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On subject of less developed races (considering space travel).
Krogan didn't have space travel available when they were discovered as much as I remember from ME. They destroyed themselves with discovery of atomic weapons.
Drell basically got the technology thanks to those fish/medusa-type aliens. But they did co-exist on one planet, if I remember it correctly, too 
I think that generally ME story is decent and can be given a benefit of the doubt and enjoyed. Yet I'm very curious why really Reapers want to kill everyone, who actually are they, why that timespan is exactly (50k years), how many galaxies do they inhabit, is this the only galaxy they "consume" every 50 000 or so years. And how in the end they are going to be defeated if they are so powerful. Considering protheans were more advanced than any of the races in this time period and still got wiped out (they didn't really know about Reapers).
Yet you can't say humans prepared for the invasion. It was one of the silliest things I saw in the demo. Earth is already under attack and Shepard goes for a mission to rally other galactic races to save Earth. How much time would that take? Months most likely. You would think that an armada of uber-advanced-sentient-machines can destroy some puny planet fast enough. In a matter of hours I would presume.
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On March 02 2012 02:53 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 02:49 Klive5ive wrote:On March 02 2012 01:53 Skilledblob wrote:On March 02 2012 01:50 Klive5ive wrote:On March 01 2012 19:25 Tobberoth wrote:
They probably got 50 000 from real history. 50 000 years ago was the switch from middle paleolithic age to upper paleolithic, which is right dab in the stoneage. If there were more intelligent beings on earth which disappeared at that time, there's no way that would be recorded to this day. 50 000 years ago today is about the first time when humans started to make proper stone tools which weren't completely unsofisticated and stopped living like monkeys. It still doesn't make much sense. There are about 15+ races in mass effect. So we're supposed to believe all 15 of those evolved and discovered space travel in a 50,000 year period (which is a miniscule timespan in relation to the Galaxy)? It's Science Fiction not Science, I don't really want to overthink it anymore than that. what is so unbelievable about that? Even if the chance of intelligent life on a planet is only 0,000001% there will still be so many planets in the galaxy that you'd still have some intelligent species. Well then why haven't we received contact from any yet? The Milky Way is 13.2 Billion years old. By those calculations the Galaxy should have millions of space travelling races by now; some extremely old. Speed of light limitation, signals can't travel faster than the speed of light. Our ability to send radio waves and receive them was only developed what, 90 years ago? Our signals can be, at most, only 90 light years away. Let's suppose for a moment, that there is intelligent developed life only 100 light years away. Well, it takes 100 years for light (or any signal at that speed) to reach them from us, then another 100 years for it to get back to us for us to even know about it. Given the expansion of space, it's even slightly longer than that. In Mass Effect, they have a way to bypass the speed of light limitation (the Mass Relays and FTL drives), but IRL we don't have that.
the whole premise of mass effect revolved around forced technological improvement though the use of mass effect fields corresponding with the discovery of the cidial, which mass effect fields allow for ftl travel, along with the relays which are point to point shiz that is much faster then ftl drives. Also races that aren't advanced aren't consumed.
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On March 01 2012 20:24 Praetorial wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 19:08 ApocAlypsE007 wrote:On March 01 2012 03:51 VirgilSC2 wrote:
I'm so stoked for Mass Effect 3 it isn't even funny.
I'm going to re-start from 1 starting tonight to make sure all my little details are correct.
The only thing I haven't done is gotten the Shadow Broker DLC for ME:2. I'm contemplating getting it, do you guys think it's worth it? Aside from the corny music it's the best Mass Effect 2 DLC. Corny?? It was the best music in the whole game, excepting the Suicide Mission soundtrack.
I just feel the music in LotSB and Overlord DLC's is too bombastic, over the top and don't fit the mood. IMO the best music in ME2 is in Samara's and Tali's mission, Kasumi's DLC and Arrival DLC (Which I like the best) as the 3 former are very melodic without being bombastic too much and the later just gives a incredible feel of a battle to save yourself and everything you hold dear in a sci-fi universe, and the ending that give you taste of a bitter-sweet victory.
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On March 01 2012 03:03 Iyerbeth wrote:So some pretty huge news for UK gamers: http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/17210489Game says it will not stock EA title Mass Effect 3Show nested quote +
Game has apologised to customers on its Facebook page but does not give a reason for not being able to supply Mass Effect 3.
"We're contacting you with news that, unfortunately we are not in a position to supply you with your copy of Mass Effect 3," said a statement.
"As dedicated gamers, we know how disappointing this will be for you, and we apologise sincerely for the inconvenience that this will cause."
Game customers who have pre-ordered the title will be given £5 in loyalty card reward points.
The high street chain has refused to comment on reports that other EA games could be affected from next month.
Interesting enough the news tonight has the answer. Game are in massive financial trouble and EA refused to give them better margins.
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On March 02 2012 03:35 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 02:53 Whitewing wrote:On March 02 2012 02:49 Klive5ive wrote:On March 02 2012 01:53 Skilledblob wrote:On March 02 2012 01:50 Klive5ive wrote:On March 01 2012 19:25 Tobberoth wrote:
They probably got 50 000 from real history. 50 000 years ago was the switch from middle paleolithic age to upper paleolithic, which is right dab in the stoneage. If there were more intelligent beings on earth which disappeared at that time, there's no way that would be recorded to this day. 50 000 years ago today is about the first time when humans started to make proper stone tools which weren't completely unsofisticated and stopped living like monkeys. It still doesn't make much sense. There are about 15+ races in mass effect. So we're supposed to believe all 15 of those evolved and discovered space travel in a 50,000 year period (which is a miniscule timespan in relation to the Galaxy)? It's Science Fiction not Science, I don't really want to overthink it anymore than that. what is so unbelievable about that? Even if the chance of intelligent life on a planet is only 0,000001% there will still be so many planets in the galaxy that you'd still have some intelligent species. Well then why haven't we received contact from any yet? The Milky Way is 13.2 Billion years old. By those calculations the Galaxy should have millions of space travelling races by now; some extremely old. Speed of light limitation, signals can't travel faster than the speed of light. Our ability to send radio waves and receive them was only developed what, 90 years ago? Our signals can be, at most, only 90 light years away. Let's suppose for a moment, that there is intelligent developed life only 100 light years away. Well, it takes 100 years for light (or any signal at that speed) to reach them from us, then another 100 years for it to get back to us for us to even know about it. Given the expansion of space, it's even slightly longer than that. In Mass Effect, they have a way to bypass the speed of light limitation (the Mass Relays and FTL drives), but IRL we don't have that. the whole premise of mass effect revolved around forced technological improvement though the use of mass effect fields corresponding with the discovery of the cidial, which mass effect fields allow for ftl travel, along with the relays which are point to point shiz that is much faster then ftl drives. Also races that aren't advanced aren't consumed.
I know, I posted that one post above the one you responded too here, I was answering someone's science question about how there could be life in the milky way but we don't know about it.
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On March 02 2012 03:30 RA wrote:On subject of less developed races (considering space travel). Krogan didn't have space travel available when they were discovered as much as I remember from ME. They destroyed themselves with discovery of atomic weapons. Drell basically got the technology thanks to those fish/medusa-type aliens. But they did co-exist on one planet, if I remember it correctly, too I think that generally ME story is decent and can be given a benefit of the doubt and enjoyed. Yet I'm very curious why really Reapers want to kill everyone, who actually are they, why that timespan is exactly (50k years), how many galaxies do they inhabit, is this the only galaxy they "consume" every 50 000 or so years. And how in the end they are going to be defeated if they are so powerful. Considering protheans were more advanced than any of the races in this time period and still got wiped out (they didn't really know about Reapers). Yet you can't say humans prepared for the invasion. It was one of the silliest things I saw in the demo. Earth is already under attack and Shepard goes for a mission to rally other galactic races to save Earth. How much time would that take? Months most likely. You would think that an armada of uber-advanced-sentient-machines can destroy some puny planet fast enough. In a matter of hours I would presume.
Well, we haven't played the game yet so we can't know how silly it is that Humans might manage it. + Show Spoiler +From what we know, the first thing Shepard does is go to Mars to the Prothean dig site because they nearly found an answer to the reapers, and he's looking for more info/tech.
As for the first too: The Krogan were discovered by the Salarians, which were a spacefaring race at the time. They more or less stumbled upon the Krogan, which can happen, it's just unlikely. Mind you, the Krogan were sending out radio signals (if they have nuclear tech they have radios), same for the Drell, so all the Salarians or Hanar needed to do to discover the other race is travel to a region of space within the range of the radio transmissions. Assuming the Krogan's development path was somewhat similar to our own, if any Salarians at any point after the nuclear war on Tuchanka traveled to a location in space within a couple hundred light years of Tuchanka, it's quite likely they would find them.
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Man I really do not like Origin. To top off all the crappy things Origin does they force me to pay an extra 7.20$ on ME3 when purchasing online because they require me to pay sales taxes on it.
Steam doesn't do this to me.  I love you Steam... you treat me so good. I'm sorry for going behind your back and dealing with this dirty whore named Origin but she's got a really good product out there and she's really leaving me no other choice.
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On March 02 2012 03:37 ApocAlypsE007 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 20:24 Praetorial wrote:On March 01 2012 19:08 ApocAlypsE007 wrote:On March 01 2012 03:51 VirgilSC2 wrote:
I'm so stoked for Mass Effect 3 it isn't even funny.
I'm going to re-start from 1 starting tonight to make sure all my little details are correct.
The only thing I haven't done is gotten the Shadow Broker DLC for ME:2. I'm contemplating getting it, do you guys think it's worth it? Aside from the corny music it's the best Mass Effect 2 DLC. Corny?? It was the best music in the whole game, excepting the Suicide Mission soundtrack. I just feel the music in LotSB and Overlord DLC's is too bombastic, over the top and don't fit the mood. IMO the best music in ME2 is in Samara's and Tali's mission, Kasumi's DLC and Arrival DLC (Which I like the best) as the 3 former are very melodic without being bombastic too much and the later just gives a incredible feel of a battle to save yourself and everything you hold dear in a sci-fi universe, and the ending that give you taste of a bitter-sweet victory.
Arrival was great, but I abhor the music of Samara's mission with a burning hatred. The same is also true of Samara, just because no matter how you play your loyalty mission, you hate your choice afterwards.
The music in Kasumi's DLC was okay, didn't stick with me though.
I agree that Overlord was bad, but LotSB made me feel like I was shooting people in dark hallways for great justice.
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Only 1 week to go until release in the EU!! Im sooo hyped its nuts  Can´t wait to get my hands on the game n play =)
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On March 02 2012 15:38 DBHErazor wrote:Only 1 week to go until release in the EU!! Im sooo hyped its nuts Can´t wait to get my hands on the game n play =)
FUFU, yes =) one week to go. On one hands it's one whole damn week! On the other hand, it's only another week with university classes, SC2, books etc. to keep me occupied until the day ^_^
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On March 02 2012 03:30 RA wrote:
And how in the end they are going to be defeated if they are so powerful. Considering protheans were more advanced than any of the races in this time period and still got wiped out (they didn't really know about Reapers).
My theory of how the end will go down:
+ Show Spoiler +You'll travel around the galaxy and recruit allies (like we all know). Upon finally getting enough allies you will have to decide on how to destroy the reapers. Obviously since they are vastly superior in...well everything...you can't kill them with ships.
Well let's see now....if we can't use our own technology, let's use theirs?
We saw in Arrival that you can destroy mass relays, and doing so creates a very big boom. There's a mass relay by Earth, so they should be able to do the same right? Destroy the relay, and the reapers blow up with the system.
So, after you collect your allies it's time for the ending. The Paragon/Renegade choices (AKA pro human or pro everyone), will be something along the lines of:
Paragon - Only distract the reapers long enough to blow up the rely, thus sacrificing Earth (and most of humanity), but leaving the collective army of the other races mainly intact.
Renegade - Sacrifice most of the joint-army to evacuate as much of Earth as possible, and at the same time prepare to blow up the mass relay. Doing so put's humanity as the strongest power after all is said and done, since the human army was blowing up the relay while the alien ones were helping Earth.
Secret/Best Ending - Due to you whoring paragon or Renegade points, you are able to convince every race possible to help save Earth. Doing so provides you with a large enough force, that you can both evacuate Earth, and blow up the relay, without getting completely destroyed.
On March 02 2012 03:30 RA wrote:
Yet you can't say humans prepared for the invasion. It was one of the silliest things I saw in the demo. Earth is already under attack and Shepard goes for a mission to rally other galactic races to save Earth. How much time would that take? Months most likely. You would think that an armada of uber-advanced-sentient-machines can destroy some puny planet fast enough. In a matter of hours I would presume.
They aren't "destroying" the Earth, they're harvesting humans (and other advanced forms of life). Also remember that Reapers really have no real sense of time, and so don't care if the process takes a very long time.
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Dang.. got spoiled so hard in this thread. Staying the hell away from this thread from now on.
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On March 02 2012 03:30 RA wrote:
Considering protheans were more advanced than any of the races in this time period and still got wiped out (they didn't really know about Reapers).
As Vigil said, the reapers came though the citadel relay without warning and basicly cut off any communication betwen each world. The protheans had very little chance after that due to the lack of leadership and structure. The reapers count on the advanced races using the citadel so they can destroy the heart of the goverment.
On March 02 2012 03:30 RA wrote:
Yet you can't say humans prepared for the invasion. It was one of the silliest things I saw in the demo. Earth is already under attack and Shepard goes for a mission to rally other galactic races to save Earth. How much time would that take? Months most likely. You would think that an armada of uber-advanced-sentient-machines can destroy some puny planet fast enough. In a matter of hours I would presume.
It took the reapers centuries to wipe out the protheans. They basicly have to make sure they get every shred of evidence that they existed. They would most likely destroy most of the human population on the planet within days, but the remaining humans who is hiding should take a longer time.
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On March 02 2012 03:59 Klive5ive wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 03:03 Iyerbeth wrote:So some pretty huge news for UK gamers: http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/17210489Game says it will not stock EA title Mass Effect 3
Game has apologised to customers on its Facebook page but does not give a reason for not being able to supply Mass Effect 3.
"We're contacting you with news that, unfortunately we are not in a position to supply you with your copy of Mass Effect 3," said a statement.
"As dedicated gamers, we know how disappointing this will be for you, and we apologise sincerely for the inconvenience that this will cause."
Game customers who have pre-ordered the title will be given £5 in loyalty card reward points.
The high street chain has refused to comment on reports that other EA games could be affected from next month.
Interesting enough the news tonight has the answer. Game are in massive financial trouble and EA refused to give them better margins.
can't you guys just get it on steam? or amazon?
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On March 02 2012 17:09 iKill[ShocK] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 03:59 Klive5ive wrote:On March 01 2012 03:03 Iyerbeth wrote:So some pretty huge news for UK gamers: http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/17210489Game says it will not stock EA title Mass Effect 3
Game has apologised to customers on its Facebook page but does not give a reason for not being able to supply Mass Effect 3.
"We're contacting you with news that, unfortunately we are not in a position to supply you with your copy of Mass Effect 3," said a statement.
"As dedicated gamers, we know how disappointing this will be for you, and we apologise sincerely for the inconvenience that this will cause."
Game customers who have pre-ordered the title will be given £5 in loyalty card reward points.
The high street chain has refused to comment on reports that other EA games could be affected from next month.
Interesting enough the news tonight has the answer. Game are in massive financial trouble and EA refused to give them better margins. can't you guys just get it on steam? or amazon?
Amazon, yes. Steam, no. Digital downloads of ME3 are Origin-exclusive.
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On March 02 2012 03:30 RA wrote:I think that generally ME story is decent and can be given a benefit of the doubt and enjoyed. Yet I'm very curious why really Reapers want to kill everyone, who actually are they, why that timespan is exactly (50k years), how many galaxies do they inhabit, is this the only galaxy they "consume" every 50 000 or so years. And how in the end they are going to be defeated if they are so powerful. Considering protheans were more advanced than any of the races in this time period and still got wiped out (they didn't really know about Reapers).
I think protheans was at about the same level, the reason one thinks of protheans as advanced is because everyone in the mass effect universe believes the protheans created the mass relays, the citadel etc, when in fact they were just like the current races, they just found it and used the technology. Protheans had some technology no one in the current time has, like the beacons, but I think the idea is that they weren't all that far ahead of the current races.
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The protheans must've been something special though, since they're the only ones you hear about after 50000 years, and they're referenced as a race that ruled the entire galaxy, as opposed to the way it is now where you have a conglomerate of many civilizations which together form policy around citadel space.
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On March 02 2012 17:06 ragnorr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 03:30 RA wrote:
Considering protheans were more advanced than any of the races in this time period and still got wiped out (they didn't really know about Reapers). As Vigil said, the reapers came though the citadel relay without warning and basicly cut off any communication betwen each world. The protheans had very little chance after that due to the lack of leadership and structure. The reapers count on the advanced races using the citadel so they can destroy the heart of the goverment. Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 03:30 RA wrote:
Yet you can't say humans prepared for the invasion. It was one of the silliest things I saw in the demo. Earth is already under attack and Shepard goes for a mission to rally other galactic races to save Earth. How much time would that take? Months most likely. You would think that an armada of uber-advanced-sentient-machines can destroy some puny planet fast enough. In a matter of hours I would presume. It took the reapers centuries to wipe out the protheans. They basicly have to make sure they get every shred of evidence that they existed. They would most likely destroy most of the human population on the planet within days, but the remaining humans who is hiding should take a longer time.
They can't expect to have every government be at Citadel every time they come to extinguish biological life. Basically proves the fact that they don't care in their arrogance of technological supremacy even if it's not so.
Can't remember if it was really told in the game that it took centuries to wipe out protheans. But at the same time, they were stretched across most of the galaxy unlike humans.
Basically, we aren't stupid + we know more than average player. Thing is, I don't like how it got presented in the demo. But at the same time there is hope it just looks like that on the first glance and full game with all it's bonus story info could make a better picture of it.
I am very picky and I consider ME a well developed universe so it should be smarter than an average game without real need to cheese it up so much.
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On March 02 2012 19:06 RA wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 17:06 ragnorr wrote:On March 02 2012 03:30 RA wrote:
Considering protheans were more advanced than any of the races in this time period and still got wiped out (they didn't really know about Reapers). As Vigil said, the reapers came though the citadel relay without warning and basicly cut off any communication betwen each world. The protheans had very little chance after that due to the lack of leadership and structure. The reapers count on the advanced races using the citadel so they can destroy the heart of the goverment. On March 02 2012 03:30 RA wrote:
Yet you can't say humans prepared for the invasion. It was one of the silliest things I saw in the demo. Earth is already under attack and Shepard goes for a mission to rally other galactic races to save Earth. How much time would that take? Months most likely. You would think that an armada of uber-advanced-sentient-machines can destroy some puny planet fast enough. In a matter of hours I would presume. It took the reapers centuries to wipe out the protheans. They basicly have to make sure they get every shred of evidence that they existed. They would most likely destroy most of the human population on the planet within days, but the remaining humans who is hiding should take a longer time. They can't expect to have every government be at Citadel every time they come to extinguish biological life. Basically proves the fact that they don't care in their arrogance of technological supremacy even if it's not so. Can't remember if it was really told in the game that it took centuries to wipe out protheans. But at the same time, they were stretched across most of the galaxy unlike humans. Basically, we aren't stupid + we know more than average player. Thing is, I don't like how it got presented in the demo. But at the same time there is hope it just looks like that on the first glance and full game with all it's bonus story info could make a better picture of it. I am very picky and I consider ME a well developed universe so it should be smarter than an average game without real need to cheese it up so much.
You know how all roads lead to Rome? Well all mass relays lead to the Citadel(eventually). Seems like a reasonable assumption(that it would be the seat of any galactic government), considering that the Citadel is a really nice space station.
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