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On April 28 2011 18:55 Stimp wrote:
What you find entertaining is a matter of opinion. So please stop using that excuse.
Pepe was going for the ball. If he is not allowed to go for the ball then well why bother playing. I've seen rio ferdinand kick malouda in the head and not even get a yellow cause he was playing for the ball.
Greem: by saying real should autolose because of their style, you imply barca should autowin by their style.
Sir more and more you sound like a blind R.Madrid supporter. I however watch Football , and i always will defend any team with football Philosophy and not a Rugby one. What i find entertaining is football, pure football.If today is Barça , so be it.
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On April 28 2011 18:56 Vernom wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2011 18:38 Zocat wrote:
About the red card:
It doesnt even matter if Pepe hits Alves or the ball.
The way Pepe takes on the challenge is red.
Straight leg (foot up?) with studs first in "mid-air". This is deliberatly endangering the safety of the opponent and therefore clear red. If he hits Alves in a bad way the leg is broken. Only worse foul is when he's attacking the standing leg in the same way (because then the leg is broken 100%)
This whole "hits the ball" / "hits the player" stuff is applicable when talking about tackles (not from behind, or 2 leg) not in this kind of situation.
Overall the whole game was pretty boring. And I wish the referee would've booked some players for discussing/complaining. Oh - and I hate the crying / simulating players (Alves *cough*). They should be fined post game for acting. But well... FIFA shit...
Dangerous play without hitting = yellow Dangreous play hitting = red and what the fuck do you know if that is deliberated or not? he went to the ball, not to the leg (remember the ball is in the air).
"Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force and endangering the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play."
Serious foul play -> red card. Look it up.
deliberatly, because he doesnt pull back.
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On April 28 2011 19:07 Greem wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2011 18:55 Stimp wrote:
What you find entertaining is a matter of opinion. So please stop using that excuse.
Pepe was going for the ball. If he is not allowed to go for the ball then well why bother playing. I've seen rio ferdinand kick malouda in the head and not even get a yellow cause he was playing for the ball.
Greem: by saying real should autolose because of their style, you imply barca should autowin by their style. Sir more and more you sound like a blind R.Madrid supporter. I however watch Football , and i always will defend any team with football Philosophy and not a Rugby one. What i find entertaining is football, pure football.If today is Barça , so be it.
I support Chelsea.
I'm just saying, it's in your opinion what entertains you. Doesn't give you the right to say this is right and so and so deserved to lose because you didn't like the tactic. I can appreciate good tactics when I see them.
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The theater orchestrated by Mourinho and conspiracy theories are something I could live without. Also some poster earlier in this thread pointed out that these brawls on the pitch and moaning to the ref are a norm in South America but to me its absurd how some of those players can't keep their mouth shut and focus on the game while they're being paid millions of euros a year.
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Next year if mourinho stays i think he will win barca. Give him 2 yrs. First year is too rush and the real madrid team don't like or not used to defending yet. Inter took 2 yrs to gel and they have more players ready to adhere to mourinho tactics because they are italian side.
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On April 28 2011 18:00 Greem wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2011 05:16 noezke wrote:
I can't actually remember a barce game i've enjoyed, so dull. I pitty you so much, this is no doubt the best team i've seen playing, even better then old Barça "dream team", or epic R.Madrid with Zidane, Figo ,Beckham,Ronaldo,R.Carlos, etc.
heh, those galacticos teams circa 2004 didn't win a whole lot of silverware, but man were they entertaining to watch especially when everyone was motivated to win, which unfortunately was not all the time. michael owen was on that team too i believe.
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Barça is better, but hell, they always win with referee help, im tired of that
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Pepe has a history of horrible fouls and losing his temper, remember him being suspended for 10 consecutive matches? (which were still 10 too few in my opinion) This was a well deserved red card, there really can be no arguing about this. Just man the fuck up and take your loss and don't bring out all these rediculous conspiracy theories Madrid.
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On April 28 2011 22:17 wase wrote:
Barça is better, but hell, they always win with referee help, im tired of that
QFT, what a horrible referee.
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The reason so many legs are broken in modern football is because of the arguments given here that it wasn't a red card.
If this interpretation of the rules truly were correct the rules need to be changed tomorrow.
Do you really believe football ought to have rules that allow for challenges to break legs? Should it really be part of the game? Really?
Sickening!
As for Madrid fans arguing Barca didn't play fair. What hypocrisy. Mourinho, who I respect, is exactly the person who doesn't play fair and does everything to win. But don't complain about Barca players simulating. You really believe Mourinho said to his players before the match: "Ok first and foremost, we are going to play fair. No tricking of the ref, no diving, no arguing, no intimidation. Let's just win the game on skill alone."
No. So stop being a hypocrite.
Madrid cheat, Barca cheat. Barca got lucky with the reffing. Barca then won the game convincingly 10 vs 11. That's how football works, sadly. Don't blame the ref or Barca. Blame Blatter or Pepe.
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Was alves's leg broken? How long was he down for? Don't make the challenge out to be more than it was. He got the ball, his studs were down. Just because Alves does a spin like a ballerina doesn't change anything.
And the rules are EXACTLY like that. De Jong broke ben arfas leg, but it was a yellow card challenge. Accidents happen, but it is actually pretty damn hard to break a leg.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11833_6901501,00.html
Wow I can't stand these guys
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It was a "hard" but "ok" red card.
I don't see any reason to argue about this...
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Well, you are proof of my position. Like I said, how the rules in the UK are interpreted is wrong and damaging to the game. De Jong got no red. He should have gotten a red 100%. Like I said, this happens many times each year.
Any tackle that risks breaking a leg ought to be red and is red most of the time outside of the UK. This was a German ref. He gives red when he thinks he saw it accurately. These tackles end careers.
You can do the math and calculate the kinetic energy of Pepe's challenge. He almost hit Alves leg at an angle that would transfer all that force at a close to 90 degree angle. Pepe has no control over what Alves did. That no leg was broken is due to Alves, not to Pepe. Pepe is still responsible for making a leg breaking tackle. And it doesn't take much to break a leg. Just look at De Jong, which you brought up. It's not an accident. It was a deliberate tackle by De Jong. He thinks they are allowed because of poor reffing in the UK. Poor reffing broke Ben Arva's leg.
You are a disgrace to the game. No more broken legs and silly challenges! Clean up the game.
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It was his trailing leg.
There was no chance of Pepe breaking Alves's leg.
Edit: actually I'm going to stop arguing with Barcelona fans. There is no hope.
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On April 28 2011 22:46 Suisen wrote:
Well, you are proof of my position. Like I said, how the rules in the UK are interpreted is wrong and damaging to the game. De Jong got no red. He should have gotten a red 100%. Like I said, this happens many times each year.
Any tackle that risks breaking a leg ought to be red and is red most of the time outside of the UK. This was a German ref. He gives red when he thinks he saw it accurately. These tackles end careers.
You are a disgrace to the game. No more broken legs and silly challenges! Clean up the game.
Maybe they should hand out yellows for diving/acting/yelling at the ref.. Barca might be in trouble ^^
Well I think it's safe to say Man U v Barca? Maybe they'll find a ref that can't fuck that up.
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On April 28 2011 22:49 Megatronn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2011 22:46 Suisen wrote:
Well, you are proof of my position. Like I said, how the rules in the UK are interpreted is wrong and damaging to the game. De Jong got no red. He should have gotten a red 100%. Like I said, this happens many times each year.
Any tackle that risks breaking a leg ought to be red and is red most of the time outside of the UK. This was a German ref. He gives red when he thinks he saw it accurately. These tackles end careers.
You are a disgrace to the game. No more broken legs and silly challenges! Clean up the game. Well I think it's safe to say Man U v Barca? Maybe they'll find a ref that can't fuck that up.
Yeah because the 2009 CL final Barca vs Manu was decided by the ref.
HERP DERP
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If they apply the rules, 100% of the games will be ended because one team will not have 8 players left.
You can't suddenly switch from not applying the written rules and going with the unwritten rules which both players and refs know, to applying to discarded written rules.
You really want to see every CL match be a match about who can keep 8 players on the pitch for the longest?
They can't go back to applying the real rules, just like that. They went way to far down the slippery slope.
At the highest level so many games get decided by a ref decision. The differences are very small. Many teams play defensively. It's hard to score a goal. This means often a game is decided by 1 moment.
Playing 10 vs 11 is huge. Getting a penalty is huge. Refs decide the outcome of games.
Edit: actually I'm going to stop arguing with Barcelona fans. There is no hope.
lol, you think I am a barca fan? If anything, I am a Dutch national team fan.
De Jong was a disgrace to football. And Alonso is a Madrid/Spain player. De Jong breaks 2 legs a year, if he is lucky. And let's not start about v Bommel's skills in influencing refs and Robben's diving.
You should stop be delusional and inventing fantasies to explain why someone disagrees with you. Until you do, there's no hope for you.
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On April 28 2011 22:55 Suisen wrote:You should stop be delusional and inventing fantasies to explain why someone disagrees with you. Until you do, there's no hope for you.
I accuse you of being a Barca fan like I am accused of being a real fan, sorry.
PS de jong has broken 2 or 3 legs in his entire career. Well I think it's three. Ben Arfa and Holden come to mind. Not sure about a third
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I don't accuse you of being a real fan. I accuse you of being a person who wants to allow bone breaking horror tackles, which you admitted to. My accusation was accurate while you have been delusional about several things.
Find me some other player that broke 3 legs in his entire career. De Jong did it in a very short time. He seems to have cleaned up his game. But his argument was that he was falsely accused of making horror tackles. And he wasn't that wrong because many people including the ref argue they weren't.
As a Dutch national team fan I remember quite a few challenges that could have resulted in broken bones as well. He could have broken like 5 or 6 in 3 years time. And this all started after he went to the Premier League and the 'crazy' refs that have there.
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What am I delusional about?
I never said I condone leg breaking challenges. I just know that stuff like that happens. 99% of the time its a rush of blood to the head bad tackle. No one intends to break someones leg, shit happens.
No way in hell would Pepe's challenge have broken any leg.
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