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On December 18 2012 20:25 oscar62 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 19:46 Zalithian wrote:
I feel that this game is about 50% as good as PS1. as a PS1 CLOSED BETA VET I strongly disagree, they've kept the gameplay damn close as long as you can get over the "cheap-to-play" hurdle it's a great experience
As a PS1 exclusive beta vet,
I disagree with your disagreement. The game isn't similar at all.
A lot of cool stuff from PS1 is just plain gone. The past few times I logged in, I just joined a giant platoon and ghost cap shit - because that's what everyone is doing for certs. You can't set up a good defense, and there's no incentive to defend in the first place. There is no real CE or anything. Infiltrators only have a temporary cloak. They don't infiltrate anything. Medics just want you to die so they can farm exp. They even want to res you to 5 HP so you can die asap and they can res you again.
Almost all the fighting takes place outdoors which means vehicles reign supreme. You never know where anyone is going because there's no lattice system. This game has no depth at all. Gen drops? Nope... Gal drops period? ....nope. Max crash? Nope... Infiltrators? Nope... just snipers who can temporarily cloak. The bases are a joke. No cont locks so your achievement of capping an entire continent is pretty much nothing. No sanc.
Then you play and get these 'upgrades' that are sidegrades. There's no sense of accomplishing anything. The game is totally dumbed down and shallow compared to PS1.
PS2 does two things better - firing weapons and graphics. Everything else is worse, imo.
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On December 19 2012 10:18 Zalithian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 20:25 oscar62 wrote:On December 18 2012 19:46 Zalithian wrote:
I feel that this game is about 50% as good as PS1. as a PS1 CLOSED BETA VET I strongly disagree, they've kept the gameplay damn close as long as you can get over the "cheap-to-play" hurdle it's a great experience As a PS1 exclusive beta vet, I disagree with your disagreement. The game isn't similar at all. A lot of cool stuff from PS1 is just plain gone. The past few times I logged in, I just joined a giant platoon and ghost cap shit - because that's what everyone is doing for certs. You can't set up a good defense, and there's no incentive to defend in the first place. There is no real CE or anything. Infiltrators only have a temporary cloak. They don't infiltrate anything. Medics just want you to die so they can farm exp. They even want to res you to 5 HP so you can die asap and they can res you again. Almost all the fighting takes place outdoors which means vehicles reign supreme. You never know where anyone is going because there's no lattice system. This game has no depth at all. Gen drops? Nope... Gal drops period? ....nope. Max crash? Nope... Infiltrators? Nope... just snipers who can temporarily cloak. The bases are a joke. No cont locks so your achievement of capping an entire continent is pretty much nothing. No sanc. Then you play and get these 'upgrades' that are sidegrades. There's no sense of accomplishing anything. The game is totally dumbed down and shallow compared to PS1. PS2 does two things better - firing weapons and graphics. Everything else is worse, imo.
I'd say PS2's flight mechanics are better than the original too. Overall though, PS2 is just a really dumbed down version of the original. It's like going from DOTA to LoL or Broodwar to SC2.
I miss real Infiltrators, indoor battles, multi-crew vehicles, proper support roles, being able to render more than a few dozen people, the lattice system, inventories and looting, weapons that weren't generic variants of a rifle, etc etc.
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Medics just want you to die so they can farm exp.
This is actually what I'm hoping for when I play with you guys. 
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On December 19 2012 10:18 Zalithian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 20:25 oscar62 wrote:On December 18 2012 19:46 Zalithian wrote:
I feel that this game is about 50% as good as PS1. as a PS1 CLOSED BETA VET I strongly disagree, they've kept the gameplay damn close as long as you can get over the "cheap-to-play" hurdle it's a great experience As a PS1 exclusive beta vet, I disagree with your disagreement. The game isn't similar at all. A lot of cool stuff from PS1 is just plain gone. The past few times I logged in, I just joined a giant platoon and ghost cap shit - because that's what everyone is doing for certs. You can't set up a good defense, and there's no incentive to defend in the first place. There is no real CE or anything. Infiltrators only have a temporary cloak. They don't infiltrate anything. Medics just want you to die so they can farm exp. They even want to res you to 5 HP so you can die asap and they can res you again. Almost all the fighting takes place outdoors which means vehicles reign supreme. You never know where anyone is going because there's no lattice system. This game has no depth at all. Gen drops? Nope... Gal drops period? ....nope. Max crash? Nope... Infiltrators? Nope... just snipers who can temporarily cloak. The bases are a joke. No cont locks so your achievement of capping an entire continent is pretty much nothing. No sanc. Then you play and get these 'upgrades' that are sidegrades. There's no sense of accomplishing anything. The game is totally dumbed down and shallow compared to PS1. PS2 does two things better - firing weapons and graphics. Everything else is worse, imo. ]
gunplay is dumbed down
air combat is improved
vehicles are the same
arguments about incentivisation are something completely other. the gameplay is solid.
as an exclusive alpha only friends&family pre-beta member u are full of crap
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On December 19 2012 15:27 oscar62 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 10:18 Zalithian wrote:On December 18 2012 20:25 oscar62 wrote:On December 18 2012 19:46 Zalithian wrote:
I feel that this game is about 50% as good as PS1. as a PS1 CLOSED BETA VET I strongly disagree, they've kept the gameplay damn close as long as you can get over the "cheap-to-play" hurdle it's a great experience As a PS1 exclusive beta vet, I disagree with your disagreement. The game isn't similar at all. A lot of cool stuff from PS1 is just plain gone. The past few times I logged in, I just joined a giant platoon and ghost cap shit - because that's what everyone is doing for certs. You can't set up a good defense, and there's no incentive to defend in the first place. There is no real CE or anything. Infiltrators only have a temporary cloak. They don't infiltrate anything. Medics just want you to die so they can farm exp. They even want to res you to 5 HP so you can die asap and they can res you again. Almost all the fighting takes place outdoors which means vehicles reign supreme. You never know where anyone is going because there's no lattice system. This game has no depth at all. Gen drops? Nope... Gal drops period? ....nope. Max crash? Nope... Infiltrators? Nope... just snipers who can temporarily cloak. The bases are a joke. No cont locks so your achievement of capping an entire continent is pretty much nothing. No sanc. Then you play and get these 'upgrades' that are sidegrades. There's no sense of accomplishing anything. The game is totally dumbed down and shallow compared to PS1. PS2 does two things better - firing weapons and graphics. Everything else is worse, imo. ] gunplay is dumbed down air combat is improved vehicles are the same arguments about incentivisation are something completely other. the gameplay is solid. as an exclusive alpha only friends&family pre-beta member u are full of crap
And a ton of the things Zal is complaining about, the devs have already said they are going to add
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You actually get significantly more certs in a good defense. The resource system is something they've said they're reworking numerous times (for putting incentives and such on resources).
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On December 19 2012 15:34 Beef Noodles wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 15:27 oscar62 wrote:On December 19 2012 10:18 Zalithian wrote:On December 18 2012 20:25 oscar62 wrote:On December 18 2012 19:46 Zalithian wrote:
I feel that this game is about 50% as good as PS1. as a PS1 CLOSED BETA VET I strongly disagree, they've kept the gameplay damn close as long as you can get over the "cheap-to-play" hurdle it's a great experience As a PS1 exclusive beta vet, I disagree with your disagreement. The game isn't similar at all. A lot of cool stuff from PS1 is just plain gone. The past few times I logged in, I just joined a giant platoon and ghost cap shit - because that's what everyone is doing for certs. You can't set up a good defense, and there's no incentive to defend in the first place. There is no real CE or anything. Infiltrators only have a temporary cloak. They don't infiltrate anything. Medics just want you to die so they can farm exp. They even want to res you to 5 HP so you can die asap and they can res you again. Almost all the fighting takes place outdoors which means vehicles reign supreme. You never know where anyone is going because there's no lattice system. This game has no depth at all. Gen drops? Nope... Gal drops period? ....nope. Max crash? Nope... Infiltrators? Nope... just snipers who can temporarily cloak. The bases are a joke. No cont locks so your achievement of capping an entire continent is pretty much nothing. No sanc. Then you play and get these 'upgrades' that are sidegrades. There's no sense of accomplishing anything. The game is totally dumbed down and shallow compared to PS1. PS2 does two things better - firing weapons and graphics. Everything else is worse, imo. ] gunplay is dumbed down air combat is improved vehicles are the same arguments about incentivisation are something completely other. the gameplay is solid. as an exclusive alpha only friends&family pre-beta member u are full of crap And a ton of the things Zal is complaining about, the devs have already said they are going to add
And when they do add it, the game will be passable. The promise that they'll add something in the future doesn't somehow make the game decent now.
Until then, I have to agree with pretty much everything that Zalithian said, and that I've heard a number of other people say about PS2 as well. As someone who didn't play PS1 (so I wasn't pre-alpha alpha original dev test member veteran like them people), I was hyped as hell for PS2 and put a lot of hours into it at release.
After the initial impressions about the scope and size of the battlefield have worn off however, there was just nothing left that's even remotely interesting to do in the game, and playing feels incredibly repetitive and meaningless.
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my argument is I think the game is very passable right now
it hinges on the cheap to play model. it's mandatory to spend 5-15 bucks for the full game, as most big upgrades cost ungodly certs.
imagine if you had to pay 5-20 dollars to unlock a 7th or 8th item slot or 3rd summoner spell in league of legends. that's basically the model of the game.
go this far (i recommend the triple SC deal this friday) and you'll have a great time with the game pretty akin to the ps1 "glory" days
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On December 19 2012 17:24 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 15:34 Beef Noodles wrote:On December 19 2012 15:27 oscar62 wrote:On December 19 2012 10:18 Zalithian wrote:On December 18 2012 20:25 oscar62 wrote:On December 18 2012 19:46 Zalithian wrote:
I feel that this game is about 50% as good as PS1. as a PS1 CLOSED BETA VET I strongly disagree, they've kept the gameplay damn close as long as you can get over the "cheap-to-play" hurdle it's a great experience As a PS1 exclusive beta vet, I disagree with your disagreement. The game isn't similar at all. A lot of cool stuff from PS1 is just plain gone. The past few times I logged in, I just joined a giant platoon and ghost cap shit - because that's what everyone is doing for certs. You can't set up a good defense, and there's no incentive to defend in the first place. There is no real CE or anything. Infiltrators only have a temporary cloak. They don't infiltrate anything. Medics just want you to die so they can farm exp. They even want to res you to 5 HP so you can die asap and they can res you again. Almost all the fighting takes place outdoors which means vehicles reign supreme. You never know where anyone is going because there's no lattice system. This game has no depth at all. Gen drops? Nope... Gal drops period? ....nope. Max crash? Nope... Infiltrators? Nope... just snipers who can temporarily cloak. The bases are a joke. No cont locks so your achievement of capping an entire continent is pretty much nothing. No sanc. Then you play and get these 'upgrades' that are sidegrades. There's no sense of accomplishing anything. The game is totally dumbed down and shallow compared to PS1. PS2 does two things better - firing weapons and graphics. Everything else is worse, imo. ] gunplay is dumbed down air combat is improved vehicles are the same arguments about incentivisation are something completely other. the gameplay is solid. as an exclusive alpha only friends&family pre-beta member u are full of crap And a ton of the things Zal is complaining about, the devs have already said they are going to add And when they do add it, the game will be passable. The promise that they'll add something in the future doesn't somehow make the game decent now. Until then, I have to agree with pretty much everything that Zalithian said, and that I've heard a number of other people say about PS2 as well. As someone who didn't play PS1 (so I wasn't pre-alpha alpha original dev test member veteran like them people), I was hyped as hell for PS2 and put a lot of hours into it at release. After the initial impressions about the scope and size of the battlefield have worn off however, there was just nothing left that's even remotely interesting to do in the game, and playing feels incredibly repetitive and meaningless.
Note: I've just gotten out of bed so the following paragraphs might not be perfectly formulated.
I don't see the same.
I'm often squad leader in a platoon which allows me to listen to the global command chatter which makes you really feel a bigger purpose. You don't just fight for certs or a base, you fight for faction domination.
Yesterday i was fighting with Zukhovs Platoon and we coordinated with 2 other platoons to take a tech plant against a huge force of TR. It was a several hour long struggle where each foot of the battlefield was heavily fought over in blood and metal. Several times we managed to get to the control point and every time we were pushed back again to the outposts and had to hold off the TR counterattack until we had room to send one platoon to regroup at the warpgate with new Vanguards and Reavers. We fought for 3 hours until the TR managed to push us back due to their superior numbers.
Taking the tech plant would have meant taking the continent and neither side wanted the other to accomplish that. All the time there was command chatter, flanks were organized, retreat and attack paths coordinated and squads were sent to surrounding bases to keep the connection to the warpgate up. There was no "We'll farm certs", there was only "We want this base".
When i log on to PS2, i look at the map and say to myself: "I want all of this to be blue when i log off."
Then i pick up my gun, holster my pistol and step out of the warpgate to join a squad that helps me achieve that goal.
When i see an important base under attack, i go there to defend.
When i see a poorly defended base, i go and take it.
I don't care about certs, i want the NC to win and i do whatever is neccessary to achieve that and i know, eventhough the Zerg won't do the same, there are other platoons and outfits out there on the battlefield relying on me doing my part as i can rely on them doing their part.
I don't see anything repetitive. Every battle has new challenges and while you fight on the same maps and the same bases, you fight against human opponents in a battle of strategy, much like Starcraft. Only your point of view is different, instead of seeing it from above, you are in the center of the action. It's still very much the same.
If you find PS2 meaningless and repetitive, i suggest you unlock the command chat and start to lead a platoon and do things differently. Do those galaxy drops. Do the base infiltration. Coordinate the bigger strategy with other squads.
Yes, many squads are bad, don't have voice communication, don't even fight at the same place and don't have any coordination. Many people are in Starcraft 2s bronze league. Step it up, invite people to your own squad and change that.
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Yes, many squads are bad, don't have voice communication, don't even fight at the same place and don't have any coordination. Many people are in Starcraft 2s bronze league. Step it up, invite people to your own squad and change that.
this is the core of what most people complain about. when you're BR5 and no idea where anything is the game feels uncoordinated and messy. when you play it with a group of any size of people with voice comm, then suddenly it's planetside 1 incarnate
what every PS1 player forgets is that, if you were a BR5 without an outfit in PS1, you felt just as helpless and tiny as you do in PS2. there's a lot of argument to be made for the balance triangle (ESF ARE OP) or un-inspired maps, but that's about as deep as you can fault the game in my eyes
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No matter how organized you are, there is still no real goal right now. That's actually the only problem I really have with the game right now but it makes me log in less recently.
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I disagree with both of those. I find that a lot of the faults are being shifted to people just not playing it right. The thing is that even the people who do play it right and have experience in organized squads are complaining about the same kinds of problems - lack of direction and structure, nothing to be gained by accomplishing the objectives, and so on.
You say you want your faction to win, but there really is no "win" in PS2. The game is designed around individual progression and certs (and by extension the microtranscation system), and it really makes zero difference who controls what on the map. If they wanted a game about large military operations, they should have designed a game with systems that facilitate and encourage that, rather than throw a bunch of players into a world, give them weapons and gear and have them fight for the sake of fighting.
If anything, from my experience it's more fun being a lone wolf and exploiting larger groups of people than it is being a part of an organized and communicating group. If there was something to actually accomplish in organized play, more people would be doing that and less people would Zerg or just mess around. As it is, unless you can get your fun just out of basically roleplaying in a virtual military op scenario, it's meaningless.
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Hey guys,
Just watched a review of this game and I'm really ashamed to say I never even knew it existed!! Downloading it right now. I am a COMPLETE noob and I'm watching the basics/guides right now. I'm guessing Outfits are the equivalent of Guilds/Clans/Teams.
How do I join the TL one? Looking forward to playing it.
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On December 19 2012 21:53 IRL_Sinister wrote:
Hey guys,
Just watched a review of this game and I'm really ashamed to say I never even knew it existed!! Downloading it right now. I am a COMPLETE noob and I'm watching the basics/guides right now. I'm guessing Outfits are the equivalent of Guilds/Clans/Teams.
How do I join the TL one? Looking forward to playing it.
We're on the Miller Server. Message me ingame:
/tell Morfildur invite to TL outfit please
Sadly the TL outfit on Miller is not really active though.
You can join the US East outfit on Mattherson though, just check the OP for the details, it's somewhere in there.
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Which would be the best one to join? Would lagg not factor in on US, considering it's a massive MMO (although I'm in Ireland).
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On December 19 2012 21:57 IRL_Sinister wrote:
Which would be the best one to join? Would lagg not factor in on US, considering it's a massive MMO (although I'm in Ireland).
US East doesn't lag that much. It has some hiccups for me sometimes, but it's very playable. Just keep in mind that the US East outfit doesn't always have many people online on EU times(gets better near evening times, but I've never been in a 12 man squad on US East before)
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On December 19 2012 22:40 Dust14 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 21:57 IRL_Sinister wrote:
Which would be the best one to join? Would lagg not factor in on US, considering it's a massive MMO (although I'm in Ireland). US East doesn't lag that much. It has some hiccups for me sometimes, but it's very playable. Just keep in mind that the US East outfit doesn't always have many people online on EU times(gets better near evening times, but I've never been in a 12 man squad on US East before)
Fortunately enough I generally game late at night due to work constraints 
EDIT: I can make chars on NA and EU?
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On December 19 2012 22:43 IRL_Sinister wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 22:40 Dust14 wrote:On December 19 2012 21:57 IRL_Sinister wrote:
Which would be the best one to join? Would lagg not factor in on US, considering it's a massive MMO (although I'm in Ireland). US East doesn't lag that much. It has some hiccups for me sometimes, but it's very playable. Just keep in mind that the US East outfit doesn't always have many people online on EU times(gets better near evening times, but I've never been in a 12 man squad on US East before) Fortunately enough I generally game late at night due to work constraints EDIT: I can make chars on NA and EU?
You can make a total of 3 characters and each can be on a different server.
US East Outfit is Terran Republic (the evil guys with the imba weapons)
EU Outfit is New Conglomerate (the good guys with the horrible weapons)
You can make 2 characters, one for each Outfit.
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On December 19 2012 22:55 Morfildur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 22:43 IRL_Sinister wrote:On December 19 2012 22:40 Dust14 wrote:On December 19 2012 21:57 IRL_Sinister wrote:
Which would be the best one to join? Would lagg not factor in on US, considering it's a massive MMO (although I'm in Ireland). US East doesn't lag that much. It has some hiccups for me sometimes, but it's very playable. Just keep in mind that the US East outfit doesn't always have many people online on EU times(gets better near evening times, but I've never been in a 12 man squad on US East before) Fortunately enough I generally game late at night due to work constraints EDIT: I can make chars on NA and EU? You can make a total of 3 characters and each can be on a different server. US East Outfit is Terran Republic (the evil guys with the imba weapons) EU Outfit is New Conglomerate (the good guys with the horrible weapons) You can make 2 characters, one for each Outfit.
Thank you, that is what I shall do then. The game is installing right now, I will /w you as soon as I'm online on EU!
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If anybody on NC HELIOS (us west) needs an outfit invite send me a PM on teamliquid
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