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Spinfusor
Profile Joined June 2007
Australia410 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-28 02:42:22
April 28 2011 02:42 GMT
#741
You seem to have a talent for missing the point. If you are arguing whether Pepe's challenge was red card worthy or not, Pepe's reputation has nothing to do with it. It is an unwritten rule that minor wrestling is permitted in the the penalty area during corners. It is not an unwritten rule that people that have a reputation for harder fouls means their fouls are upgraded per se.

If you are arguing whether Pepe is an idiot for making the foul in the context, and that context is coloured by the notion a referee might be more inclined to believe someone against Pepe, than that is obviously true, but not exactly something anyone is arguing.
Suisen
Profile Joined April 2011
256 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-28 02:47:34
April 28 2011 02:46 GMT
#742
No, I am not missing the point. You are straw manning. This is a red card and it is obvious and I gave many arguments. I also said other things, which were not arguments about why the foul was a red card. It was a reason why he was given a red card.

People argue a ref doesn't always give a red card for this. This is true. That is what I explain. Often red card fouls get no red card because the ref has doubts.
I know of quite a number of challenges that did in fact break legs but that received no red card only in the last 12 months.

How is one an unwritten rule but the other isn't. Both are known to be true. What's the difference? You like the one but don't like the other?

You really blame refs for trying to use all the info they have to make a judgment knowing they have such limited information on which to base a ruling already? You really deny Pepe's reputation had nothing to do with him getting the red card even though for us watching the replay, it was obvious?
Spinfusor
Profile Joined June 2007
Australia410 Posts
April 28 2011 02:49 GMT
#743
Christ you really are hopeless. "You really deny Pepe's reputation had nothing to do with him getting the red card even though for us watching the replay, it was obvious?" So? Barcelona's whining probably had something to do with it too. BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT. How many times do I also need to restate I never gave an opinion on the the foul in response to your post?

I'm done. Here is a picture for your enjoyment:
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Suisen
Profile Joined April 2011
256 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-28 02:54:10
April 28 2011 02:52 GMT
#744
Well, next time try to read more carefully and try to stay more cool headed even though you favour one of the teams. It will prevent you from getting frustrated.


You never saw me get angry at you for lying in your posts, did you? You did in fact do that but I just let it fly.
Spinfusor
Profile Joined June 2007
Australia410 Posts
April 28 2011 02:52 GMT
#745


In case anyone feels like making up their own mind.
Runnin
Profile Joined May 2010
208 Posts
April 28 2011 02:54 GMT
#746
I wonder if all the people spouting off possession stats like zombies keep pressure on their opponents 100% of the time every game of SC. Just remember next time you wait on your weapons upgrade, saturated 3rd, etc that you are ANTI-STARCRAFT and a disgrace to the game for not constantly taking the game to your opponent.
Spinfusor
Profile Joined June 2007
Australia410 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-28 03:02:08
April 28 2011 03:01 GMT
#747
Oops, that stat I quoted with fouls being 22 vs 18 is wrong. It's 25 (Barca) vs 21 (Madrid) according to UEFA. Alternatively 22 vs 18 according to the Guardian (again, Barca with more fouls).
RoseTempest
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada196 Posts
April 28 2011 03:05 GMT
#748
On April 28 2011 11:54 Runnin wrote:
I wonder if all the people spouting off possession stats like zombies keep pressure on their opponents 100% of the time every game of SC. Just remember next time you wait on your weapons upgrade, saturated 3rd, etc that you are ANTI-STARCRAFT and a disgrace to the game for not constantly taking the game to your opponent.


Because, ya know, that comparison is completely relevant.

Hurp Durp.
xxxxxxb
Profile Joined October 2009
155 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-28 03:15:53
April 28 2011 03:12 GMT
#749
If you can compare sc and football that way, then you can say that Mourinho did the ultimate bronze league 1base mass cannon strat.
God, I love seeing this guy so mad. When he wins, he is the special one and when he loses is always someone else's foult. And now that he is on Madrid he just got even worse because he has to justify the millions they spent on him and the model guy that always disappears on important matches. Oh and don't forget the trashtalk.

And you can see their mentality on their declarations: "11vs11 its 0-0". That's the best they can aim to, a draw.
Runnin
Profile Joined May 2010
208 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-28 03:41:04
April 28 2011 03:39 GMT
#750
On April 28 2011 12:05 RoseTempest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2011 11:54 Runnin wrote:
I wonder if all the people spouting off possession stats like zombies keep pressure on their opponents 100% of the time every game of SC. Just remember next time you wait on your weapons upgrade, saturated 3rd, etc that you are ANTI-STARCRAFT and a disgrace to the game for not constantly taking the game to your opponent.


Because, ya know, that comparison is completely relevant.

Hurp Durp.


Explain how it isn't. Face it, you're clueless about football if you think passing around the center circle means you're incredible. The tactical discipline shown by Mourinho teams without the ball impresses me much, much more than Pique/Xavi/Puyol keep ball sessions. Perhaps a better example would be Idra fan boys who insist that he deserves to win every time someone prevents him from playing a macro game - they're neglecting an important aspect of the sport/game just because it disrupts what they have arbitrarily decided is the "right" way to play.

Try thinking instead of spewing herp derps next time.

On April 28 2011 12:12 xxxxxxb wrote:
And you can see their mentality on their declarations: "11vs11 its 0-0". That's the best they can aim to, a draw.


Someone isn't up to date with the Copa Del Rey final...
TheMusiC
Profile Joined January 2004
United States1054 Posts
April 28 2011 03:41 GMT
#751
you can tell pretty clearly from that video that the ball definitely turns back the other way AFTER alves gets a touch on it, which means pepe caught the ball with the bottom of his cleats. after pepe's contact with the ball though alves definitely had to move out of the way to avoid getting hit with the studs. he play-acted like a bitch, but he needed to move to avoid the studs. the foul got all the press, but people are ignoring the fact that after this, alves had to be taken off the pitch ON A STRETCHER, then came back in less than a minute later. why is he not getting any shit for this? a player from ghana did this during the world cup last summer to waste time and they were hugely criticized by the press for it, so why does alves get a free pass?

anyway, i thought it was a yellow when i saw it and i still think it's a yellow. pepe does some stupid shit, but this one foul is not deserving of a straight red i don't think.
ilbh
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil1606 Posts
April 28 2011 03:49 GMT
#752
On April 28 2011 11:49 Spinfusor wrote:
Christ you really are hopeless. "You really deny Pepe's reputation had nothing to do with him getting the red card even though for us watching the replay, it was obvious?" So? Barcelona's whining probably had something to do with it too. BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT. How many times do I also need to restate I never gave an opinion on the the foul in response to your post?

I'm done. Here is a picture for your enjoyment:
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lol he didn't know where to fake it, if in the head or chest. this is so dirty...
Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
April 28 2011 04:03 GMT
#753
Lololol, Busquets is such an idiot. :D
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-28 05:22:22
April 28 2011 05:02 GMT
#754
On April 28 2011 06:02 Airship wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2011 05:58 Stimp wrote:
There is no such thing as anti-football.


Fucking thank you. Do you people seriously think Real Madrid weren't trying to win? Restricting an opponent's movement and slowing down their passing play isn't an attempt to play outside of the rules, it's actually part of how you really play football.

Every team wants to win, every one.
But if we look at how Mourinho played tactically in this game , he was aiming for not losing rather than winning.


On April 28 2011 11:52 Spinfusor wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo_QGzZjIqo

In case anyone feels like making up their own mind.

? a player doesnt necesarily have to touch the player to get carded. That was a clear red , leaving the cleats into someone else's leg like that, he could have broken its f.. leg.
Not even gonan rant complain about Marcelon's stepping on Pedro's leg

edit: Plus he did manage to touch his leg , so thats not even a question it was a red.
Z.Kw
Profile Joined February 2009
China297 Posts
April 28 2011 05:25 GMT
#755
Intent? He clearly went for the ball... and contact was minimal.
Stimp
Profile Joined November 2010
South Africa780 Posts
April 28 2011 05:37 GMT
#756
I laugh every time i hear the claim 'people who disagree with the red know nothing about football' after watching commentators and then pundits all declare it was an extremely harsh red. The ref was clearly influenced by barcelonas specialty of crowding the ref's. And then to bring up an old rash challenge, wow, why he even play pepe if he deserves a red card for breathing.

And possession isn't everything. Barca had most of the possession against chelsea in the ovrebo game but only had one shot on target. Quoting one stat is useless.

Arsenal had 0 shots and 1 goal against Barcelona. they must be the best team on the planet, for scoring without trying.

We all saw the true face of barca last night. No wonder some of us find it very hard to like that bunch of muppets.
Don't count your apples before they've... grown
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-28 06:06:30
April 28 2011 06:04 GMT
#757
On April 28 2011 14:25 Z.Kw wrote:
Intent? He clearly went for the ball... and contact was minimal.

yes , only problem was he forgot there was a player already there
Studs up + coming in late + ball not close= Red
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
April 28 2011 06:12 GMT
#758
On April 28 2011 11:52 Spinfusor wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo_QGzZjIqo

In case anyone feels like making up their own mind.

Judging by posts above me, some people would rather just imagine what happen.

CLEARLY no contact and no intent, it can't possibly be a red. The most you could argue is that it could be a yellow because possibly it's over aggressive. But honestly if the Barce play doesn't roll around like an idiot, then the game just plays on with no card at all.
Incidents like that happen multiple times around the pitch during a game.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
April 28 2011 06:30 GMT
#759
You dont see "multiple times" a player challenge for a ball with their cleats up.
If Alvez literally didnt move away his leg right in that moment , Pepe's shoes would had go into his legs with full force.
Dumb move by Pepe even tho there arguibly wasn't any intent.
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11075 Posts
April 28 2011 06:48 GMT
#760
I think Mourinho's rant has some credence. Barcelona gets some fishy reffing. Drogba was right to call that semi a disgrace, and some of the play acting today was disgraceful.

No way in hell is pepe's tackle a red. He made solid contact with the ball first.

Anyway hopefully mourinho's mindgames payoff later.
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