Elder Scrolls V - Skyrim - Page 106

On November 09 2011 06:14 Flameberger wrote:
Have a wedding taking up all of my 11th, and a party on the 12th before I get home. Fuuuuuuu

On November 09 2011 05:43 pzea469 wrote:
I want to play. But I swore an oath to myself that I would finish The Witcher(first one) before even touching it.

On November 09 2011 06:20 Xinder wrote:


Know what you should do? You should browse TL on your phone and then we can all post how kick ass this game is just so you get all frustrated at the wedding. :D All in good fun of course. <3

On November 09 2011 06:30 Whole wrote:

Why could we post about how awesome the game is when we could be using that time to play. lol

On November 09 2011 06:44 ThaZenith wrote:
The physical version is only activated by steam, but doesn't require it, right? They can't lock me out of my physical version, can they? >.>

On November 09 2011 06:32 cursor wrote:
I've played TES since Arena. Another one of those guys flashing his creds.

Each game, to me, has gotten more simplified. Less dynamic and more simple in terms of skills, stats, weakness/strengths, bonuses etc. I've already stated a lot of this in this thread, but just to set my base. I've been okay with it it so far, because the graphics always get better, I think the quests get a little better, and the music and story line also get a bit more complex.

But this one really bothers me, and if anyone can comment on it I would appreciate it.

No Attributes. No Strength, Intelligence, Agility, etc. Howard is always talking about making the classic RPG. And you remove fundamental attributes that have been in every RPG since DnD? Really? Talk about removing a whole Level of dynamics from the game. This really bothers me. That being said, I haven't played the game yet, and am only reading stuff that outlines how the game works so I can better understand it when I start to play.

To me, it feels like they are removing a whole layer of the game. The Attributes were the main modifiers for your skills, your skills were your main modifiers to in game activities, and then your in game activities seemed governed both by both the individual Skills you had developed, but also by the physical and mental attributes that your character had natrualy and that were enhanced by using the skills.

Just having no Strength also makes racial selection less meaningful. I mean really, how much are they going to dumb this down? I thought Oblivion felt pretty hollow compared to Morrowind, but IMO the biggest step down in Dynamics was from Daggerfall to Morrowind... which also came with the biggest upswing in graphics, quests, and NPC behavior.

Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse, Oblivion now looks like a pretty complicated game with Orcs having high Strength and Endurance and Elves having high Willpower and Intelligence... and modifying those is just one CHOICE to affecting skill advancement. Less choice here.

I was going to be big on Alchemy, looking forward to it, but without Fortify Strength or Willpower, without attributes there for Diseases to damage and Vamparism to enhance (such as speed)... what. the. hell. Can anyone speak on this who has played the game? Especially from the Viewpoint of whether Alchemy is worth my time as opposed to another crafting skill?

TYVM

On November 09 2011 06:46 ArYeS wrote:


As far as I know if you get your account banned (for any reason not limited to Skyrim) or Steam servers get nuked by <enter_random_comunist_country_with_nukes_here>. You won't be able to play Skyrim and you are left with nothing.

On November 09 2011 06:48 Logo wrote:
but also somewhat liberating in that there's not one 'best' race for a given playstyle based only on boring stats.

On November 09 2011 06:32 cursor wrote:
I've played TES since Arena. Another one of those guys flashing his creds.

Each game, to me, has gotten more simplified. Less dynamic and more simple in terms of skills, stats, weakness/strengths, bonuses etc. I've already stated a lot of this in this thread, but just to set my base. I've been okay with it it so far, because the graphics always get better, I think the quests get a little better, and the music and story line also get a bit more complex.

But this one really bothers me, and if anyone can comment on it I would appreciate it.

No Attributes. No Strength, Intelligence, Agility, etc. Howard is always talking about making the classic RPG. And you remove fundamental attributes that have been in every RPG since DnD? Really? Talk about removing a whole Level of dynamics from the game. This really bothers me. That being said, I haven't played the game yet, and am only reading stuff that outlines how the game works so I can better understand it when I start to play.

To me, it feels like they are removing a whole layer of the game. The Attributes were the main modifiers for your skills, your skills were your main modifiers to in game activities, and then your in game activities seemed governed both by both the individual Skills you had developed, but also by the physical and mental attributes that your character had natrualy and that were enhanced by using the skills.

Just having no Strength also makes racial selection less meaningful. I mean really, how much are they going to dumb this down? I thought Oblivion felt pretty hollow compared to Morrowind, but IMO the biggest step down in Dynamics was from Daggerfall to Morrowind... which also came with the biggest upswing in graphics, quests, and NPC behavior.

Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse, Oblivion now looks like a pretty complicated game with Orcs having high Strength and Endurance and Elves having high Willpower and Intelligence... and modifying those is just one CHOICE to affecting skill advancement. Less choice here.

I was going to be big on Alchemy, looking forward to it, but without Fortify Strength or Willpower, without attributes there for Diseases to damage and Vamparism to enhance (such as speed)... what. the. hell. Can anyone speak on this who has played the game? Especially from the Viewpoint of whether Alchemy is worth my time as opposed to another crafting skill?

TYVM

On November 09 2011 06:32 cursor wrote:
I've played TES since Arena. Another one of those guys flashing his creds.

Each game, to me, has gotten more simplified. Less dynamic and more simple in terms of skills, stats, weakness/strengths, bonuses etc. I've already stated a lot of this in this thread, but just to set my base. I've been okay with it it so far, because the graphics always get better, I think the quests get a little better, and the music and story line also get a bit more complex.

But this one really bothers me, and if anyone can comment on it I would appreciate it.

No Attributes. No Strength, Intelligence, Agility, etc. Howard is always talking about making the classic RPG. And you remove fundamental attributes that have been in every RPG since DnD? Really? Talk about removing a whole Level of dynamics from the game. This really bothers me. That being said, I haven't played the game yet, and am only reading stuff that outlines how the game works so I can better understand it when I start to play.

To me, it feels like they are removing a whole layer of the game. The Attributes were the main modifiers for your skills, your skills were your main modifiers to in game activities, and then your in game activities seemed governed both by both the individual Skills you had developed, but also by the physical and mental attributes that your character had natrualy and that were enhanced by using the skills.

Just having no Strength also makes racial selection less meaningful. I mean really, how much are they going to dumb this down? I thought Oblivion felt pretty hollow compared to Morrowind, but IMO the biggest step down in Dynamics was from Daggerfall to Morrowind... which also came with the biggest upswing in graphics, quests, and NPC behavior.

Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse, Oblivion now looks like a pretty complicated game with Orcs having high Strength and Endurance and Elves having high Willpower and Intelligence... and modifying those is just one CHOICE to affecting skill advancement. Less choice here.

I was going to be big on Alchemy, looking forward to it, but without Fortify Strength or Willpower, without attributes there for Diseases to damage and Vamparism to enhance (such as speed)... what. the. hell. Can anyone speak on this who has played the game? Especially from the Viewpoint of whether Alchemy is worth my time as opposed to another crafting skill?

TYVM

On November 09 2011 06:55 ThaZenith wrote:

I actually like this. If I want a super-mage orc, I'll prefer it if it isn't gimped based on the name of the race.

Edit: sorry meant to edit into my last post.

Feats do add customization ('perks' in Skyrim), but it's a different sort of customization than attributes provide. The loss of attributes is the loss of the most basic system of character definition.

On November 09 2011 07:14 ArtZ wrote:
Anyone know if there will be digital purchase avaialble at launch?

I like the idea of seeing stats for my character. What I didn't like about Morrowind and Oblivion was that you had to play the game a certain way to maximize those stats.. it's just annoying to have to think that in depth when I just want to play and have fun. So, I guess it makes sense to simplify that aspect of the game even though I know there must be a lot of people that feed off of min/maxing in games.

On November 09 2011 07:18 Logo wrote:


You can already pre-order (and I think pre-load) it on Steam.

On November 09 2011 06:32 cursor wrote:
No Attributes. No Strength, Intelligence, Agility, etc. Howard is always talking about making the classic RPG. And you remove fundamental attributes that have been in every RPG since DnD?