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On March 10 2012 15:20 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 15:14 Slow Motion wrote:
Just finished the game. Bioware must have tried really hard to make that much of an un-epic ending for what should have been an epic story. The last scene and especially the scene after the credits were designed to suck as much hype and fun out of the game as possible. After I finished my face was literally :|
The combat was well done, but I'm just playing this for the story and interaction with the world so it was a real disappointment. Some of the meat in the middle was good but again everything seems rushed. Also I felt like I really didn't have many choices and was locked into a particular character that Bioware chose (as compared to ME1 and 2 where there were many choices that were fun to make and replay).
The game did do away with a lot of annoying crap (scanning is still kinda annoying but it's 1000x better than before). One huge annoying thing though is that you cannot skip some really fucking slow and boring scenes, and you cannot save in the middle of them so you have to do them again to try out another choice (especially near the end). This game doesn't feel nearly as replayable to me as ME1 or ME2. Well of course it doesn't there is no promise of a 4th game to compel you to try doing things, + Show Spoiler + like killing mordin or wrex, or getting to jack late so she gets taken by Cerberus or killing the rachi queen etc because the game has an ending instead of a to be continued, so there is no possibly of you seeing how things will develop becuase for the most part you already know how it will develop sense you spend most of the game just making friends
I never really replayed for sequels though. If I need a save game for a sequel I just download it online. I replayed the first 2 games because there was enough in the game to make me want to explore the things I missed. This game really does not make me feel that way. There were good moments in the middle but the way everything felt sloppy and rushed (not just in terms of plot advancement speed, but overall storytelling and the way they made some of the quests) doesn't make me wanna touch this game again 
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Great game so far, but miss so many of the ME2 Squad members. (Katsumi, Legion, Miranda, Grunt, Thane).
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The thrill is gone. Story-wise, I'd compare this series to the TV show "LOST". Initially, it is so good and compelling.
Godly synthetic creatures mysteriously leave and re-enter the galaxy over vast distances of space and time, controlling all natural life in the galaxy via mass-extinction. Epic! Spooky! Then the writers don't know where to take it so they give you a bunch of character side-plots (ME2). Then, they don't know how to actually explain any of these "mind-bending" premises they initially started with, so it all just kind of ends with a whole lot of ambiguity.
Personally, I didn't hold any hope for the story when I saw and played the boss of ME2. The fact that they made a "Terminator", and the fact that my Shepard killed it by shooting it with his gun, affirmed for me that BioWare was more than willing to abandon all the intrigue of the game for easy solutions.
In Mass Effect 1, you simply fight a spawn of the Reaper, while the Reaper itself laughs off an entire fleet of firepower as it flies into the heart of the Citadel. It is only at a perfect moment of weakness, with you killing Saren at the same moment that the fleet fires a full salvo, that the Reaper is near-miraculously destroyed. Then in Mass Effect 2, you just shoot the thing in its eye a hundred times with a pistol....
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On March 10 2012 16:46 Leporello wrote:
The thrill is gone. Story-wise, I'd compare this series to the TV show "LOST". Initially, it is so good and compelling.
Godly synthetic creatures mysteriously leave and re-enter the galaxy over vast distances of space and time, controlling all natural life in the galaxy via mass-extinction. Epic! Spooky! Then the writers don't know where to take it so they give you a bunch of character side-plots (ME2). Then, they don't know how to actually explain any of these "mind-bending" premises they initially started with, so it all just kind of ends with a whole lot of ambiguity.
Personally, I didn't hold any hope for the story when I saw and played the boss of ME2. The fact that they made a "Terminator", and the fact that my Shepard killed it by shooting it with his gun, affirmed for me that BioWare was more than willing to abandon all the intrigue of the game for easy solutions.
In Mass Effect 1, you simply fight a spawn of the Reaper, while the Reaper itself laughs off an entire fleet of firepower as it flies into the heart of the Citadel. It is only at a perfect moment of weakness, with you killing Saren at the same moment that the fleet fires a full salvo, that the Reaper is near-miraculously destroyed. Then in Mass Effect 2, you just shoot the thing in its eye a hundred times with a pistol....
agreed...
i dont get how people can actually love ME2 and 3. Dont get me wrong i love ME 1 and KotoR 1. they are 2 of the best games that are out there. but bioware just goes the easy way and people dont stop throwing money at them...
its the same with the new CoD / The elder scrolls games. Makes me sad. Seems like there arent a lot of gamers who still want high quality games.
All the good games are old ones like the first deus ex or the 1st gothic.
i really hope that there will be some really good games in the near future but i somehow doubt it.
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On March 10 2012 17:32 JulsFoF wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 16:46 Leporello wrote:
The thrill is gone. Story-wise, I'd compare this series to the TV show "LOST". Initially, it is so good and compelling.
Godly synthetic creatures mysteriously leave and re-enter the galaxy over vast distances of space and time, controlling all natural life in the galaxy via mass-extinction. Epic! Spooky! Then the writers don't know where to take it so they give you a bunch of character side-plots (ME2). Then, they don't know how to actually explain any of these "mind-bending" premises they initially started with, so it all just kind of ends with a whole lot of ambiguity.
Personally, I didn't hold any hope for the story when I saw and played the boss of ME2. The fact that they made a "Terminator", and the fact that my Shepard killed it by shooting it with his gun, affirmed for me that BioWare was more than willing to abandon all the intrigue of the game for easy solutions.
In Mass Effect 1, you simply fight a spawn of the Reaper, while the Reaper itself laughs off an entire fleet of firepower as it flies into the heart of the Citadel. It is only at a perfect moment of weakness, with you killing Saren at the same moment that the fleet fires a full salvo, that the Reaper is near-miraculously destroyed. Then in Mass Effect 2, you just shoot the thing in its eye a hundred times with a pistol.... agreed... i dont get how people can actually love ME2 and 3. Dont get me wrong i love ME 1 and KotoR 1. they are 2 of the best games that are out there. but bioware just goes the easy way and people dont stop throwing money at them... its the same with the new CoD / The elder scrolls games. Makes me sad. Seems like there arent a lot of gamers who still want high quality games. All the good games are old ones like the first deus ex or the 1st gothic. i really hope that there will be some really good games in the near future but i somehow doubt it.
That's called nostalgia. ME1 dialogue barely changed no matter what you picked and the gameplay was horrible.
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On March 10 2012 17:32 JulsFoF wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 16:46 Leporello wrote:
The thrill is gone. Story-wise, I'd compare this series to the TV show "LOST". Initially, it is so good and compelling.
Godly synthetic creatures mysteriously leave and re-enter the galaxy over vast distances of space and time, controlling all natural life in the galaxy via mass-extinction. Epic! Spooky! Then the writers don't know where to take it so they give you a bunch of character side-plots (ME2). Then, they don't know how to actually explain any of these "mind-bending" premises they initially started with, so it all just kind of ends with a whole lot of ambiguity.
Personally, I didn't hold any hope for the story when I saw and played the boss of ME2. The fact that they made a "Terminator", and the fact that my Shepard killed it by shooting it with his gun, affirmed for me that BioWare was more than willing to abandon all the intrigue of the game for easy solutions.
In Mass Effect 1, you simply fight a spawn of the Reaper, while the Reaper itself laughs off an entire fleet of firepower as it flies into the heart of the Citadel. It is only at a perfect moment of weakness, with you killing Saren at the same moment that the fleet fires a full salvo, that the Reaper is near-miraculously destroyed. Then in Mass Effect 2, you just shoot the thing in its eye a hundred times with a pistol.... agreed... i dont get how people can actually love ME2 and 3. Dont get me wrong i love ME 1 and KotoR 1. they are 2 of the best games that are out there. but bioware just goes the easy way and people dont stop throwing money at them... its the same with the new CoD / The elder scrolls games. Makes me sad. Seems like there arent a lot of gamers who still want high quality games. All the good games are old ones like the first deus ex or the 1st gothic. i really hope that there will be some really good games in the near future but i somehow doubt it.
back in my day sonny we had to go out and see our friends to play golden eye, and no one was allowed to pick odjob because he was too short and it was cheap.
On March 10 2012 17:45 Serelitz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 17:32 JulsFoF wrote:On March 10 2012 16:46 Leporello wrote:
The thrill is gone. Story-wise, I'd compare this series to the TV show "LOST". Initially, it is so good and compelling.
Godly synthetic creatures mysteriously leave and re-enter the galaxy over vast distances of space and time, controlling all natural life in the galaxy via mass-extinction. Epic! Spooky! Then the writers don't know where to take it so they give you a bunch of character side-plots (ME2). Then, they don't know how to actually explain any of these "mind-bending" premises they initially started with, so it all just kind of ends with a whole lot of ambiguity.
Personally, I didn't hold any hope for the story when I saw and played the boss of ME2. The fact that they made a "Terminator", and the fact that my Shepard killed it by shooting it with his gun, affirmed for me that BioWare was more than willing to abandon all the intrigue of the game for easy solutions.
In Mass Effect 1, you simply fight a spawn of the Reaper, while the Reaper itself laughs off an entire fleet of firepower as it flies into the heart of the Citadel. It is only at a perfect moment of weakness, with you killing Saren at the same moment that the fleet fires a full salvo, that the Reaper is near-miraculously destroyed. Then in Mass Effect 2, you just shoot the thing in its eye a hundred times with a pistol.... agreed... i dont get how people can actually love ME2 and 3. Dont get me wrong i love ME 1 and KotoR 1. they are 2 of the best games that are out there. but bioware just goes the easy way and people dont stop throwing money at them... its the same with the new CoD / The elder scrolls games. Makes me sad. Seems like there arent a lot of gamers who still want high quality games. All the good games are old ones like the first deus ex or the 1st gothic. i really hope that there will be some really good games in the near future but i somehow doubt it. That's called nostalgia. ME1 dialogue barely changed no matter what you picked and the gameplay was horrible.
The game play was horrible for me1 and frankly glitchy to this day,(you cant even play stkotor anymore because it only worked on XP without major problems, again a story driven game yet people say 1 is better then 2 even though they pretty much are the same game just the story is different and 2 is less glitchy and has small improvement) the story in 1 was the best of the 3 if you're talking about just the main, me2 told side stories better give more richness to the galaxy rather then just reading it in codex entires and improved the combat to make it actually somewhat more then, use lift shoot at floating target for 5 seconds.
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On March 10 2012 17:45 Serelitz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 17:32 JulsFoF wrote:On March 10 2012 16:46 Leporello wrote:
The thrill is gone. Story-wise, I'd compare this series to the TV show "LOST". Initially, it is so good and compelling.
Godly synthetic creatures mysteriously leave and re-enter the galaxy over vast distances of space and time, controlling all natural life in the galaxy via mass-extinction. Epic! Spooky! Then the writers don't know where to take it so they give you a bunch of character side-plots (ME2). Then, they don't know how to actually explain any of these "mind-bending" premises they initially started with, so it all just kind of ends with a whole lot of ambiguity.
Personally, I didn't hold any hope for the story when I saw and played the boss of ME2. The fact that they made a "Terminator", and the fact that my Shepard killed it by shooting it with his gun, affirmed for me that BioWare was more than willing to abandon all the intrigue of the game for easy solutions.
In Mass Effect 1, you simply fight a spawn of the Reaper, while the Reaper itself laughs off an entire fleet of firepower as it flies into the heart of the Citadel. It is only at a perfect moment of weakness, with you killing Saren at the same moment that the fleet fires a full salvo, that the Reaper is near-miraculously destroyed. Then in Mass Effect 2, you just shoot the thing in its eye a hundred times with a pistol.... agreed... i dont get how people can actually love ME2 and 3. Dont get me wrong i love ME 1 and KotoR 1. they are 2 of the best games that are out there. but bioware just goes the easy way and people dont stop throwing money at them... its the same with the new CoD / The elder scrolls games. Makes me sad. Seems like there arent a lot of gamers who still want high quality games. All the good games are old ones like the first deus ex or the 1st gothic. i really hope that there will be some really good games in the near future but i somehow doubt it. That's called nostalgia. ME1 dialogue barely changed no matter what you picked and the gameplay was horrible.
but the story was epic!!!
and thats the point of rpgs. i dont really care about the change of the dialogs if the basic one is still very good and tells a good story. all the fancy stuff they introduced in me2 and 3 just tries to cover up a crappy continuation of the story.
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So everyone, how was ME3? Still haven't bought it, I'm not gonna get robbed by EA/BioWare(again), so I want your opinions!
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On March 10 2012 18:27 Arnstein wrote:
So everyone, how was ME3? Still haven't bought it, I'm not gonna get robbed by EA/BioWare(again), so I want your opinions!
Maybe read the last 50 or so pages which are filled with opinions? :/
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On March 10 2012 18:27 Arnstein wrote:
So everyone, how was ME3? Still haven't bought it, I'm not gonna get robbed by EA/BioWare(again), so I want your opinions!
Great game imo, but the ending was really retarded though to me. Other then the ending the game was really good 
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My take on the ending, the series in general, and the magic that Bioware created with Mass Effect.
+ Show Spoiler +After the whole ending sequence, Sheppard suddenly wakes up in the memorial hospital on the citadel. Her allies explain that they found her nearly dead from blood loss next to a console in the center of the citadel with the corpses of Anderson and the Illusive Man next to her. Mere seconds before she passed out, she managed to activate the crucible which immediately destroyed the reapers. Then Sheppard exclaims, "But what about the catalyst! It was this little boy on the citadel! I had to choose between destroying all synthetic life, controlling the reapers by sacrificing my life, or sacrificing my life and combining biological organisms with machines. No matter what I picked it ended up horribly!" Then they all burst out into laughter and Tali pipes up, "Sheppard, with that much blood loss, I'd suspect your story to be even crazier!" and they all live happily ever after. Except for all the people who died. As an aside, EDI asks Sheppard which fate she chose. "I chose to combine biological and synthetic life. That way you and Joker could fulfill your relationship needs. Garrus and Tali don't need any more help getting it on. EDI laughs and Joker exclaims, "Don't worry Sheppard, we already figured out how." Then they all laugh! Except Sheppard, who has a very frightened look on her face. In all honesty, the Mass Effect series has been some of my favorite video game experiences since I played Final Fantasy 7 as a kid. If Bioware wants to have some silly ending which isn't even an ending at all, they can do that. I won't let it drag me down, it is their game after all. They are never going to stop me from enjoying it though and if I have to make up what really happened then so be it. Shitty ending or not this game and this series as a whole has been amazing. I desperately hope that more games come along with the same ambitions as the Mass Effect series. Gameplay elements be damned, story lines be damned, RPG elements be damned, nothing in recent time has so captured my childish fascination of space travel, aliens, and adventure. Keep at it Bioware, just work on your endings a little bit 
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I wish I could play the game. Can't get past Eden Prime without a CTD after the
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Story reminded me of Divinity 2: Ego Draconis. You "work" all game long to save the galaxy, and in the end it spits you in the face.
Decent game though. Nothing really seemed new though. Felt very ME2-ish to me.
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Verdict after completing the game: ME1 is better, still my favorite. And it's not nostalgia since I played it only after ME2.
Ending felt lackluster, though the fatalistic twist could be easier to accept unless you would feel whole game like a hero who's really gonna make it right this time. It could have been more spectacular, more buildup, even staying as depressive and sad as it is. You could say it was rushed production wise.
Overall game felt way too linear level design wise. No real exploration. Mako and planets rocked! And you can actually enjoy combat diversity mostly in multiplayer. But it has 6 maps! I was shocked honestly. Glad I never even wanted to buy the game.
On the positive side: the small choices from both previous games did appear here and I liked that alot + the humour, engine feels the best of all 3 parts, graphically it's obviously the superior version with increased detail and effects.
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On March 10 2012 18:19 JulsFoF wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 17:45 Serelitz wrote:On March 10 2012 17:32 JulsFoF wrote:On March 10 2012 16:46 Leporello wrote:
The thrill is gone. Story-wise, I'd compare this series to the TV show "LOST". Initially, it is so good and compelling.
Godly synthetic creatures mysteriously leave and re-enter the galaxy over vast distances of space and time, controlling all natural life in the galaxy via mass-extinction. Epic! Spooky! Then the writers don't know where to take it so they give you a bunch of character side-plots (ME2). Then, they don't know how to actually explain any of these "mind-bending" premises they initially started with, so it all just kind of ends with a whole lot of ambiguity.
Personally, I didn't hold any hope for the story when I saw and played the boss of ME2. The fact that they made a "Terminator", and the fact that my Shepard killed it by shooting it with his gun, affirmed for me that BioWare was more than willing to abandon all the intrigue of the game for easy solutions.
In Mass Effect 1, you simply fight a spawn of the Reaper, while the Reaper itself laughs off an entire fleet of firepower as it flies into the heart of the Citadel. It is only at a perfect moment of weakness, with you killing Saren at the same moment that the fleet fires a full salvo, that the Reaper is near-miraculously destroyed. Then in Mass Effect 2, you just shoot the thing in its eye a hundred times with a pistol.... agreed... i dont get how people can actually love ME2 and 3. Dont get me wrong i love ME 1 and KotoR 1. they are 2 of the best games that are out there. but bioware just goes the easy way and people dont stop throwing money at them... its the same with the new CoD / The elder scrolls games. Makes me sad. Seems like there arent a lot of gamers who still want high quality games. All the good games are old ones like the first deus ex or the 1st gothic. i really hope that there will be some really good games in the near future but i somehow doubt it. That's called nostalgia. ME1 dialogue barely changed no matter what you picked and the gameplay was horrible. but the story was epic!!! and thats the point of rpgs. i dont really care about the change of the dialogs if the basic one is still very good and tells a good story. all the fancy stuff they introduced in me2 and 3 just tries to cover up a crappy continuation of the story.
If you don't care about gameplay or the choices you make through dialogue, why are you playing games at all? Go watch a movie in that case. ME2/3 had vastly superior gameplay and especially ME2 had much better dialogue choice-wise. The only thing I found weak about the story was ME3's ending - things like the 'downtime' between games that make little sense sort of have to if you consider the range of choices that players could have made.
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I think one of the largest differences between ME1 and ME2+ME3 in terms of story is that in ME1, you had absolutely no idea what was going on. No real objective, no overarching goal to word towards, you were just going through the game figuring shit out until the very last part when your like "Oh shit saren, reapers, universal apocalypse!" ME2+ME3 you know what you are doing, you are saving the goddamn galaxy! Sure you can delve more into what the reapers are (Hint: From the mind of H.P. Lovecraft) and find more about past civilizations but that is about it. What is left is telling the story of the mission and doing so in a way where you enrich the universe and get to know some characters. I think many of the characters in the series are phenomenal and I am really happy that they even devoted an entire game to basically backstories for interesting characters. In ME 1 I absolutely hated Garrus. It took ME2 to realize that the guy was Batman...but I was still a little iffy. When ME3 rolled around, I was so happy to see that damned turian, it was crazy. ME1 got me to fall in love with the universe, ME2 and 3 got me to fall in love with the characters. In this respect, I think ME2 really set up ME3. I definitely ran into a number of tear jerkers. I had to stop playing and just chill after a particular sequence + Show Spoiler +Mordin curing the genophage
I do agree with you though Dyme, the ending does spit in your face.
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true, the overall stroy was pretty wayne.
the best moments always were the encounters with your old squadmates
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Frankly this game was probably the best game i played in the last few years, + Show Spoiler +up until you step into the beam of light at the end.
Before that point it was gripping and absolutly bloody perfect (at least to me). The entire sequence after that point was absolute bullshit. Frankly i am not sure what to think about it, hell i still loved the game and spent nearly 2 days straight running through it once, without ever feeling bored (both ME1 and 2 had very annoying grind passages if you remember). But the ending did not fullfill my expectations at all. I just spent 3 games building a relative galaxy by making choices so why doesn't any of that matter?
Hell a 3 minute spoken Epilogue about what my friends do now would have sufficied for me, but after all that effort i want closure!
+ Show Spoiler +I dislike tragic endings in most cases, but I was pretty fine with everyone and their mother sacrifing themselves for the good of the galaxy, but if that is the way they want to go, then it should truly be for the good of the galaxy, not such a complete pile of bs choices.
Still even with that annoyance at the end, i would recommend the game to anyone who liked ME 1 or 2, and to anyone who likes Shooters with a bit of RPG and story added to them.
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On March 10 2012 22:29 Tula wrote:
Still even with that annoyance at the end, i would recommend the game to anyone who liked ME 1 or 2, and to anyone who likes Shooters with a bit of RPG and story added to them.
I would call this an RPG with a bit of shooter added tbh ^_^
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Graphicswise its a burner.
Storywise its not the best game.
A bit short if you ask me.i havenßt encountered much sidemissions etc like in the other mass effects
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