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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
May 12 2011 00:42 GMT
#41
From my experiences, definitely brood war. There's nothing quite like beating 4 other players(all of which think they have some skill at the game) in a 1v4. Sadly this won't be attainable in sc2.
fadestep
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States605 Posts
May 12 2011 00:48 GMT
#42
There seem to be a lot of people in this thread undervaluing the skill required to compete at a top level in team based games. It is just as hard if not harder to have as dominant a CS or DoTA team as it is to be a dominant SC player.

I think that the following games require the highest amount of mechanical and mental strength in their respective arenas.

Team FPS: CS 1.6
FPS: Quake 3
Team Strategy: Defense of the Ancients
Strategy: Starcraft: Broodwar
Fighting: Not sure on fighting games.
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Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-12 01:01:34
May 12 2011 00:55 GMT
#43
On May 12 2011 07:41 nymfaw wrote:
WoW probably has the lowest skillcap of all games in gaming history.. dont be mad

There are so many games out there that it's hard to name certains but i think RTS is #1


I have to agree RTS's have the highest skill cap definitely. But I disagree overwhelmingly that WoW has a low skill cap. I'd have to rate it above any FPS's but right below Starcraft. Anyone who has remotely PvP'd in WoW can tell you theres an unbelieveably huge difference between a lets say bad Rogue and a good Rogue, and that goes for all the classes. Sure some comps in 2v2/3v3/5v5 are easier than others but theres definitely a high skill cap for playing your class to perfection.

Edit: Talking about WoW when it was in it's prime. Not the carbear hug fest WotLK was.
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Wasteland
Profile Joined March 2010
United States22 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-12 01:03:40
May 12 2011 01:00 GMT
#44
Street Fighter III: Third Strike -- Don't take this as SSF4/SSF4AE hating, or 3S elitism. The parry system, as well as secret arts requires a bit more mechanical skill than setting up a situation where ultras even things up without much thought (a la: Ryu random DP FADC ultra )

Watching pro Japanese dudes play 3S is awesome.
peidongyang
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada2084 Posts
May 12 2011 01:03 GMT
#45
warcraft 2 for sure
the throws never bothered me anyway
KudosX
Profile Joined November 2010
United States69 Posts
May 12 2011 01:04 GMT
#46
On May 12 2011 07:47 sanya wrote:
daoc 8v8 at about ~rr10 level without adds if we're talking teamfights
broodwar otherwise probably


My favorite was being outnumbered crazy amounts and winning when you shouldn't because of teamwork and crowd control.

I remember winning 8 vs 40+ fights back in the days of Old Frontiers...

I used to run with LARFO, a pretty popular guild back in the day
mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
May 12 2011 01:10 GMT
#47
the skill cap (objectively) of a game is more often than not occupied by the current best player (assuming the game has been played for many years). It often changes, and it is much higher for games with a high player-base. You can take something as simple as tetris and add a really high player base, and yo uwill see some ridiculous things that you otherwise would never see or think about if just 5 people played it.

I'm not going to talk about sports because they are (I think) harder because it is much more competitive ( and skill cap is somehow correlated to amount of competition).

In terms of games you can play on a computer, my guess would be BW, but I think if we include stuff like poker and chess, I would say chess over everything.

We talkin about PRACTICE
SafeWord
Profile Joined February 2010
United States522 Posts
May 12 2011 01:11 GMT
#48
Go > all
Who needs players when you have God?
ArC_man
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States2798 Posts
May 12 2011 01:32 GMT
#49
Tetris is up there
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
May 12 2011 01:34 GMT
#50
On May 12 2011 07:41 nymfaw wrote:
WoW probably has the lowest skillcap of all games in gaming history.. dont be mad

There are so many games out there that it's hard to name certains but i think RTS is #1

WoW has a pretty high skill cap at high level PvP, there are a lot of timings, specific positionings and a lot of situations where you have to be gosu clutch. Lower than that when people don't have equal gear, it comes down to who has better gear and is not retarded. In the PvE side of things, there's a skill cap, once you hit it it doesn't really matter. Slight improvements in timings make little difference, the challenge mainly comes down to coordination. Far lower than RTS games, but higher than most people think.

I'd say either Brood War or Warcraft 3. I'd say DotA (the original, you LoL fanboys out there) has the highest in any team game.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-12 02:08:53
May 12 2011 02:08 GMT
#51
I'm almost inclined to say go just because it's so legendary, but I really have no idea how to play it well so I'll abstain.

Of the games I've played, it's either broodwar or a quake game. Definitely not cs... definitely not dota. Don't get me wrong those are very high skill games but I don't really consider them honest picks here.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
arthur
Profile Joined April 2009
United Kingdom488 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-12 02:17:59
May 12 2011 02:12 GMT
#52
On May 12 2011 07:44 Eppa! wrote:
Some of the harder games that I know of are: CS 1.6, BW, SSBM, DotA all require huge amount of time to learn the basics of competitive play.


Soldier Front has a higher skill ceiling than CS1.6.




Also, I think GunZ is one of the hardest game to learn mechanically... I don't know if its still the same? But like 5-6 years ago it was pretty fucking insane to play at the top level, a lot harder than quakelive or such fast paced shooters.
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KCrazy
Profile Joined August 2009
United States278 Posts
May 12 2011 02:13 GMT
#53
On May 12 2011 09:35 Seide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 09:32 RoseTempest wrote:
On May 12 2011 09:24 dave333 wrote:
Fighter: SSBM Really technically demanding, just to have basic mobility it requires some technically demanding stuff. Than add in having to actually fight, mindgames, combos, etc. it was really hard.

BW for obvious reasons.

COD!!! (lolol)


Have to agree, as a former low-level pro player that would dominate casuals 1v3 and win local tournaments/have a fairly good knowledge of the metagame etc. I would go to large competitions, meet a big name in the qualifiers or ro64 and get 4stocked repeatedly. It would be at a point where I would be lucky to get them past 40%.

Melee has quite a quick learning curve, but the skill ceiling is virtually limitless.

Oh god I forgot about Smash Bros. Yeaaaah that game is so heartbreaking, you practice and practice and think that you are in good shape, then you always meet someone who just rapes you so bad and makes you look like it's your first time playing the game.

You just want to crawl into a corner get into fetal position and cry.


I know how you feel, i used to go to school with KDJ T-T scariest thing ive ever seen in a video game
"We need alcohol" ~Stork
See.Blue
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2673 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-12 02:15:42
May 12 2011 02:14 GMT
#54
BW, Smash Bros Melee, SC2, Counterstrike probably.

Edit: played KDJ earlier this year while he's out of shape. Repeated 4stocking. Wasn't even fair, dude
Doomblaze
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1292 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-12 02:21:08
May 12 2011 02:18 GMT
#55
I havent played fighting games outside of super smash bros, but melee is one of the most intense games ever. The apm of most foxes are between 200 and 300, 400+ in the case of silent wolf, but he doesnt win anything so its not that important.

There are no true combos in melee because the opponent can control what direction they go in to an extent, so every combo is done by reaction, not by memorizing long strings of buttons like in more traditional fighting games. Also, there is no lifebar so people can survive up to 200% if their DI is good enough, even if they get comboed insanely.

Edit: Ahaha, i played darkrain a few months ago with my falco when i thought i was playing well and i only took 2 stocks off of him on FD and 0 on every other stage, it was depressing.

BW, definitely, of any game ever because it is the hardest game ever.
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Vertig0
Profile Joined March 2009
United States196 Posts
May 12 2011 02:27 GMT
#56
As Tasteless and Day9 have mentioned a few times: Beatmania IIDX has a quite high skillcap
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Tsenister
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom112 Posts
May 12 2011 02:27 GMT
#57
On May 12 2011 09:55 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 07:41 nymfaw wrote:
WoW probably has the lowest skillcap of all games in gaming history.. dont be mad

There are so many games out there that it's hard to name certains but i think RTS is #1


I have to agree RTS's have the highest skill cap definitely. But I disagree overwhelmingly that WoW has a low skill cap. I'd have to rate it above any FPS's but right below Starcraft. Anyone who has remotely PvP'd in WoW can tell you theres an unbelieveably huge difference between a lets say bad Rogue and a good Rogue, and that goes for all the classes. Sure some comps in 2v2/3v3/5v5 are easier than others but theres definitely a high skill cap for playing your class to perfection.

Edit: Talking about WoW when it was in it's prime. Not the carbear hug fest WotLK was.


When you say when WoW was in it's prime... What era are you actually thinking?

Don't give me WoW PvP has skill. Its PillarVPillar hump all day. Skill difference is measurable in all games when it's between players it's not a reason why it has a high skill cap.
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
May 12 2011 02:29 GMT
#58
quake is seriously difficult as it require reflexes, great mouse control, patience, item pick-up timings and when-to-attack timings.

Broodwar is by far the most difficult RTS because there is always something that you can do = you need speed. This conclusion leads to the fact that time is a resource and you will have to prioritize your actions.
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Mazer
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada1086 Posts
May 12 2011 02:36 GMT
#59
Nailing it to one game is pretty hard but I'd say I am most impressed by Quake players. Second would be BW.

Demand2k
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Norway875 Posts
May 12 2011 02:37 GMT
#60
I'd go with Quake. Broodwar is the RTS with the highest skillcap, but it's still extremely luck based, which is showcased by a DOMINANT player losing nearly 30% of his games.
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