Diablo 2 thread - Page 33

On February 26 2021 04:38 Peeano wrote:
All I'm wondering is if they will fix the pathing issue where u can become blocked but on your screen it looks like you're still advancing. Suddenly you go into hit recovery animation and your health drops from 100% to 10% because in reality there are 10 monsters hugging you to death.
This issue will still make most physical characters, especially with a bit of movement speed impossible to play. I would love to see a charge/zeal paladin actually be viable, instead of just enigma lamerdins. It is my biggest concern that Blizz won't fix it and you're forced to get teleport or spam tp to reset. The issue is actually most annoying in town, because then you cannot reset with teleport or tp.
Cow Levels were a huge success before 1.10 and greatly reduced having to deal with this issue.

On February 27 2021 03:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:


I always thought that that issue was due to lag?

On February 27 2021 04:19 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:


It has to do with how you talk to the server. Essentially your local client and the game server pass information back and forth frequently about what your character is doing. You had to do a hit recovery on the server side that didn't happen on the client side. On your screen you're continuing to run forward, but the server eventually tells you that you performed a hit recovery awhile ago and you're still standing there probably getting hit by a lot of things.

Path of Exile had a huge problem with this as well for awhile and introduced a new latency mode. Essentially if you lose connection then the game freezes instead of you continuing to run forward and the client predicting how the server will react. It is a trade off rather than one is better than the other. If you have bad ping then you want a client predictive interaction typically. With modern internet it's better to just talk to the server and not do prediction.

On February 27 2021 13:30 Archeon wrote:

I feel that one is clearly better than the other though, because freezing means you don't die. The lag issue was always the biggest thing that stopped me from playing more HC.

Hopefully this will be fixed.

On February 27 2021 13:47 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:


It's not like you're invulnerable until the game catches up. You can do inputs, but you can't see what the server thinks is happening. It has the advantage that you can potentially move or pot or attack the ground and hopefully kill whatever is there. Freezing probably bad verbiage on my part. If you lost connection for a few seconds then it will turn out fine most likely. If you disconnected then it depends on how fast the netcode drops your session and does a save and exit for you.

This has to be balanced with abuse/hardcore. If you can lag the game and force something favorable for yourself then that is bad design.

On February 26 2021 04:38 Peeano wrote:
All I'm wondering is if they will fix the pathing issue where u can become blocked but on your screen it looks like you're still advancing. Suddenly you go into hit recovery animation and your health drops from 100% to 10% because in reality there are 10 monsters hugging you to death.
This issue will still make most physical characters, especially with a bit of movement speed impossible to play. I would love to see a charge/zeal paladin actually be viable, instead of just enigma lamerdins. It is my biggest concern that Blizz won't fix it and you're forced to get teleport or spam tp to reset. The issue is actually most annoying in town, because then you cannot reset with teleport or tp.
Cow Levels were a huge success before 1.10 and greatly reduced having to deal with this issue.

On February 27 2021 13:47 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:


It's not like you're invulnerable until the game catches up. You can do inputs, but you can't see what the server thinks is happening. It has the advantage that you can potentially move or pot or attack the ground and hopefully kill whatever is there. Freezing probably bad verbiage on my part. If you lost connection for a few seconds then it will turn out fine most likely. If you disconnected then it depends on how fast the netcode drops your session and does a save and exit for you.

This has to be balanced with abuse/hardcore. If you can lag the game and force something favorable for yourself then that is bad design.

On March 01 2021 05:50 Archeon wrote:

Honestly if people want to cheat their hardcore mode in a PvE game, so what? I can alt+f4 offline as well if I really want to play hardcore without dying, but why would I play hardcore then?

Naturally these things need to looked at in the leaderboard, but then again the leaderboard at the end of a season is a small number of samples that even a human could look through.

On the flipside loosing my char because my server decides to lag is entirely unfair and extremely frustrating for no reason, if we are talking about bad game design this surely should take precedence?

On March 01 2021 08:46 Archeon wrote:
I don't see the problem with the server freezing areas where only one player is active if if it recognizes package loss by that player over a certain threshold. Yes it might still kill you, but it's better than the current state where at times you have a lag or mini-dc for 3-4 secs, the server restores the full connection and you either got super lucky on your random attacks and heal timings or immediately die because the server didn't pause the state and you get hit by a dozen of attacks. I have never experienced this as badly as in d2 in any game I remember. PoE and D3 are nowhere near as bad in this.

Hell sc2 pauses if an observer lags, why should d2 not pause when the only player in the game lags? Like you say they allow you to intentionally chicken out, there is already a way to instantaneously leave the game, so there's no reason to not prioritize the player character survival.

I read design and thought game design, and no I'm not in favor of them touching the monster dps. I still don't see the tradeoff of lags not freezing the game temporarily, especially if you aren't in an 8 person random group.