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CurLy[]
United States759 Posts
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On April 28 2011 07:21 SkelA wrote: Im glad that Barca won 2-0 and someone should ban Pepe from football. Anyone remember this? That is disgraceful. | ||
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
Acting in this game kind of ruins it for me. Kind of like how everyone always raises their hand when the ball is kicked out, even when it was obvious them who kicked it out. Should be treated the same as diving. But diving is even worse. | ||
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Asshat
593 Posts
On April 28 2011 08:22 Nazgral wrote: Glad Barca won really, hate to see money over skill! The way you say it it almost seems like Barcelona is a frugal team when its payroll is very similar to Madrid's. Plus, they are knee deep in debt. Had to loan 150m euros back in the 2nd semester of 2010 just so they could keep their players paid. | ||
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nPhenomenon
Norway4 Posts
On April 28 2011 08:45 Signet wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2011 08:33 nPhenomenon wrote: First of all, where does the expression "9" come from? I understand you are referring to strikers, but yea... Never heard of that. Messut? Who's that? If you're thinking of Messi, he was playing his fairly standard position. I don't know where it comes from, but it's a fairly standard terminology. In 2 striker formations, the strikers are 9 and 10. In single striker, the 9 is a striker and the 10 is attacking mid. He's referring to Mesut Ozil. Ok, ty for clarifying for me. Sorry if I sounded rash. (And I was dumb not to connect Messut and Mesut) | ||
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Spinfusor
Australia410 Posts
On April 28 2011 09:44 Asshat wrote: The way you say it it almost seems like Barcelona is a frugal team when its payroll is very similar to Madrid's. Actually Barca's payroll is higher than Madrid's (according to Deloitte). Over like the last 10 years, spending is about 1 billion vs 700 million (Madrid being higher). | ||
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wazZup
2 Posts
On April 28 2011 08:04 Freaky[x] wrote: Dude... possession means SHIT, . LMAO And how are RM supposed to score a goal if they don't have the ball?!?! | ||
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KiLL_ORdeR
United States1518 Posts
On April 28 2011 08:45 Matrijs wrote: Pepe's foot is up above the ball, closer to the camera, studs up, going into Dani Alves's leg. That said, I still think it should've been yellow, not red, because Pepe was clearly trying to get the ball. ![[image loading]](http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/599725/aspepe2.jpg) False, leading with you studs is definitely an auto yellow at the least. In addition, it's pepe, who is notorious for this shit, and it was a late challenge, so a red is certainly the right call. | ||
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Matrijs
United States147 Posts
On April 28 2011 10:11 KiLL_ORdeR wrote: False, leading with you studs is definitely an auto yellow at the least. In addition, it's pepe, who is notorious for this shit, and it was a late challenge, so a red is certainly the right call. I don't think it was that late - I had to look at the replay to be totally sure he didn't get the ball, which means he was at least close. I certainly agree that it has to be a card of some kind, at least yellow, and I see your point about Pepe's reputation. It's a defensible red, but I would rather it were a yellow. | ||
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Suisen
256 Posts
He goes studs first downward. This is never a way to go towards the ball. Even if he hit the ball clear of hitting Alves, it would have been a yellow. If you hack downward with your studs towards the ball, it is a foul and a serious one. It is against the rules. You have to kick the ball. You either go with the point horizontally, sideways with the inside or upward vertically. Secondly, he is way too late. He is completely missing the ball. There's like a ball's with or more between where he hits and where the ball is. This is a crazy distance for a soccer player who have refined skills about hitting the ball at exactly the right place. Don't be fooled about that he is hitting where the ball used to be. Also, he is not just too late. He goes over the ball. Not after it. He can surely anticipate how a ball will bounce. Yet he moves straight on without pulling back his leg or trying to kick the ball. This means he knew he was going to miss and was probably going to hit the player. But he does not hold back. He does not abort his 'attempt' to hit the ball. This means this is not only a red card foul. It means this is a deliberate red card foul. You also have to slide or tackle away from your opponent. You have to get in between your opponent and the man and slide away from him and not into him. A lot of tackles are allowed that are technically against the rules. Especially in the UK. You can't hack straight into your opponent and hope to hit just the ball. Often this will work and people will praise that tackle, but in fact those are potentially bone breaking and ought to be banned. And the rules allow for that. This type of foul was also potentially bone breaking. If you hit someone right on the shin, it can break a leg. Not a lot of force is needed. You need to hit the 'sweet spot' and it will break. Breaking legs is quite a big risk in football. Especially at professional levels where the kinetic energy players is often big. Alves was moving his leg towards Pepe. He was lucky that he was able to pull it away. Often when a leg is broken the victim didn't see it coming or was just not able to pull away because of his balance. In this case Alves wasn't standing on that leg. If he was, his leg could have broken even if he saw it coming. Pepe has a reputation. There have been two games against Barca before this one. Madrid has been fouling as crazy. We probably know that Mourinho deliberately uses this tactic to intimidate Barca's players. Madrid has a huge advantage here. They have a lot of strong athletic players while Barca has smaller more finely build players. Pepe has been leading the fouling. Kraft surely saw those games and saw that Pepe ought to have a red card but was not given one. He knew Pepe was out to foul deliberately in those games. He knew Pepe had the intention to injure Barca players. Especially that other studs charge on Messi's foot. Because of this he had no doubts that this was a red and not a yellow, which he otherwise might have had. Not to mention Pepe is known to have no self control. I like his athleticism. But his behavior on the pitch is just not acceptable. He has no place there until he can control himself. He saw at once what you can't see in limitless slow motions from all angles. Be aware of your ignorance about this game. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
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Aristodemus
England2006 Posts
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
If anything, I think Pepe should have crushed that diving idiot in the face. Gosh I hate diving. | ||
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Suisen
256 Posts
It is impossible for a ref to give a fair ruling. This means a ref will continually be tricked by diving. A big part of the game is about influencing and tricking the referee. Why do you think football players continuously argue with the ref. It works. Rules are already a big part interpretation. And then when it is often impossible to see what happens right away, a ref has to guess. Also, a red card or penalty in modern high level football is huge. It's worth the dive big time. Compare it to poker. The amount you gain compared to what you risk losing is huge. If you play the game right, you dive. If you don't, you are stealing from yourself. If you don't dive, you are a bad player. In fact, if you are fouled and you don't dive, chances are you will not even get a foul awarded. Like 70% of the fouls are also dives. I have never seen a ref give both a foul and a dive. Why? Why not book both players if you truly care about stopping diving? Put in place video ref and book every dive regardless of it being a foul or not. You can't blame people for playing to win. It's like the same thing as saying you aren't allowed to cheese in SC because it is 'lame'. If you want to eliminate diving, change the rules so every dive gets punished and no dive results into an unfair penalty or red card. If you don't want to do that, don't complain. Right now the rules of football make diving a fair part of the game in the same way cheesing is fair in SC. Arguing about the intentions of the game designers is irrelevant. What is important is what the rules mean right now. | ||
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Spinfusor
Australia410 Posts
And, Pepe is evil so he should get a red card? lol... FYI guys, the fouls were 22 vs 18. You'd think it was 50 vs 5 from the way some idiots in this thread talk. | ||
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Suisen
256 Posts
Pepe himself said like something that he was so ashamed and worried about his lack of self control he thought about retiring himself. Pepe being 'evil' is why the ref had no doubts about giving a red. Often a ref gives a player the benefit of the doubt and gives a yellow when it ought to be red. The ref can't review so he can be sure. If he isn't sure, and he often isn't in the case of a red card fault, he will give yellow. Football isn't a fair game. Pepe failed at influencing the ref in the right way. Any ref will be biased against Pepe. It's like Idra being known to be weak to cheese. He'll get cheesed more. Same with Pepe. He will get red cards earlier. Their mistake in both cases. Also, you can measure in that still how far away he is from the ball. And after he misses the ball he goes for the player's leg. If you played the game you know when a player goes over the ball to hit the player. Just because he goes past the ball doesn't mean he goes for the ball. They look completely different. It's ignorance and you should be ashamed. Especially in this case because this was potentially leg breaking. | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On April 28 2011 11:02 Klogon wrote: If anything, I think Pepe should have crushed that diving idiot in the face. Gosh I hate diving. I dunno man, he gets shoved in the back and even though he doesn't need to go down I wouldn't criticize any player for going down when they get pushed inside the box. At least, I wouldn't criticize them very much. And then kicking him and then studding him in the back when the ball is nowhere near either of you...not malicious exactly but dangerously careless. | ||
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Spinfusor
Australia410 Posts
You really are coming off as a dickhead, not just for completely disregarding facts, but then going on a calling people ignorant for it. Is your name Pedro Rodriguez perchance? Also, note I didn't offer an opinion of the foul (just your misrepresentations) in response to your post so stop trying to drag me into a rubbish argument. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
Mourinho's comments after the game are gonna be delicious  | ||
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Suisen
256 Posts
Barcelona cheat too. They know the ref also knows they play the more aesthetically appealing football. They also know the ref doesn't want to be the one who doesn't give a red card when someone breaks Messi's leg. Ref will get huge backlash. So Barca dive. No way around it. Solution is not to let them dive and hope the ref doesn't fall for it. And every time when a Barca player hits the grass, claim it was a dive no matter what. This is what you see each game. Why do you think when it is offside, the defenders will hold up their arm? Every time the ref has to make a decision you act like you really believe it ought to be in your advantage. It works. The rules of football aren't even enforced anymore. They aren't taken literally. They no longer apply. Football right now has unwritten rules. You can hold your opponent with both hands but only if it is a corner kick of free kick. If you do the same thing during normal play, you will be fouled. But everyone can hold and drag each other during a corner. This isn't in the rules, but you see it like 20 to 30 times every game. You can't deny reality. If you can't accept refs will use information about players that are known to intentionally foul or dive often, you are ignorant once again. This is not how it works. Don't be naive. Famous divers get less penalties. Famous foulers get more red cards. Refs can't be sure as they have no replay and it's extremely hard to make an accurate judgment. I hate players who deliberately make fouls that can break legs. I don't care for either team. | ||
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