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ApocAlypsE007
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Israel1007 Posts
April 27 2011 21:04 GMT
#661
The penalty fest 2 years ago, the peekaboo by Busquets 1 year ago, and the crap show by Alves 2day... WTF IS GOING ON HERE EUFA?!
I'm playing the game, the one that will take me to my end, i'm waiting for the rain, TO WASH-- WHO I AM!!!
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
April 27 2011 21:05 GMT
#662
On April 28 2011 05:58 Airship wrote:
2) Counter-attacking. In most competitive sports it's considered an art form. You see fighters in the ring concede initiative all the time. People use the possession stat as a shorthand for who has been in control of the match all the time because it usually works, but it doesn't always, and until the second half it didn't particularly mean much in this tie. I feel like I'm having to explain this to a baby.


I'm not going to pretend I'm an expert on football, but I'd consider the way Germany was counterattacking during the WC an art. What Real Madrid did tonight... eh, not so much.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Airship
Profile Joined August 2010
United States465 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-27 21:07:01
April 27 2011 21:06 GMT
#663
The thing is, while Madrid were trying it, Barcelona have a really good disciplined defense. It just never really gets mentioned by most clueless Barca fans. I do feel like it is a good way to try to face up against Barca if you've got the ability.
ZeraToss
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1094 Posts
April 27 2011 21:06 GMT
#664
nice job barca, gl in next match

<3 messi
"Personality should be irrelevant. This is a computer game tournament, not a dating show." EGIdrA on "introduce yourself and say something about your personality" Idra <3
Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
April 27 2011 21:07 GMT
#665
On April 28 2011 06:02 Airship wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2011 05:58 Stimp wrote:
There is no such thing as anti-football.


Fucking thank you. Do you people seriously think Real Madrid weren't trying to win? Restricting an opponent's movement and slowing down their passing play isn't an attempt to play outside of the rules, it's actually part of how you really play football.


I thought having the ball at any given point was supposed to be part of football as well, instead of letting your opponent have it all the time (though i know what you mean).

In the end, whoever scores one more goal than the opponent wins, thus wins. (And everyone would sign for winning the champions league while having 1% possession).

Its just not a team i personally enjoy watching and therefor hope they lose badly
There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit is unconquered. | Cheering for Maru, Innovation and MMA!
Stuv
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Netherlands942 Posts
April 27 2011 21:08 GMT
#666
Of course Real tries to win a game. But a game is more than only winning. I grew up being an Ajax-fan. Football is also about entertaining your own crowd and trying to combine that with results. If you only go for results you play anti-football.

If you grow up in such a culture you can not fantom why people enjoy that boring play like Real does with their 3 defending midfielders.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6204 Posts
April 27 2011 21:09 GMT
#667
On April 28 2011 06:06 Airship wrote:
The thing is, while Madrid were trying it, Barcelona have a really good disciplined defense. It just never really gets mentioned by most clueless Barca fans. I do feel like it is a good way to try to face up against Barca if you've got the ability.


It's not like madrid tried anything else than defend... If you even position pepe on the midfield then the intentions are clear.
Btw you're as much as an anti fan as others are Barca fans and there is no need to call people clueless either.
Airship
Profile Joined August 2010
United States465 Posts
April 27 2011 21:10 GMT
#668
If you can't appreciate the defensive aspect of the game, it's like being an MMA fan without understanding the ground game. We all love a fighter who stands and bangs but counterattacking jiu jitsu specialist Anderson Silva is the greatest pound for pound fighter.
Airship
Profile Joined August 2010
United States465 Posts
April 27 2011 21:14 GMT
#669
I do appreciate that flair football is very attractive, and that Barca are one of the best teams in the world by the way. My personal bugbear is with the fans that actually are clueless, and the people who don't understand Mourinho. I also might be somewhat irritable from a frustratingly poor game of football.
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-27 21:19:20
April 27 2011 21:16 GMT
#670
Overall I think Messi is godmode, seriously no one was ever near him that game. Got through half defense of Real Madrid.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Baz
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom289 Posts
April 27 2011 21:17 GMT
#671
On April 28 2011 06:03 Raavi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2011 05:51 Baz wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 28 2011 05:48 Tyree wrote:
After the initial blame on ref or some decisions, the blame in the spanish media will switch to Mourinho who utterly and totally got his tactics wrong.

Managers have been fired for winning titles in a boring fashion, he aint going to win anything but the meaningless cup and face exit because he decided to park the bus and hop for a fluke goal at home. For Real Madrid that is a digrace

He ****** up in a major way, and is the sole reason why they lost


Absoloute rubbish. His tactics were the sole reason Madrid were still in the game up until the sending off (which was a poor decision). Mourinho can be called a boring Manager, but never tactically poor. If Madrid had attacked Barca it could have been another 5-0, you simply do not try to "outplay" Barca, it can't be done


Ofcourse it can be done. If you watched some of barca's earlier games in la liga, against some of the minor teams. You'll notice that many of the teams who doesnt dare to play football against barca and just defend, end up losing. While teams, even really bad ones compared to barca, who just go 'fuck it, lets just give it a shot' actually manage to play up to barca.

You even saw it in the beginning of second half. Madrid came out blazing, they pressed barca and really started to control the game. Constant pressure, and barca made tons of mis-passing.
And then pepe sees red, and it all falsl apart


Erm, thats why Barca have gone 28 wins, 4 draws and 1 loss all season in La Liga. The only way to beat them is to be completely solid defensively and break at them with quality when you can
Spinfusor
Profile Joined June 2007
Australia410 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-27 21:18:49
April 27 2011 21:17 GMT
#672

Should be in every Barca thread.

But also this:
FatalT
Profile Joined July 2010
Norway162 Posts
April 27 2011 21:19 GMT
#673
Mourinho would look like a genious if RM won by won goal, but now he looks like a fool. Why bring Ronaldo on in a game like this if u aren't gonna try to attack more? Now he's in for a hell of task, he must attack on Camp Nou, and it can get ugly if Barcelona gets the first goal in that fixture. Man Utd vs Barcelona in the finals 99,9%. Dunno who to root for there, love Man.Utd and Barcelona;d
I have always tried emulating particular roles of the old seasoned salmon
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6204 Posts
April 27 2011 21:25 GMT
#674
On April 28 2011 06:10 Airship wrote:
If you can't appreciate the defensive aspect of the game, it's like being an MMA fan without understanding the ground game. We all love a fighter who stands and bangs but counterattacking jiu jitsu specialist Anderson Silva is the greatest pound for pound fighter.


I can appreciate a good defense but going for so many defensive players and having no intentions of attacking isn't something I appreciate no. Plus barca has an outstanding defense and still try to be very offensive so yeah there are possibilities to have both a great defense and offense.
Sgany
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom790 Posts
April 27 2011 21:27 GMT
#675
An interesting quote
Mourinho: "The return game is mission impossible. Barcelona has qualified for the final."
NaDa <3, MMA <3, Bisu <3,
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
April 27 2011 21:30 GMT
#676
Ramos and Pepe suspended for return leg?
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Airship
Profile Joined August 2010
United States465 Posts
April 27 2011 21:30 GMT
#677
That you think Real Madrid truly had no intention of attacking belies your convictions. The defensive midfielders were part of a realistic game plan that expects Barcelona to keep the lion share of possession.
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
April 27 2011 21:32 GMT
#678
On April 28 2011 06:19 FatalT wrote:
Mourinho would look like a genious if RM won by won goal, but now he looks like a fool. Why bring Ronaldo on in a game like this if u aren't gonna try to attack more? Now he's in for a hell of task, he must attack on Camp Nou, and it can get ugly if Barcelona gets the first goal in that fixture. Man Utd vs Barcelona in the finals 99,9%. Dunno who to root for there, love Man.Utd and Barcelona;d

Ronaldo is the ideal player to counterattack with. In the Copa finals and in the 1H today, Madrid were getting better opportunities by having 7 players defend and Di Maria, Ozil, Ronaldo counter. Trying to be balanced is what got them 5-0'd.

Agree, Barca v United is virtually guaranteed. Now Barca have no reason to ever give RM a counterattack opportunity (just pass all game if they want), and Schalke just look bad.
Enchanted
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1609 Posts
April 27 2011 21:35 GMT
#679
On April 28 2011 05:52 Greem wrote:
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On April 28 2011 05:48 Megatronn wrote:
Ok so.. just my 2 cents. This referee loves Messi, not a joke I read an article about him saying how Messi was the best player in the world and he wanted to trade shirts with him after a game.. Pepe basically stopped Messi from creating too much danger the entire game. The referee takes out Pepe, the lynch pin, Messi scores 2 goals.. anyone want to say the referee didn't decide this game? =D


You country tag says it all my friend no offence, just head coach of R.Madrid , Pepe and they best player are from Portugal.

Yep, just ignore the post and point that out ;D.
Raavi
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark156 Posts
April 27 2011 21:36 GMT
#680
On April 28 2011 06:17 Baz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2011 06:03 Raavi wrote:
On April 28 2011 05:51 Baz wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 28 2011 05:48 Tyree wrote:
After the initial blame on ref or some decisions, the blame in the spanish media will switch to Mourinho who utterly and totally got his tactics wrong.

Managers have been fired for winning titles in a boring fashion, he aint going to win anything but the meaningless cup and face exit because he decided to park the bus and hop for a fluke goal at home. For Real Madrid that is a digrace

He ****** up in a major way, and is the sole reason why they lost


Absoloute rubbish. His tactics were the sole reason Madrid were still in the game up until the sending off (which was a poor decision). Mourinho can be called a boring Manager, but never tactically poor. If Madrid had attacked Barca it could have been another 5-0, you simply do not try to "outplay" Barca, it can't be done


Ofcourse it can be done. If you watched some of barca's earlier games in la liga, against some of the minor teams. You'll notice that many of the teams who doesnt dare to play football against barca and just defend, end up losing. While teams, even really bad ones compared to barca, who just go 'fuck it, lets just give it a shot' actually manage to play up to barca.

You even saw it in the beginning of second half. Madrid came out blazing, they pressed barca and really started to control the game. Constant pressure, and barca made tons of mis-passing.
And then pepe sees red, and it all falsl apart


Erm, thats why Barca have gone 28 wins, 4 draws and 1 loss all season in La Liga. The only way to beat them is to be completely solid defensively and break at them with quality when you can

Yeah because Barca in the end, simply is better. My point is that in the games were Barca had trouble was against teams that tried pressuring barca instead of just parking the bus.

The majority of barcas opponents play very defensively, and yet, barca still wins. Letting barca control the game and hoping for random chance at some point is not a very good idea.
Unless your in the situation like Inter-Barca last season. And even then its very risky. Just look at arsenal, was up 2 goals. Second leg they just parked the bus, and gave barca control, and lost.

Ofc. you need a solid defence, but you need a solid offence aswell. Madrid didnt have that, even with a very scary bench.

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