward for me until I switch up to pad, then good things happened afterwards.
On July 11 2012 08:59 Cel.erity wrote:
On July 11 2012 07:50 itsben wrote:
On July 11 2012 07:36 Cel.erity wrote:
On July 11 2012 05:39 Mannerheim wrote: Sure it's about preference, but 9 out of 10 competitive players prefer a stick, for a reason.
The main reason is because they grew up in arcades, or around other people who used sticks and said to themselves "I need to get myself a stick". I played MvC2 competitively, there was no such thing as pads. Now though, I've been forced to use a pad because of my CTS. I'm a lot worse obviously, but there's nothing I can't do on one, and years of console gaming have made the transition relatively painless.
@poster above: Yeah, the SRK forums aren't very well frequented for the unpopular characters in 2012. I don't know where to find good Juri advice either.
Fanatiq played MvC2 on a pad i heard. I personally grew up on super street fighter 2 on snes and can't play stick since i hardly went to arcades as a child.
Don't think so. There was no such thing as console MvC2 for much of its life, and until fairly recently most fighting game tourneys have always been held on arcade cabs (they still are in Japan).
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
you were sayin'? theres even a mod for the dreamcast where you can switch out the songs in MvC2 to your own music.
Congrats, learn how to read. PS2 port was nearly 3 years after MvC2 had a competitive scene, and I'm not sure how you can even mention Dreamcast. Nobody owned a Dreamcast, and no competitive player used it to practice MvC2. As for the PS2 port itself, it was insanely hard to find and expensive (my copy was ~$100), so most people just stuck to arcades.
Huh? MvC2 had a competitive scene all the way up until MvC3 was released. A lot of tournaments even ran the game on console, most notably EVO once they decided to ditch arcade cabinets in like, 2005 or whatever.
I'm well aware of that? I was there.
Your post sure doesn't come off that way. Maybe I'm missing something here. I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to argue.
EDIT: I see where you said most of it's life now. Now it makes sense.
On July 11 2012 06:19 GTR wrote: To be fair, MK9's control scheme makes it that using a traditional stick is more of a disadvantage than using a pad, IMO at least.
I tried going stick. Nope. It was incredibly awkward for me until I switch up to pad, then good things happened afterwards.
On July 11 2012 08:59 Cel.erity wrote:
On July 11 2012 07:50 itsben wrote:
On July 11 2012 07:36 Cel.erity wrote:
On July 11 2012 05:39 Mannerheim wrote: Sure it's about preference, but 9 out of 10 competitive players prefer a stick, for a reason.
The main reason is because they grew up in arcades, or around other people who used sticks and said to themselves "I need to get myself a stick". I played MvC2 competitively, there was no such thing as pads. Now though, I've been forced to use a pad because of my CTS. I'm a lot worse obviously, but there's nothing I can't do on one, and years of console gaming have made the transition relatively painless.
@poster above: Yeah, the SRK forums aren't very well frequented for the unpopular characters in 2012. I don't know where to find good Juri advice either.
Fanatiq played MvC2 on a pad i heard. I personally grew up on super street fighter 2 on snes and can't play stick since i hardly went to arcades as a child.
Don't think so. There was no such thing as console MvC2 for much of its life, and until fairly recently most fighting game tourneys have always been held on arcade cabs (they still are in Japan).
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
you were sayin'? theres even a mod for the dreamcast where you can switch out the songs in MvC2 to your own music.
Congrats, learn how to read. PS2 port was nearly 3 years after MvC2 had a competitive scene, and I'm not sure how you can even mention Dreamcast. Nobody owned a Dreamcast, and no competitive player used it to practice MvC2. As for the PS2 port itself, it was insanely hard to find and expensive (my copy was ~$100), so most people just stuck to arcades.
Huh? MvC2 had a competitive scene all the way up until MvC3 was released. A lot of tournaments even ran the game on console, most notably EVO once they decided to ditch arcade cabinets in like, 2005 or whatever.
I'm well aware of that? I was there.
Your post sure doesn't come off that way. Maybe I'm missing something here. I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to argue.
EDIT: I see where you said most of it's life now. Now it makes sense.
I was never trying to argue anything, TL randoms started attacking me when I made a statement. The question was, "Did/does Fanatiq use a pad?" I said I don't think so and gave some reasons (on top of the fact that I've never seen him use a pad). For what it's worth, it turns out that he didn't use a pad for MvC2, but he switched to one for MvC3. I'm sure people will still come out of the woodwork to argue with me baselessly though.
On July 11 2012 06:19 GTR wrote: To be fair, MK9's control scheme makes it that using a traditional stick is more of a disadvantage than using a pad, IMO at least.
I tried going stick. Nope. It was incredibly awkward for me until I switch up to pad, then good things happened afterwards.
On July 11 2012 08:59 Cel.erity wrote:
On July 11 2012 07:50 itsben wrote:
On July 11 2012 07:36 Cel.erity wrote:
On July 11 2012 05:39 Mannerheim wrote: Sure it's about preference, but 9 out of 10 competitive players prefer a stick, for a reason.
The main reason is because they grew up in arcades, or around other people who used sticks and said to themselves "I need to get myself a stick". I played MvC2 competitively, there was no such thing as pads. Now though, I've been forced to use a pad because of my CTS. I'm a lot worse obviously, but there's nothing I can't do on one, and years of console gaming have made the transition relatively painless.
@poster above: Yeah, the SRK forums aren't very well frequented for the unpopular characters in 2012. I don't know where to find good Juri advice either.
Fanatiq played MvC2 on a pad i heard. I personally grew up on super street fighter 2 on snes and can't play stick since i hardly went to arcades as a child.
Don't think so. There was no such thing as console MvC2 for much of its life, and until fairly recently most fighting game tourneys have always been held on arcade cabs (they still are in Japan).
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
you were sayin'? theres even a mod for the dreamcast where you can switch out the songs in MvC2 to your own music.
Congrats, learn how to read. PS2 port was nearly 3 years after MvC2 had a competitive scene, and I'm not sure how you can even mention Dreamcast. Nobody owned a Dreamcast, and no competitive player used it to practice MvC2. As for the PS2 port itself, it was insanely hard to find and expensive (my copy was ~$100), so most people just stuck to arcades.
Congrats on the fail of the century.
Not only were you wrong in your original statement, but you're also wrong in that nobody owned a Dreamcast (lots of people bought Dreamcast solely for MvC2, because once people figured out that the protection on GD-Rom was shoddy as hell, tons of people bought it) they pirated the living shit out of it.
Not only that, but you're also dumb in that you forget that plenty of good MvC2 players picked up the DC for MvC2 because 1) DC was cheap as hell, and 2) The MvC2 port on Dreamcast is as close to arcade as you can get (it is only BARELY faster, almost an exact port). The PS2 port is nowhere close to the MvC2 Arcade version; it is significantly different in a multitude of ways.
Dreamcast failed because Sega didn't have enough resources to outmuscle Sony in the game department, not because it didn't sell well (which blows up your NOBODY OWNED A DREAMCAST). Rofl. Fucking kids these days that don't know jack shit. Wong, Rowtron, etc. etc. all owned Dreamcasts pretty early on in MvC2's competitive scene, and although they played at the Arcades alot, they would occasionally have all nighters all the time playing MvC2 because the DC port was actually one of the best ports of any fighting game.
It's funny for you to say that nobody owned a DC, when originally Sega couldn't even keep up with the demand at the time back in 99. But then again, obv kid that never played games before PS3 is obv.
On July 11 2012 06:19 GTR wrote: To be fair, MK9's control scheme makes it that using a traditional stick is more of a disadvantage than using a pad, IMO at least.
I tried going stick. Nope. It was incredibly awkward for me until I switch up to pad, then good things happened afterwards.
On July 11 2012 08:59 Cel.erity wrote:
On July 11 2012 07:50 itsben wrote:
On July 11 2012 07:36 Cel.erity wrote:
On July 11 2012 05:39 Mannerheim wrote: Sure it's about preference, but 9 out of 10 competitive players prefer a stick, for a reason.
The main reason is because they grew up in arcades, or around other people who used sticks and said to themselves "I need to get myself a stick". I played MvC2 competitively, there was no such thing as pads. Now though, I've been forced to use a pad because of my CTS. I'm a lot worse obviously, but there's nothing I can't do on one, and years of console gaming have made the transition relatively painless.
@poster above: Yeah, the SRK forums aren't very well frequented for the unpopular characters in 2012. I don't know where to find good Juri advice either.
Fanatiq played MvC2 on a pad i heard. I personally grew up on super street fighter 2 on snes and can't play stick since i hardly went to arcades as a child.
Don't think so. There was no such thing as console MvC2 for much of its life, and until fairly recently most fighting game tourneys have always been held on arcade cabs (they still are in Japan).
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
you were sayin'? theres even a mod for the dreamcast where you can switch out the songs in MvC2 to your own music.
Congrats, learn how to read. PS2 port was nearly 3 years after MvC2 had a competitive scene, and I'm not sure how you can even mention Dreamcast. Nobody owned a Dreamcast, and no competitive player used it to practice MvC2. As for the PS2 port itself, it was insanely hard to find and expensive (my copy was ~$100), so most people just stuck to arcades.
Huh? MvC2 had a competitive scene all the way up until MvC3 was released. A lot of tournaments even ran the game on console, most notably EVO once they decided to ditch arcade cabinets in like, 2005 or whatever.
I'm well aware of that? I was there.
Your post sure doesn't come off that way. Maybe I'm missing something here. I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to argue.
EDIT: I see where you said most of it's life now. Now it makes sense.
I was never trying to argue anything, TL randoms started attacking me when I made a statement. The question was, "Did/does Fanatiq use a pad?" I said I don't think so and gave some reasons (on top of the fact that I've never seen him use a pad). For what it's worth, it turns out that he didn't use a pad for MvC2, but he switched to one for MvC3. I'm sure people will still come out of the woodwork to argue with me baselessly though.
Yeah, I missed that point initially. I just jumped on the last comment of the quote tree and read it mostly out of context. Browsing TL while working doesn't necessarily mix well most of the time.
Ok, I think understand what Cel.erity was saying now when he said "There was no such thing as console MvC2 for much of its life" . I don't think he meant MVC2 didn't have a console release for much of it's life, but instead a shift to console MVC2 for the tournament scene much of its life.
On July 11 2012 06:19 GTR wrote: To be fair, MK9's control scheme makes it that using a traditional stick is more of a disadvantage than using a pad, IMO at least.
I tried going stick. Nope. It was incredibly awkward for me until I switch up to pad, then good things happened afterwards.
On July 11 2012 08:59 Cel.erity wrote:
On July 11 2012 07:50 itsben wrote:
On July 11 2012 07:36 Cel.erity wrote:
On July 11 2012 05:39 Mannerheim wrote: Sure it's about preference, but 9 out of 10 competitive players prefer a stick, for a reason.
The main reason is because they grew up in arcades, or around other people who used sticks and said to themselves "I need to get myself a stick". I played MvC2 competitively, there was no such thing as pads. Now though, I've been forced to use a pad because of my CTS. I'm a lot worse obviously, but there's nothing I can't do on one, and years of console gaming have made the transition relatively painless.
@poster above: Yeah, the SRK forums aren't very well frequented for the unpopular characters in 2012. I don't know where to find good Juri advice either.
Fanatiq played MvC2 on a pad i heard. I personally grew up on super street fighter 2 on snes and can't play stick since i hardly went to arcades as a child.
Don't think so. There was no such thing as console MvC2 for much of its life, and until fairly recently most fighting game tourneys have always been held on arcade cabs (they still are in Japan).
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
you were sayin'? theres even a mod for the dreamcast where you can switch out the songs in MvC2 to your own music.
Congrats, learn how to read. PS2 port was nearly 3 years after MvC2 had a competitive scene, and I'm not sure how you can even mention Dreamcast. Nobody owned a Dreamcast, and no competitive player used it to practice MvC2. As for the PS2 port itself, it was insanely hard to find and expensive (my copy was ~$100), so most people just stuck to arcades.
Huh? MvC2 had a competitive scene all the way up until MvC3 was released. A lot of tournaments even ran the game on console, most notably EVO once they decided to ditch arcade cabinets in like, 2005 or whatever.
I'm well aware of that? I was there.
Your post sure doesn't come off that way. Maybe I'm missing something here. I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to argue.
EDIT: I see where you said most of it's life now. Now it makes sense.
I was never trying to argue anything, TL randoms started attacking me when I made a statement. The question was, "Did/does Fanatiq use a pad?" I said I don't think so and gave some reasons (on top of the fact that I've never seen him use a pad). For what it's worth, it turns out that he didn't use a pad for MvC2, but he switched to one for MvC3. I'm sure people will still come out of the woodwork to argue with me baselessly though.
25 seconds in Fanatiq says he started on pad and he never changed, so I'm curious where you saw him use a stick... He's famous for the OBD, and regardless of the fact that he didn't have an A1, his execution was so good on PAD that his MSP was one of the best in the world.
I'm gonna quote Mike Ross when I say "OBD in dat ass."
Also for people saying that MVC 2 could be played on Xbox or PS2, then you're wrong. Dreamcast is the only console you could play MVC 2 on. It's the only console that was close enough to the Arcade and switching would just be awful, you could not do it. Dreamcasts were always used in competition and players would refuse to other wise.
MVC 2 was played on console for a large portion of its life. Minimum was 2006, which was about 5 years until its end in 2011. EVO started using consoles fairly early (and if EVO switches, so does the community), I'm not sure what year it was exactly but the earliest I can find a video of is 2006, and they might have started using consoles ever before then. + Show Spoiler +
I would be extremely curious to see a competition on a cabinet though, however for Fanatiq to be playing on a Stick, that's impossible because he never did.
Okay, after looking it up EVO started using console only in 2004, so that's when they started using Dreamcast.
Even when Evo switched to consoles people still played tournaments and casuals at the arcades outside of Evo. Most people rather play on a cabinet with genuine arcade parts and meet up there. I use to play CVS2 and 3s a shitload at the arcades even though my friend had a dreamcast with all these pirated fighting games. Custom sticks back then were expensive as fuck and the mass produced ones were awful by todays standard the TE.
On July 11 2012 06:19 GTR wrote: To be fair, MK9's control scheme makes it that using a traditional stick is more of a disadvantage than using a pad, IMO at least.
I tried going stick. Nope. It was incredibly awkward for me until I switch up to pad, then good things happened afterwards.
On July 11 2012 08:59 Cel.erity wrote:
On July 11 2012 07:50 itsben wrote:
On July 11 2012 07:36 Cel.erity wrote:
On July 11 2012 05:39 Mannerheim wrote: Sure it's about preference, but 9 out of 10 competitive players prefer a stick, for a reason.
The main reason is because they grew up in arcades, or around other people who used sticks and said to themselves "I need to get myself a stick". I played MvC2 competitively, there was no such thing as pads. Now though, I've been forced to use a pad because of my CTS. I'm a lot worse obviously, but there's nothing I can't do on one, and years of console gaming have made the transition relatively painless.
@poster above: Yeah, the SRK forums aren't very well frequented for the unpopular characters in 2012. I don't know where to find good Juri advice either.
Fanatiq played MvC2 on a pad i heard. I personally grew up on super street fighter 2 on snes and can't play stick since i hardly went to arcades as a child.
Don't think so. There was no such thing as console MvC2 for much of its life, and until fairly recently most fighting game tourneys have always been held on arcade cabs (they still are in Japan).
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
you were sayin'? theres even a mod for the dreamcast where you can switch out the songs in MvC2 to your own music.
Congrats, learn how to read. PS2 port was nearly 3 years after MvC2 had a competitive scene, and I'm not sure how you can even mention Dreamcast. Nobody owned a Dreamcast, and no competitive player used it to practice MvC2. As for the PS2 port itself, it was insanely hard to find and expensive (my copy was ~$100), so most people just stuck to arcades.
Congrats on the fail of the century.
Not only were you wrong in your original statement, but you're also wrong in that nobody owned a Dreamcast (lots of people bought Dreamcast solely for MvC2, because once people figured out that the protection on GD-Rom was shoddy as hell, tons of people bought it) they pirated the living shit out of it.
Not only that, but you're also dumb in that you forget that plenty of good MvC2 players picked up the DC for MvC2 because 1) DC was cheap as hell, and 2) The MvC2 port on Dreamcast is as close to arcade as you can get (it is only BARELY faster, almost an exact port). The PS2 port is nowhere close to the MvC2 Arcade version; it is significantly different in a multitude of ways.
Dreamcast failed because Sega didn't have enough resources to outmuscle Sony in the game department, not because it didn't sell well (which blows up your NOBODY OWNED A DREAMCAST). Rofl. Fucking kids these days that don't know jack shit. Wong, Rowtron, etc. etc. all owned Dreamcasts pretty early on in MvC2's competitive scene, and although they played at the Arcades alot, they would occasionally have all nighters all the time playing MvC2 because the DC port was actually one of the best ports of any fighting game.
It's funny for you to say that nobody owned a DC, when originally Sega couldn't even keep up with the demand at the time back in 99. But then again, obv kid that never played games before PS3 is obv.
You're an idiot. You should really do background checks on the people you're insulting prior to calling them kids who grew up on PS3.
On July 11 2012 06:19 GTR wrote: To be fair, MK9's control scheme makes it that using a traditional stick is more of a disadvantage than using a pad, IMO at least.
I tried going stick. Nope. It was incredibly awkward for me until I switch up to pad, then good things happened afterwards.
On July 11 2012 08:59 Cel.erity wrote:
On July 11 2012 07:50 itsben wrote:
On July 11 2012 07:36 Cel.erity wrote:
On July 11 2012 05:39 Mannerheim wrote: Sure it's about preference, but 9 out of 10 competitive players prefer a stick, for a reason.
The main reason is because they grew up in arcades, or around other people who used sticks and said to themselves "I need to get myself a stick". I played MvC2 competitively, there was no such thing as pads. Now though, I've been forced to use a pad because of my CTS. I'm a lot worse obviously, but there's nothing I can't do on one, and years of console gaming have made the transition relatively painless.
@poster above: Yeah, the SRK forums aren't very well frequented for the unpopular characters in 2012. I don't know where to find good Juri advice either.
Fanatiq played MvC2 on a pad i heard. I personally grew up on super street fighter 2 on snes and can't play stick since i hardly went to arcades as a child.
Don't think so. There was no such thing as console MvC2 for much of its life, and until fairly recently most fighting game tourneys have always been held on arcade cabs (they still are in Japan).
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
you were sayin'? theres even a mod for the dreamcast where you can switch out the songs in MvC2 to your own music.
Congrats, learn how to read. PS2 port was nearly 3 years after MvC2 had a competitive scene, and I'm not sure how you can even mention Dreamcast. Nobody owned a Dreamcast, and no competitive player used it to practice MvC2. As for the PS2 port itself, it was insanely hard to find and expensive (my copy was ~$100), so most people just stuck to arcades.
Congrats on the fail of the century.
Not only were you wrong in your original statement, but you're also wrong in that nobody owned a Dreamcast (lots of people bought Dreamcast solely for MvC2, because once people figured out that the protection on GD-Rom was shoddy as hell, tons of people bought it) they pirated the living shit out of it.
Not only that, but you're also dumb in that you forget that plenty of good MvC2 players picked up the DC for MvC2 because 1) DC was cheap as hell, and 2) The MvC2 port on Dreamcast is as close to arcade as you can get (it is only BARELY faster, almost an exact port). The PS2 port is nowhere close to the MvC2 Arcade version; it is significantly different in a multitude of ways.
Dreamcast failed because Sega didn't have enough resources to outmuscle Sony in the game department, not because it didn't sell well (which blows up your NOBODY OWNED A DREAMCAST). Rofl. Fucking kids these days that don't know jack shit. Wong, Rowtron, etc. etc. all owned Dreamcasts pretty early on in MvC2's competitive scene, and although they played at the Arcades alot, they would occasionally have all nighters all the time playing MvC2 because the DC port was actually one of the best ports of any fighting game.
It's funny for you to say that nobody owned a DC, when originally Sega couldn't even keep up with the demand at the time back in 99. But then again, obv kid that never played games before PS3 is obv.
You're an idiot. You should really do background checks on the people you're insulting prior to calling them kids who grew up on PS3.
Edit: gre > grew
Don't need a background check; his argument was blown up to shreds already. Fantiq did play on pads, and people were playing MvC2 on DC all the fucking time. Tournaments yes were played on arcades, but to believe that no one practiced at home after the Arcades closed on the DC is just phenomenally fucking dumb, especially considering as stated above, the DC is the only port that is actually anywhere close to the Arcade version.
1) He stated that no one owned a DC; completely false. People bought out DC's so fast that the supply couldn't keep up. Later on when DC's became even more affordable (due to Sega discontinuing them), they became even more popular in the early 2000s (2002-2004ish) when Marvel was became even more popular.
2) He states that no one played Marvel on DC. This couldn't be farther from the truth. Everyone that was serious about Marvel back in the day that didn't have access to high quality competition owned a DC, period. Even the hardcore Marvel players like Justin, Row, SiN, SooMighty, etc. along with various other players across the whole U.S. owned a DC because it was by far and away the best port (and the earliest one might I add, on a cheap ass console that you could pirate the game on, not that I am condoning piracy, just stating the facts). Arcades aren't open 24/7, and people played plenty at a friend's house for practice etc. When CvS2 came out, the DC's popularity sky rocketed in the FGC, because both Marvel and CvS2 were nearly perfect ports on the DC.
People who make dumb statements like this need to be called out, because dumb statements are dumb. Period.
On July 11 2012 06:19 GTR wrote: To be fair, MK9's control scheme makes it that using a traditional stick is more of a disadvantage than using a pad, IMO at least.
I tried going stick. Nope. It was incredibly awkward for me until I switch up to pad, then good things happened afterwards.
On July 11 2012 08:59 Cel.erity wrote:
On July 11 2012 07:50 itsben wrote:
On July 11 2012 07:36 Cel.erity wrote:
On July 11 2012 05:39 Mannerheim wrote: Sure it's about preference, but 9 out of 10 competitive players prefer a stick, for a reason.
The main reason is because they grew up in arcades, or around other people who used sticks and said to themselves "I need to get myself a stick". I played MvC2 competitively, there was no such thing as pads. Now though, I've been forced to use a pad because of my CTS. I'm a lot worse obviously, but there's nothing I can't do on one, and years of console gaming have made the transition relatively painless.
@poster above: Yeah, the SRK forums aren't very well frequented for the unpopular characters in 2012. I don't know where to find good Juri advice either.
Fanatiq played MvC2 on a pad i heard. I personally grew up on super street fighter 2 on snes and can't play stick since i hardly went to arcades as a child.
Don't think so. There was no such thing as console MvC2 for much of its life, and until fairly recently most fighting game tourneys have always been held on arcade cabs (they still are in Japan).
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
you were sayin'? theres even a mod for the dreamcast where you can switch out the songs in MvC2 to your own music.
Congrats, learn how to read. PS2 port was nearly 3 years after MvC2 had a competitive scene, and I'm not sure how you can even mention Dreamcast. Nobody owned a Dreamcast, and no competitive player used it to practice MvC2. As for the PS2 port itself, it was insanely hard to find and expensive (my copy was ~$100), so most people just stuck to arcades.
Congrats on the fail of the century.
Not only were you wrong in your original statement, but you're also wrong in that nobody owned a Dreamcast (lots of people bought Dreamcast solely for MvC2, because once people figured out that the protection on GD-Rom was shoddy as hell, tons of people bought it) they pirated the living shit out of it.
Not only that, but you're also dumb in that you forget that plenty of good MvC2 players picked up the DC for MvC2 because 1) DC was cheap as hell, and 2) The MvC2 port on Dreamcast is as close to arcade as you can get (it is only BARELY faster, almost an exact port). The PS2 port is nowhere close to the MvC2 Arcade version; it is significantly different in a multitude of ways.
Dreamcast failed because Sega didn't have enough resources to outmuscle Sony in the game department, not because it didn't sell well (which blows up your NOBODY OWNED A DREAMCAST). Rofl. Fucking kids these days that don't know jack shit. Wong, Rowtron, etc. etc. all owned Dreamcasts pretty early on in MvC2's competitive scene, and although they played at the Arcades alot, they would occasionally have all nighters all the time playing MvC2 because the DC port was actually one of the best ports of any fighting game.
It's funny for you to say that nobody owned a DC, when originally Sega couldn't even keep up with the demand at the time back in 99. But then again, obv kid that never played games before PS3 is obv.
You're an idiot. You should really do background checks on the people you're insulting prior to calling them kids who grew up on PS3.
Edit: gre > grew
Don't need a background check; his argument was blown up to shreds already. Fantiq did play on pads, and people were playing MvC2 on DC all the fucking time. Tournaments yes were played on arcades, but to believe that no one practiced at home after the Arcades closed on the DC is just phenomenally fucking dumb, especially considering as stated above, the DC is the only port that is actually anywhere close to the Arcade version.
1) He stated that no one owned a DC; completely false. People bought out DC's so fast that the supply couldn't keep up. Later on when DC's became even more affordable (due to Sega discontinuing them), they became even more popular in the early 2000s (2002-2004ish) when Marvel was became even more popular.
2) He states that no one played Marvel on DC. This couldn't be farther from the truth. Everyone that was serious about Marvel back in the day that didn't have access to high quality competition owned a DC, period. Even the hardcore Marvel players like Justin, Row, SiN, SooMighty, etc. along with various other players across the whole U.S. owned a DC because it was by far and away the best port (and the earliest one might I add, on a cheap ass console that you could pirate the game on, not that I am condoning piracy, just stating the facts). Arcades aren't open 24/7, and people played plenty at a friend's house for practice etc. When CvS2 came out, the DC's popularity sky rocketed in the FGC, because both Marvel and CvS2 were nearly perfect ports on the DC.
People who make dumb statements like this need to be called out, because dumb statements are dumb. Period.
Good to see you know how to differentiate an attack upon a person with an attack upon their argument. Oh wait...
On July 11 2012 06:19 GTR wrote: To be fair, MK9's control scheme makes it that using a traditional stick is more of a disadvantage than using a pad, IMO at least.
I tried going stick. Nope. It was incredibly awkward for me until I switch up to pad, then good things happened afterwards.
On July 11 2012 08:59 Cel.erity wrote:
On July 11 2012 07:50 itsben wrote:
On July 11 2012 07:36 Cel.erity wrote:
On July 11 2012 05:39 Mannerheim wrote: Sure it's about preference, but 9 out of 10 competitive players prefer a stick, for a reason.
The main reason is because they grew up in arcades, or around other people who used sticks and said to themselves "I need to get myself a stick". I played MvC2 competitively, there was no such thing as pads. Now though, I've been forced to use a pad because of my CTS. I'm a lot worse obviously, but there's nothing I can't do on one, and years of console gaming have made the transition relatively painless.
@poster above: Yeah, the SRK forums aren't very well frequented for the unpopular characters in 2012. I don't know where to find good Juri advice either.
Fanatiq played MvC2 on a pad i heard. I personally grew up on super street fighter 2 on snes and can't play stick since i hardly went to arcades as a child.
Don't think so. There was no such thing as console MvC2 for much of its life, and until fairly recently most fighting game tourneys have always been held on arcade cabs (they still are in Japan).
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you were sayin'? theres even a mod for the dreamcast where you can switch out the songs in MvC2 to your own music.
Congrats, learn how to read. PS2 port was nearly 3 years after MvC2 had a competitive scene, and I'm not sure how you can even mention Dreamcast. Nobody owned a Dreamcast, and no competitive player used it to practice MvC2. As for the PS2 port itself, it was insanely hard to find and expensive (my copy was ~$100), so most people just stuck to arcades.
Congrats on the fail of the century.
Not only were you wrong in your original statement, but you're also wrong in that nobody owned a Dreamcast (lots of people bought Dreamcast solely for MvC2, because once people figured out that the protection on GD-Rom was shoddy as hell, tons of people bought it) they pirated the living shit out of it.
Not only that, but you're also dumb in that you forget that plenty of good MvC2 players picked up the DC for MvC2 because 1) DC was cheap as hell, and 2) The MvC2 port on Dreamcast is as close to arcade as you can get (it is only BARELY faster, almost an exact port). The PS2 port is nowhere close to the MvC2 Arcade version; it is significantly different in a multitude of ways.
Dreamcast failed because Sega didn't have enough resources to outmuscle Sony in the game department, not because it didn't sell well (which blows up your NOBODY OWNED A DREAMCAST). Rofl. Fucking kids these days that don't know jack shit. Wong, Rowtron, etc. etc. all owned Dreamcasts pretty early on in MvC2's competitive scene, and although they played at the Arcades alot, they would occasionally have all nighters all the time playing MvC2 because the DC port was actually one of the best ports of any fighting game.
It's funny for you to say that nobody owned a DC, when originally Sega couldn't even keep up with the demand at the time back in 99. But then again, obv kid that never played games before PS3 is obv.
You're an idiot. You should really do background checks on the people you're insulting prior to calling them kids who grew up on PS3.
Edit: gre > grew
Don't need a background check; his argument was blown up to shreds already. Fantiq did play on pads, and people were playing MvC2 on DC all the fucking time. Tournaments yes were played on arcades, but to believe that no one practiced at home after the Arcades closed on the DC is just phenomenally fucking dumb, especially considering as stated above, the DC is the only port that is actually anywhere close to the Arcade version.
1) He stated that no one owned a DC; completely false. People bought out DC's so fast that the supply couldn't keep up. Later on when DC's became even more affordable (due to Sega discontinuing them), they became even more popular in the early 2000s (2002-2004ish) when Marvel was became even more popular.
2) He states that no one played Marvel on DC. This couldn't be farther from the truth. Everyone that was serious about Marvel back in the day that didn't have access to high quality competition owned a DC, period. Even the hardcore Marvel players like Justin, Row, SiN, SooMighty, etc. along with various other players across the whole U.S. owned a DC because it was by far and away the best port (and the earliest one might I add, on a cheap ass console that you could pirate the game on, not that I am condoning piracy, just stating the facts). Arcades aren't open 24/7, and people played plenty at a friend's house for practice etc. When CvS2 came out, the DC's popularity sky rocketed in the FGC, because both Marvel and CvS2 were nearly perfect ports on the DC.
People who make dumb statements like this need to be called out, because dumb statements are dumb. Period.
Good to see you know how to differentiate an attack upon a person with an attack upon their argument. Oh wait...
Wait, so I originally called out his argument at first politely, and then he retorts by saying we're all dumbasses (told a previous poster to learn to read, and calls us "random TLers") and we don't know what we're talking about and now he's getting his credibility as a poster torn to shreds?
Whoa; I didn't know that was suppose to happen! Sorry bro, when people say dumb shit like "no one played Marvel on DC" or "no one owned a DC" just blows my mind. Training mode ON THE CONSOLES is the reason why half of the things in Marvel and CvS2 were discovered. He made a dumb statement. He got called out, and he's mad because he got called out. Refuses to simply admit he's wrong. That's all there is to it.
On July 12 2012 07:14 Hokay wrote: Even when Evo switched to consoles people still played tournaments and casuals at the arcades outside of Evo. Most people rather play on a cabinet with genuine arcade parts and meet up there. I use to play CVS2 and 3s a shitload at the arcades even though my friend had a dreamcast with all these pirated fighting games. Custom sticks back then were expensive as fuck and the mass produced ones were awful by todays standard the TE.
That's true, but most the Major tournaments, and by major I'm talking about FR, Seasons beatings, EVO because they all started using Dreamcasts fairly early. Again EVO did in 2004, and I remember FR XI which is the earliest I remember using Dreamcasts. The one guy said that MVC2 on Dreamcast didn't have a tournament life is completely wrong; I can almost guarantee that Majors had more Dreamcast tournaments than Cabinet tournaments. And that's certainly true for the biggest tournament in the world EVO.
Honestly I came into the scene later, but if you could link me a video of the game being held on cabinet that would be cool! I would like to see Justin Wong back in his God days.
On July 12 2012 07:14 Hokay wrote: Even when Evo switched to consoles people still played tournaments and casuals at the arcades outside of Evo. Most people rather play on a cabinet with genuine arcade parts and meet up there. I use to play CVS2 and 3s a shitload at the arcades even though my friend had a dreamcast with all these pirated fighting games. Custom sticks back then were expensive as fuck and the mass produced ones were awful by todays standard the TE.
That's true, but most the Major tournaments, and by major I'm talking about FR, Seasons beatings, EVO because they all started using Dreamcasts fairly early. Again EVO did in 2004, and I remember FR XI which is the earliest I remember using Dreamcasts. The one guy said that MVC2 on Dreamcast didn't have a tournament life is completely wrong; I can almost guarantee that Majors had more Dreamcast tournaments than Cabinet tournaments. And that's certainly true for the biggest tournament in the world EVO.
Honestly I came into the scene later, but if you could link me a video of the game being held on cabinet that would be cool! I would like to see Justin Wong back in his God days.
Even when tournaments were using Arcade cabinets most people discovered most of the glitches/tech/etc. (or at least refined them) on the Dreamcast as the DC ports of both MvC2 and CvS2 were pretty much spot on. To say no one practiced on the DC is just laughable at best.
I'm not necessarily sure RCing was discovered on the cabinet (I suspect not, Ohnuki was the first I remember to publicly utilize the glitch, and the game was already out on DC at that point so), but it definitely got majorly refined through training mode on the DC. As far as I know alot of the advanced techs/combos/glitches in MvC2 were also discovered/refined big time in training mode too, ranging from Rom infinite, IM Japanese infinite setup, to guard cancelling (push block cancel). Oh, also if I'm not mistaken things like guard breaking from throws and things of that nature were discovered off of the DC training mode. Not sure if Fly/Unfly was figured out on the DC, but I do remember a video of it being demonstrated on SRK back in like 2001-2002 or something like that, so I'm sure people tested it out/figured out the properties of it through training mode on DC also.
On July 12 2012 07:14 Hokay wrote: Even when Evo switched to consoles people still played tournaments and casuals at the arcades outside of Evo. Most people rather play on a cabinet with genuine arcade parts and meet up there. I use to play CVS2 and 3s a shitload at the arcades even though my friend had a dreamcast with all these pirated fighting games. Custom sticks back then were expensive as fuck and the mass produced ones were awful by todays standard the TE.
Every serious Marvel/CvS2 player back in the early 2000s had a DC. Buktooth had a blog about how he went to Japan and they had a DC that played nothing but CvS2 almost constantly every day. Sure, they got up and went to the Arcade for the competition, but the house that Buktooth was staying at (I'm pretty SURE it was Buktooth who had the blog up on SRK at least) had DC running CvS2. Now, I'm not saying I lived with Justin/Sanford/Row/Soo/etc. but if you're telling me they didn't own a DC pretty early on in the 2000s you can slap me silly. Training mode alone warrants the buying of a DC if you are a tournament player.
On July 12 2012 07:14 Hokay wrote: Even when Evo switched to consoles people still played tournaments and casuals at the arcades outside of Evo. Most people rather play on a cabinet with genuine arcade parts and meet up there. I use to play CVS2 and 3s a shitload at the arcades even though my friend had a dreamcast with all these pirated fighting games. Custom sticks back then were expensive as fuck and the mass produced ones were awful by todays standard the TE.
That's true, but most the Major tournaments, and by major I'm talking about FR, Seasons beatings, EVO because they all started using Dreamcasts fairly early. Again EVO did in 2004, and I remember FR XI which is the earliest I remember using Dreamcasts. The one guy said that MVC2 on Dreamcast didn't have a tournament life is completely wrong; I can almost guarantee that Majors had more Dreamcast tournaments than Cabinet tournaments. And that's certainly true for the biggest tournament in the world EVO.
Honestly I came into the scene later, but if you could link me a video of the game being held on cabinet that would be cool! I would like to see Justin Wong back in his God days.
Majors aren't the only tournaments outside of Evo. There are many local tournaments, and casual meet ups throughout the year leading to a major. It's where people play, and get good at. Depending on your area, arcades were still alive early to mid 2000, and most players preferred playing the arcade version despite majors switching consoles. It wasn't uncommon for people to run a tournament at an arcade (the owners loved it!).
On July 12 2012 07:14 Hokay wrote: Even when Evo switched to consoles people still played tournaments and casuals at the arcades outside of Evo. Most people rather play on a cabinet with genuine arcade parts and meet up there. I use to play CVS2 and 3s a shitload at the arcades even though my friend had a dreamcast with all these pirated fighting games. Custom sticks back then were expensive as fuck and the mass produced ones were awful by todays standard the TE.
That's true, but most the Major tournaments, and by major I'm talking about FR, Seasons beatings, EVO because they all started using Dreamcasts fairly early. Again EVO did in 2004, and I remember FR XI which is the earliest I remember using Dreamcasts. The one guy said that MVC2 on Dreamcast didn't have a tournament life is completely wrong; I can almost guarantee that Majors had more Dreamcast tournaments than Cabinet tournaments. And that's certainly true for the biggest tournament in the world EVO.
Honestly I came into the scene later, but if you could link me a video of the game being held on cabinet that would be cool! I would like to see Justin Wong back in his God days.
Majors aren't the only tournaments outside of Evo. There are many local tournaments, and casual meet ups throughout the year leading to a major. It's where people play, and get good at. Depending on your area, arcades were still alive early to mid 2000, and most players preferred playing the arcade version despite majors switching consoles. It wasn't uncommon for people to run a tournament at an arcade (the owners loved it!).
The most active arcades were in SoCal and NY (some action up in Seattle). Outside of the very few hotspots in the U.S., the Dreamcast was pretty much your only chance of getting a Marvel/FG scene going.
On July 12 2012 07:14 Hokay wrote: Even when Evo switched to consoles people still played tournaments and casuals at the arcades outside of Evo. Most people rather play on a cabinet with genuine arcade parts and meet up there. I use to play CVS2 and 3s a shitload at the arcades even though my friend had a dreamcast with all these pirated fighting games. Custom sticks back then were expensive as fuck and the mass produced ones were awful by todays standard the TE.
That's true, but most the Major tournaments, and by major I'm talking about FR, Seasons beatings, EVO because they all started using Dreamcasts fairly early. Again EVO did in 2004, and I remember FR XI which is the earliest I remember using Dreamcasts. The one guy said that MVC2 on Dreamcast didn't have a tournament life is completely wrong; I can almost guarantee that Majors had more Dreamcast tournaments than Cabinet tournaments. And that's certainly true for the biggest tournament in the world EVO.
Honestly I came into the scene later, but if you could link me a video of the game being held on cabinet that would be cool! I would like to see Justin Wong back in his God days.
Even when tournaments were using Arcade cabinets most people discovered most of the glitches/tech/etc. (or at least refined them) on the Dreamcast as the DC ports of both MvC2 and CvS2 were pretty much spot on. To say no one practiced on the DC is just laughable at best.
I'm not necessarily sure RCing was discovered on the cabinet (I suspect not, Ohnuki was the first I remember to publicly utilize the glitch, and the game was already out on DC at that point so), but it definitely got majorly refined through training mode on the DC. As far as I know alot of the advanced techs/combos/glitches in MvC2 were also discovered/refined big time in training mode too, ranging from Rom infinite, IM Japanese infinite setup, to guard cancelling (push block cancel). Oh, also if I'm not mistaken things like guard breaking from throws and things of that nature were discovered off of the DC training mode. Not sure if Fly/Unfly was figured out on the DC, but I do remember a video of it being demonstrated on SRK back in like 2001-2002 or something like that, so I'm sure people tested it out/figured out the properties of it through training mode on DC also.
On July 12 2012 07:14 Hokay wrote: Even when Evo switched to consoles people still played tournaments and casuals at the arcades outside of Evo. Most people rather play on a cabinet with genuine arcade parts and meet up there. I use to play CVS2 and 3s a shitload at the arcades even though my friend had a dreamcast with all these pirated fighting games. Custom sticks back then were expensive as fuck and the mass produced ones were awful by todays standard the TE.
Every serious Marvel/CvS2 player back in the early 2000s had a DC. Buktooth had a blog about how he went to Japan and they had a DC that played nothing but CvS2 almost constantly every day. Sure, they got up and went to the Arcade for the competition, but the house that Buktooth was staying at (I'm pretty SURE it was Buktooth who had the blog up on SRK at least) had DC running CvS2. Now, I'm not saying I lived with Justin/Sanford/Row/Soo/etc. but if you're telling me they didn't own a DC pretty early on in the 2000s you can slap me silly. Training mode alone warrants the buying of a DC if you are a tournament player.
I never said people didn't have a DC back in the day because it was expensive. That was the other guy Cel.erity. The post you quoted me even says MY FRIEND (I should have said friends) owned a DC with all those fighting games. We use to play on them too, but we always preferred arcade over playing at someones lame house on the carpet, with non-happ arcade parts. Think about that.
And no not every serious marvel player or cvs2 player had a dc. You don't know everyone, some players were poor and would just play at the arcades or at a friends house with a console.
In more AE-related news, Big Two is streaming right now at http://www.twitch.tv/teamsp00ky. I think they're doing marvel right now, but there was a pretty cool El Fuerte-Hakan match that just happened on stream, i'd recommend finding it in the archives afterwards.
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