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ket-
97 Posts
 I like both teams, and I hated both how Barca kept play-acting and how Real didn't try to play football but rather to kill the game, so I'm happy Pepe got his red and that they got served. I just hope next game the ref gives cards to Barca for play-acting like that. Or UEFA based on replays but eh, doubt that'd ever be the case. | ||
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TranceStorm
1616 Posts
On April 28 2011 15:48 Sabu113 wrote: I think Mourinho's rant has some credence. Barcelona gets some fishy reffing. Drogba was right to call that semi a disgrace, and some of the play acting today was disgraceful. No way in hell is pepe's tackle a red. He made solid contact with the ball first. Anyway hopefully mourinho's mindgames payoff later. Eh, I think Mourinho went a little too far in calling out all of Barcelona's European success as due to dodgy referring. Of course Barcelona have had decisions go their way, but to say that they don't deserve any of their success is a bit too far-fetched. Personally, to me, Barcelona can be amazing when they are fully in the driver's seat and winning games with their wonderful passing style. However, once things start turning against them, they start turning extremely, extremely ugly. I definitely think you can see the backlash against them increase every year. When Guardiola first took over the job, everyone was in love with their style and their vision. Now people have gotten tired of their 'holier than thou' attitude and games like this have done nothing to improve their reputation. | ||
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Sadir
Vatican City State1176 Posts
On April 28 2011 15:48 Sabu113 wrote: I think Mourinho's rant has some credence. Barcelona gets some fishy reffing. Drogba was right to call that semi a disgrace, and some of the play acting today was disgraceful. No way in hell is pepe's tackle a red. He made solid contact with the ball first. Anyway hopefully mourinho's mindgames payoff later. last year Barca got kicked out by Inter and the referee in the first game made some big mistakes (offside goal, penalty) that's football and pepe can't complain about this red card, if you make a challange like this, that's what you get (it's not red for every referee, but if he gets red, it's well deserved ) | ||
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xxxxxxb
155 Posts
On April 28 2011 12:39 Runnin wrote: Someone isn't up to date with the Copa Del Rey final... So what? They won that game and what was their mindset for the next one? Oh, yeah, let's park the bus on our own stadium, literally walk the field from the very beginning (well, only their half of it) and trashtalk everyone so we can deviate the fact that we played in a very timorous way. And how are they facing the next one? Zero self critical, blaming anyone but themselves, saying they already lost. Winning that cup didn't change them, at all. | ||
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samaNo4
Spain245 Posts
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TranceStorm
1616 Posts
On April 28 2011 16:27 samaNo4 wrote: Pellegrini had similar results with less money invested and more football. Plus, aren't there mods in teamliquid? Eveyone calling everyone else idiots, assholes, etc. this looks like 4chan. Pellegrini had similar results, yes, but he was never going to last that Real Madrid. Real Madrid go through managers quicker than almost any team in the world. A quick glance at wikipedia reveals that Real Madrid went through 10 different managers in the last decade. Considering that he didn't win any trophies despite earning such a high point total, he could never live up to the expectations thrown at him by the team. Plus, he never had the cult of personality that Mourinho has meaning that he wouldn't be popular enough to retain his position. | ||
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Vernom
Spain374 Posts
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Spinfusor
Australia410 Posts
On April 28 2011 16:33 TranceStorm wrote: Pellegrini had similar results, yes, but he was never going to last that Real Madrid. Real Madrid go through managers quicker than almost any team in the world. A quick glance at wikipedia reveals that Real Madrid went through 10 different managers in the last decade. Considering that he didn't win any trophies despite earning such a high point total, he could never live up to the expectations thrown at him by the team. Plus, he never had the cult of personality that Mourinho has meaning that he wouldn't be popular enough to retain his position. Same results? 4-1 down to Alcorcon. 2-1 down to Lyon. And importantly, a declining performance vs Barca (despite the scoreline, the second game at home was much worse than the 2-0 indicated). I think Pellegrini is a nice enough guy, and I also think Perez is a bit trigger happy, but sacking Pellegrini after not being able to arrest the side against either Alcorcon or Lyon is justifiable. Is that really too much to ask? | ||
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TranceStorm
1616 Posts
On April 28 2011 16:52 Spinfusor wrote: Same results? 4-1 down to Alcorcon. 2-1 down to Lyon. And importantly, a declining performance vs Barca (despite the scoreline, the second game at home was much worse than the 2-0 indicated). I think Pellegrini is a nice enough guy, and I also think Perez is a bit trigger happy, but sacking Pellegrini after not being able to arrest the side against either Alcorcon or Lyon is justifiable. Is that really too much to ask? Yet Real Madrid ended up with 96 points in the league last season which was a record for them (and more than what Real are currently headed for). My argument is simply that the expectations are far too high for a manager like Pellegrini. Considering that Capello and Schuster both left after one season despite winning the league indicates that Pellegrini, who is a decent manager, could never live up to the expectations. And consider this, if Mourinho were not Mourinho, would his performances be viewed in the same way? Of course not. The 5-0 drubbing to Barcelona and his inability to keep Real's league performance up with Barcelona would certainly be grounds for dismissal. But Mourinho is an extremely popular figure and perhaps is one of the only figures who could survive at Real Madrid (I think) despite not winning the league or the Champions League. | ||
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JuJuZerg
United States48 Posts
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tyCe
Australia2542 Posts
I liked Pep's change in strategy in this match as Barca looks to play much deeper to be less caught out on counter-attacks. This meant that the first half was a more boring affair, but it was the perfect play by Pep in response to Mourinho's regularly cagey 10-man defence style against Barca in all the first halves of their recent meetings. In the second half, RM had to venture forward more, and Barca, in turn, pressed higher up the pitch and played more in RM's half, looking for opportunities. It's a pity that Marcelo's disgusting stamp on Pedro's knee was not seen by the ref as it was easily a straight red and possibly a 2-3 match ban from UEFA. Messi was largely absent in the match but popped up at the crucial times to shred away RM's hopes of the UCL this year. | ||
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Greem
730 Posts
On April 28 2011 05:16 noezke wrote: I can't actually remember a barce game i've enjoyed, so dull. I pitty you so much, this is no doubt the best team i've seen playing, even better then old Barça "dream team", or epic R.Madrid with Zidane, Figo ,Beckham,Ronaldo,R.Carlos, etc. I wonder how big the hate can grow to make you blind. I tend to criticize even things i support. Its simply foolish to deny the fact that Barça is a great team even that they make it look one sided and generate hate from other team supporters, its foolish as well say thet actual Madrid play style or better sad Mourinhos play style agains Barça deserves anything better then a autoloose. It made sense when a lot of ppl point out that harsh style hes using is for intimidation nor more no less. I do think Mourinho knows how to win, and i admire how from "simple" translator he become one of the top coaches in world. But i must also say that Blocking colors with plain Black simply to get a win isn't my style of doing anything just to get the job done. Regardless of the result of any Classicos played this year, regardless of Trophies won, ill still support any team they tends to entertain the supporters not with wins but rather with a great play. Winners not always bring the Trophies Home. | ||
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Stimp
South Africa780 Posts
On April 28 2011 18:00 Greem wrote: its foolish as well say thet actual Madrid play style or better sad Mourinhos play style agains Barça deserves anything better then a autoloose. Its foolish to say any playstyle deserves an autowin. | ||
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Spinfusor
Australia410 Posts
On April 28 2011 17:05 TranceStorm wrote: Yet Real Madrid ended up with 96 points in the league last season which was a record for them (and more than what Real are currently headed for). Keep in mind the 96 points was in the context that Pellegrini had fewer games than Mourinho having been knocked out of everything else. At the end of the day, Pellegrini failed at every single hurdle: 1) He failed to arrest his side's slide to a 4th tier side (let alone come remotely close to winning the copa) 2) He failed to win a single knockout CL match 3) He failed to beat or even draw against Barca in a single game 4) He failed to improve on last years league position I'm not necessarily saying achieving just any one of these would have saved his job, but at the end of the day he was a failure almost any reasonable measure of the season. I repeat, at every single challenge during the season, he failed. On April 28 2011 17:05 TranceStorm wrote:And consider this, if Mourinho were not Mourinho, would his performances be viewed in the same way? Of course not. At the same time, Mourinho has things going for him in terms of unsackability: 1) He won something 2) He won a knockout tie (actually, 3 no less!) 3) He has a longer contract with higher pay (making it expensive to sack him) 4) There is no obvious choice to replace him (say Rafa Benitez and I will shoot you) 5) He did beat Barcelona (in a match that matters no less) | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
It doesnt even matter if Pepe hits Alves or the ball. The way Pepe takes on the challenge is red. Straight leg (foot up?) with studs first in "mid-air". This is deliberatly endangering the safety of the opponent and therefore clear red. If he hits Alves in a bad way the leg is broken. Only worse foul is when he's attacking the standing leg in the same way (because then the leg is broken 100%) This whole "hits the ball" / "hits the player" stuff is applicable when talking about tackles (not from behind, or 2 leg) not in this kind of situation. Overall the whole game was pretty boring. And I wish the referee would've booked some players for discussing/complaining. Oh - and I hate the crying / simulating players (Alves *cough*). They should be fined post game for acting. But well... FIFA shit... | ||
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Demand2k
Norway875 Posts
Mourinho getting raped like he did yesterday is good for football! He represents unentertaining football that's only about being effective. If the sport was an experiment within a box, sure. But fact is the whole sport is either directly or indirectly driven by the fans' money. It should be a minimum to have an entertainment component in any team's strategy. Barcelona was beautiful to watch as always, I really love the suspense of Tiki Taka. It's sort of like siding with the Terran in a TvP. The MU may look dull for others, but it's a fantastic sight. | ||
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Greem
730 Posts
On April 28 2011 18:27 Stimp wrote: Its foolish to say any playstyle deserves an autowin. If this is sarcasm , you probably didnt captured the whole idea. Win if it isn't deserved , means nothing for me. Is the joy that gonna consume itself faster then you'll taste it. This is still Barça-Madrid Thread, so i dont know when exactly Barça ever had autowin. | ||
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Stimp
South Africa780 Posts
Pepe was going for the ball. If he is not allowed to go for the ball then well why bother playing. I've seen rio ferdinand kick malouda in the head and not even get a yellow cause he was playing for the ball. Greem: by saying real should autolose because of their style, you imply barca should autowin by their style. | ||
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Vernom
Spain374 Posts
On April 28 2011 18:38 Zocat wrote: About the red card: It doesnt even matter if Pepe hits Alves or the ball. The way Pepe takes on the challenge is red. Straight leg (foot up?) with studs first in "mid-air". This is deliberatly endangering the safety of the opponent and therefore clear red. If he hits Alves in a bad way the leg is broken. Only worse foul is when he's attacking the standing leg in the same way (because then the leg is broken 100%) This whole "hits the ball" / "hits the player" stuff is applicable when talking about tackles (not from behind, or 2 leg) not in this kind of situation. Overall the whole game was pretty boring. And I wish the referee would've booked some players for discussing/complaining. Oh - and I hate the crying / simulating players (Alves *cough*). They should be fined post game for acting. But well... FIFA shit... Dangerous play without hitting = yellow Dangreous play hitting = red and what the fuck do you know if that is deliberated or not? he went to the ball, not to the leg (remember the ball is in the air). | ||
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Demand2k
Norway875 Posts
On April 28 2011 18:55 Stimp wrote: What you find entertaining is a matter of opinion. So please stop using that excuse. Pepe was going for the ball. If he is not allowed to go for the ball then well why bother playing. I've seen rio ferdinand kick malouda in the head and not even get a yellow cause he was playing for the ball. Greem: by saying real should autolose because of their style, you imply barca should autowin by their style. It doesn't matter what you go for when the play is dangerous. | ||
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