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qubee
Netherlands39 Posts
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
On May 20 2011 03:37 antelope591 wrote: Agreed...plus luck is less of a factor in BW than any other game. It's pretty much 100% based on skill and player ability. If a pretty good but not pro level player played 1000 games against Flash/Jaedong he would loose all 1000 of them badly. But in an FPS for example, if that same caliber player player 1000 rounds against fatality or a decent team played against the best CS team they could still take a handful of rounds due to lucky shots. Um. No. You obviously never played either Quake or CS competitively. Noone, not evne professionals touched Fatal1ty during his "dream run" back in the day, and I know I as a fairly solid Quaker, that I could never in my wildest dreams take a game off of the current beast, rapha. I think if I played a thousand games vs him(without improving, of course) at my level, I think I would probably have something like 50 KILLS total. And would be 0-1000. I would never come even close to taking a game off him. And as an even better CS player......it's almost worse. Sure, my team might take an occasional round(out of a bo15, like usual), but would never come even close to winning a game vs a top team. For an example of perspective, a round in CS or a kill in Quake would be roughly equivalent to an engagement in SC. A top level team could probably beat my team with nothing but grenades and desert eagles.....15-0. The difference is just as HUGE. You overestimate BW. I played an "average" top team in a CEVO tournament about 5 years ago...they beat us 15-1. They rushed us with smgs and shotguns every round. I almost quit right then and there. | ||
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afk4lifez
United States44 Posts
On May 12 2011 07:41 nymfaw wrote: WoW probably has the lowest skillcap of all games in gaming history.. dont be mad There are so many games out there that it's hard to name certains but i think RTS is #1 your comment is most likely based on the observation of below average pve scrubs like yourself, who cant achieve even a mediocre arena rating despite being carried by welfare epics you obviously never seen a skilled top rated player. watch rekful for instance - although average pve scrub like you wont understand the 99% of whats going on in the video wow is far more and skilled and than any fps games ive seen. if skill cap is low as you say, EVERYONE should be able to hit 3000 rating with 117-4 record amirite??? do some research before making such crappy misinformative posts. thx User was banned for this post. | ||
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vennike
Estonia29 Posts
Now imagine doing even one of those runs.(If it looks simple then i dare you to try and beat them). Then imagine doing them 10 times in a row during matches. Not easy huh? Trackmanias skill cap is in my opinion the highest due to - Hundreds of thousands of tracks - 7 different environments with different car handling - Different substyles in all environments , all of which require different skills to be had from the driver , from pinpoint precision driving to figuring out puzzles. - Properly mastering even 1 track takes weeks , let alone all of them. | ||
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Nebula
England780 Posts
On May 20 2011 04:12 afk4lifez wrote: your comment is most likely based on the observation of below average pve scrubs like yourself, who cant achieve even a mediocre arena rating despite being carried by welfare epics you obviously never seen a skilled top rated player. watch rekful for instance - although average pve scrub like you wont understand the 99% of whats going on in the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU8pOwuqt3k wow is far more and skilled and than any fps games ive seen. if skill cap is low as you say, EVERYONE should be able to hit 3000 rating with 117-4 record amirite??? do some research before making such crappy misinformative posts. thx It's nice you want to defend your game and all but saying it has more skill than a game like quake 3 is just laughable. There is a good reason why competitive MMO is looked down upon. | ||
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Velocirapture
United States983 Posts
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LonelyCat
United Kingdom130 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17720 Posts
On May 20 2011 06:03 LonelyCat wrote: I'm fairly sure Grubby, Insomnia and ToD hung at 85%+ on warcraft III ladder, during its most competitive days. Why is imperfect information limiting in skill level? It adds to it adding mind games, you need to be able to take risks or come to decisions on things without perfect information - a reason why RTS AIs are notoriously difficult to make. Also denying information becomes more important as you can potentially look to force bad decisions through these methods. Actually, Grubby was ~67% on ladder. The thing is that when you got to the top (especially in the masters ladder added later) you were competing with pros most of the time and, as hard as it may seem, Grubby wasn't untouchable and even non top-tier guys from some of the top-tier teams were able to take games from him. | ||
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BAMK
United States117 Posts
On May 20 2011 04:24 Velocirapture wrote: FPS and Fighting games always struck me as the highest skill curve games. I love rts but imperfect information games are limited in this respect by their very nature. The clear evidence of this is how dominant top players are in each genre. The best rts players hit ~70% at their peak (given a reasonable sample size). The best FPS and fighter guys hang out well over 90% (although some are notorious for messing around like Justin Wong playing the TROLLDOK team in tourney lol). What about the fact that, say, Jwong can dominate at multiple games (mvc2, super4, third strike) at the same time while I don't think there are any BW pros or war3 pros could win a tourney in both at the same time? I feel like fighting and FPS games essentially are simpler games that reward on core mechanics far more (reaction time, mouse accuracy, button timing) while requiring less game-specific knowledge. Thus, if you're good at the core mechanics, you can quickly learn a game and dominate people, whereas in RTS games, learning the game is a far bigger task between the maps, strategies, and unique situations. Also, in FPS/fighting games, unique situations are somewhat fewer and easier to "reset" back to a neutral position. | ||
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xarthaz
1704 Posts
On May 20 2011 01:35 Manit0u wrote: @ QuakeWorld: Dunno man, seems things have changed a bit. When I was playing Quake back in the days having the colours set like that (gamma settings with no shadows and shining players) was forbidden. Every serious competitive game allows fullbright color models and clear map settings... | ||
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Wazakhaq
Finland7 Posts
On May 20 2011 08:41 xarthaz wrote: Every serious competitive game allows fullbright color models and clear map settings... Yeah like counter-strike where fullbright color models and clear map settings are considered bannable offense =) | ||
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antelope591
Canada820 Posts
On May 20 2011 03:53 Sm3agol wrote: Um. No. You obviously never played either Quake or CS competitively. Noone, not evne professionals touched Fatal1ty during his "dream run" back in the day, and I know I as a fairly solid Quaker, that I could never in my wildest dreams take a game off of the current beast, rapha. I think if I played a thousand games vs him(without improving, of course) at my level, I think I would probably have something like 50 KILLS total. And would be 0-1000. I would never come even close to taking a game off him. And as an even better CS player......it's almost worse. Sure, my team might take an occasional round(out of a bo15, like usual), but would never come even close to winning a game vs a top team. For an example of perspective, a round in CS or a kill in Quake would be roughly equivalent to an engagement in SC. A top level team could probably beat my team with nothing but grenades and desert eagles.....15-0. The difference is just as HUGE. You overestimate BW. I played an "average" top team in a CEVO tournament about 5 years ago...they beat us 15-1. They rushed us with smgs and shotguns every round. I almost quit right then and there. Clearly u misread my post...I didn't say take a game I said take a round or have a bunch of kills which you agreed with. Obviously the pro would win but purely based on luck you can still take a round once in a while or get a kill once in a while. In BW there's no such thing as winning a game once in a while vs an S class player unless you're a pro yourself. This is what I mean by luck being a factor...of course it's not a big factor but even if its 1-5% that's greater than the luck involved in BW which is pretty much close to 0. | ||
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xarthaz
1704 Posts
On May 20 2011 09:16 Wazakhaq wrote: Yeah like counter-strike where fullbright color models and clear map settings are considered bannable offense =) Yeah this is just brainless run and gun then, the CS pros arent gonna waste their time playing with these noobs so they play the pro fps game. | ||
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Wazakhaq
Finland7 Posts
On May 20 2011 09:45 xarthaz wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYpR67fV5ww Yeah this is just brainless run and gun then, the CS pros arent gonna waste their time playing with these noobs so they play the pro fps game. First i would like to ask you when did i offend you or "your game". Second I play quake myself lol. Quake players are just biggest snobs around and are butthurt because everyone doesnt like their game  | ||
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Brotatolol
United States1742 Posts
On May 20 2011 04:12 afk4lifez wrote: your comment is most likely based on the observation of below average pve scrubs like yourself, who cant achieve even a mediocre arena rating despite being carried by welfare epics you obviously never seen a skilled top rated player. watch rekful for instance - although average pve scrub like you wont understand the 99% of whats going on in the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU8pOwuqt3k wow is far more and skilled and than any fps games ive seen. if skill cap is low as you say, EVERYONE should be able to hit 3000 rating with 117-4 record amirite??? do some research before making such crappy misinformative posts. thx Were you not told when you bought WoW that it is actually a source of entertainment and sense of accomplishment for the blind and handicapped? Oh, I guess not. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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unsaid
45 Posts
CS 1.6 SC 1 Quake Trackmania WC3 SC2 Dota/hon ... ... ... farting ... ... WoW and other mmorpg shit | ||
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Skurvy
United Kingdom13 Posts
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mojojo800
United States66 Posts
But really I think either BW or Gunz the duel. | ||
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Jaso
United States2147 Posts
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bEwArE
United Kingdom121 Posts
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