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On March 22 2012 10:04 Miyoshino wrote:
lol what is wrong with Star Wars episode 3 ending? Was it rushed? It has the longest fight scene ever in a movie, even.
Now that Bioware has denied this indoctrination conspiracy theory, can we put that to rest?
As for people aying they are going to pay for real ending DLC, what prevents them from just tricking Bioware into releasing that and then pirating what was stolen from them in the first place?
$70,000 has already been raised towards Child's Play in the name of fixing the ending.
I'd say thats a pretty powerful message.
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On March 22 2012 09:23 mastergriggy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 09:06 bittman wrote:
I can't believe people want DLC to fix the ending. It was a bad ending, and that's been discussed at length, but really? Should we send a long petition to JK Rowling to fix the ending of Harry Potter? How about George Lucas. Can we get a good petition going for him to fix all of Star Wars episode 3?
You know I thought Naughty Bear was a terrible game. They owe it to us to fix everything wrong about it and give it to us for free.
Really guys? Bad ending or not, Bioware can't just slap on a new one without you instantly feeling cheapened. But somehow people seem to think that a free DLC will come to 'fix' mass effect 3 for the masses for posterity's sake?
They've seen enough of the poor feedback and hopefully will take it on board for their future works. But re-writing a large, and obviously quite expensively developed, portion of the game just so people stop complaining? I'd rather they throw that half a million dollars at charity. You know that the original ending in the game was changed at the last second and dropped because of the leak right? They aren't rewriting it, they are [hopefully] changing it to something closer to what it was supposed to be, not the garbage it is now. And I don't know why you are so opposed to feedback. Bioware releases ending, fans don't like it, Bioware changes it. How is that cheapening the experience? Are we even talking about the same thing, because it sounds like you haven't experienced the ending or haven't played the game. If you had, or knew the context of the situation, you probably wouldn't have posted what you did. Also for the record, JK Rowling did an interview which answered questions about almost every character in detail after the release of the final book. And most of the problems with episode 3 are not story problems, but special effects or minor plot holes, not defusing of the entire story. So, your examples don't provide much as far as insight goes.
Yeah pretty sure I've played and experienced the ending.
I don't buy into the "changed-ending-because-it-got-leaked" business, because nothing in the final scenes looked rushed. It looked polished and amazing, but not right. From accounts I've seen of the leak, the changes were minor and the results still fairly similar.
And I'm not against feedback. I'm a huge advocate of playtesting in development: something AAA studios don't do a great job of because they're always running scared of copyright and leads only expect bugs from testing not impressions and opinions (the actual important results from playtesting). Post-release feedback should engineer the longevity of a game by polishing play and expanding the game further.
I just can't see them changing the ending at all regardless of press received. Sure I didn't like it either. It included so much anti-climactic elements that I hate even dwelling on it. But to fix the ending they'd probably need to sink a few more thousands into voice acting and easily a few more millions into development, art and design. It's not just the story that has issues. If they just slap a new voice acted script on top of what is already there people will still have issues. I don't think the work they'd need to put into it would equate to the result. Especially since the majority of ME3 customers probably don't have a clue about this "controversy".
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On March 22 2012 10:07 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 10:04 Miyoshino wrote:
lol what is wrong with Star Wars episode 3 ending? Was it rushed? It has the longest fight scene ever in a movie, even.
Now that Bioware has denied this indoctrination conspiracy theory, can we put that to rest?
As for people aying they are going to pay for real ending DLC, what prevents them from just tricking Bioware into releasing that and then pirating what was stolen from them in the first place? $70,000 has already been raised towards Child's Play in the name of fixing the ending. I'd say thats a pretty powerful message.
Maybe that's the real paragon ending 
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On March 22 2012 10:07 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 10:04 Miyoshino wrote:
lol what is wrong with Star Wars episode 3 ending? Was it rushed? It has the longest fight scene ever in a movie, even.
Now that Bioware has denied this indoctrination conspiracy theory, can we put that to rest?
As for people aying they are going to pay for real ending DLC, what prevents them from just tricking Bioware into releasing that and then pirating what was stolen from them in the first place? $70,000 has already been raised towards Child's Play in the name of fixing the ending. I'd say thats a pretty powerful message.
It is a very smart way to show how much a community doesn't like something. If nothing else a corporation would see the money numbers.
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On March 22 2012 10:07 Medrea wrote:
$70,000 has already been raised towards Child's Play in the name of fixing the ending.
I'd say thats a pretty powerful message.
That's 70,000 Bioware customers spend that they won't be spending buying ME3 DLC.
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If they just release some DLC that, for example, showed the final moments of ME3 from another characters perspective in a way that better explains what is actually happening then I for one am full square behind it.
There's a tiny cynical part of my brain that thinks maybe this was there plan all along and this DLC will make them millions x)
But only a tiny part. The rest of me feels bad for Bioware because they really did make an amazing game.
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On March 22 2012 10:26 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 10:07 Medrea wrote:On March 22 2012 10:04 Miyoshino wrote:
lol what is wrong with Star Wars episode 3 ending? Was it rushed? It has the longest fight scene ever in a movie, even.
Now that Bioware has denied this indoctrination conspiracy theory, can we put that to rest?
As for people aying they are going to pay for real ending DLC, what prevents them from just tricking Bioware into releasing that and then pirating what was stolen from them in the first place? $70,000 has already been raised towards Child's Play in the name of fixing the ending. I'd say thats a pretty powerful message. It is a very smart way to show how much a community doesn't like something. If nothing else a corporation would see the money numbers.
Closing in on $78,000 now.
http://retakemasseffect.chipin.com/retake-mass-effect-childs-play
There is the charity for Retake Mass Effect if anyone wants to donate.
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It's 100% obvious there will be DLC that continues the story, anyone hoping for an absolute closure-filled ending is foolish; anyone mad that didn't happen is childish. The game was amazing, one of the better $60 purchases I've made for a single-player game.
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On March 22 2012 12:11 not jack wrote:
It's 100% obvious there will be DLC that continues the story, anyone hoping for an absolute closure-filled ending is foolish; anyone mad that didn't happen is childish. The game was amazing, one of the better $60 purchases I've made for a single-player game.
how would that work? I dont know about you guys, but I play the xbox version and after I beat the game it just puts me back on the normandy before the attack on cerebrus. Would they completely blank the previous ending from ever happening again? I would think any DLC would just be before the final push.
I agree though, it was one of the best game purchases in a long long time. Regardless of the ending. I loved it.
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On March 22 2012 12:17 Darpa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 12:11 not jack wrote:
It's 100% obvious there will be DLC that continues the story, anyone hoping for an absolute closure-filled ending is foolish; anyone mad that didn't happen is childish. The game was amazing, one of the better $60 purchases I've made for a single-player game. how would that work? I dont know about you guys, but I play the xbox version and after I beat the game it just puts me back on the normandy before the attack on cerebrus. Would they completely blank the previous ending from ever happening again? I would think any DLC would just be before the final push. I agree though, it was one of the best game purchases in a long long time. Regardless of the ending. I loved it.
I'm sure the logistics of how they would do it aren't an obstacle, it could be another option on the menu that uses a save import for example. Kind of like Undead Nightmare but you fast forward instead of go backwards.
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On March 22 2012 12:11 not jack wrote:
It's 100% obvious there will be DLC that continues the story, anyone hoping for an absolute closure-filled ending is foolish; anyone mad that didn't happen is childish. The game was amazing, one of the better $60 purchases I've made for a single-player game.
what exactly did you feel made the game amazing?
when talking about it to a friend i gave the game a 7/10, 5/10 if it wasnt for the final level (minus the ending). what exactly were the best features for you?
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On March 22 2012 12:11 not jack wrote:
It's 100% obvious there will be DLC that continues the story, anyone hoping for an absolute closure-filled ending is foolish; anyone mad that didn't happen is childish. The game was amazing, one of the better $60 purchases I've made for a single-player game.
This. Up until the last 5 minutes the game was still phenomenal, just as good as the others imo, AND I didn't even dislike the ending (just saying, everything else was still great).
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On March 22 2012 13:34 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 12:11 not jack wrote:
It's 100% obvious there will be DLC that continues the story, anyone hoping for an absolute closure-filled ending is foolish; anyone mad that didn't happen is childish. The game was amazing, one of the better $60 purchases I've made for a single-player game. what exactly did you feel made the game amazing? when talking about it to a friend i gave the game a 7/10, 5/10 if it wasnt for the final level (minus the ending). what exactly were the best features for you?
Personally, the enhancements to combat have made it that much more fun, and I really don't feel like they've sacrificed anything else (non-combat) from ME1 era to do so. On that same note, the improvement in number and variety of weaponry was great, as well as the flexibility in choosing them and the modifications. I loved the "re-emergence" of the Citadel, something I really missed, and which it may still not be as great as 1's, it beats the hell out of 2's. I feel like the background on many of the races were elaborated extremely well. Just a few things off the top of my head. All I know is I was enthralled and having a blast right up until the very end. And personally didn't mind the ending at all. I'm not sure what people expected really =/
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how does it being better than another game make it a better game though? or another game in the series' lack of the citadel. you are saying why its not bad rather than why its good.
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On March 22 2012 13:44 turdburgler wrote:
how does it being better than another game make it a better game though? or another game in the series' lack of the citadel. you are saying why its not bad rather than why its good.
What are you asking for? Should I compare it to others in the same genre then? As if it was the only game ever? I mean, at a fundamental level, ignoring the older games in the series, its a really fun shooter with (imo) good storytelling. The powers are extremely fun. And I was very emotionally involved and addicted to the game until I finished; both due to the gameplay as well as seeing what happened next..
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On March 22 2012 13:47 Duka08 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 13:44 turdburgler wrote:
how does it being better than another game make it a better game though? or another game in the series' lack of the citadel. you are saying why its not bad rather than why its good. What are you asking for? Should I compare it to others in the same genre then? As if it was the only game ever? I mean, at a fundamental level, ignoring the older games in the series, its a really fun shooter with (imo) good storytelling. The powers are extremely fun. And I was very emotionally involved and addicted to the game until I finished; both due to the gameplay as well as seeing what happened next..
It was simply a very well-made game with a lot of references to characters that you are emotionally attached to due to the first two games in the series. The gunplay evolves even more from ME2 and is still entertaining and tactical. They fleshed out the RPG elements much more, and now you can truly customize your armor and weapons without feeling like you have to slog through endless menus. And the story - you really become emotionally attached. That means they made a very compelling narrative for you to follow. I legitimately teared up when Mordin and Thane died, and Legion's sacrifice filled me with sorrow. On the other side of the token, I was incredibly happy when I saw the Krogan reborn after the genophage, and most missions left me with a sense of true accomplishment. Oh, and the multiplayer, while not incredibly deep, is also very fun to play around with and is addicting in its own right.
In essence: they created a strong game with good shooting mechanics, simple but not overly intricate RPGing and a story that has emotional weight.
but fuck the ending, I want my choices to actually make a difference...
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The game was well made, well polished, and fun... but the story was weak as shit. Which is tragic, since it has a few really, really good moments within; but the basic plot for the 3rd one is simply weak as shit. Shepard is a blubbering pussy for half of it.
Like I said, it has some scenes/ideas which are spectacular. Liara's discussion w/ shepard in his cabin I think might be my favorite scene in the entire series (sans Sovereign's discussion w/ Shepard, because that was ridiculously good). A few moments w/ EDI or the other crew in terms of some emotional connection or just banter worked well; but the overall plot and how it got accomplished was pretty boring.
There's a reviewer who I really like who has made mention that what modern gamers rank the most is polish, and ME3 has plenty of polish.
edit: Oh yeah, and my biggest complaint (aside from the ending, obv) is the lack of crew options. I really hoped there would be a way to recruit more members into your team, but perhaps cap it at a certain # or something... but nope.
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On March 22 2012 13:58 YoureFired wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 13:47 Duka08 wrote:On March 22 2012 13:44 turdburgler wrote:
how does it being better than another game make it a better game though? or another game in the series' lack of the citadel. you are saying why its not bad rather than why its good. What are you asking for? Should I compare it to others in the same genre then? As if it was the only game ever? I mean, at a fundamental level, ignoring the older games in the series, its a really fun shooter with (imo) good storytelling. The powers are extremely fun. And I was very emotionally involved and addicted to the game until I finished; both due to the gameplay as well as seeing what happened next.. It was simply a very well-made game with a lot of references to characters that you are emotionally attached to due to the first two games in the series. The gunplay evolves even more from ME2 and is still entertaining and tactical. They fleshed out the RPG elements much more, and now you can truly customize your armor and weapons without feeling like you have to slog through endless menus. And the story - you really become emotionally attached. That means they made a very compelling narrative for you to follow. I legitimately teared up when Mordin and Thane died, and Legion's sacrifice filled me with sorrow. On the other side of the token, I was incredibly happy when I saw the Krogan reborn after the genophage, and most missions left me with a sense of true accomplishment. Oh, and the multiplayer, while not incredibly deep, is also very fun to play around with and is addicting in its own right. In essence: they created a strong game with good shooting mechanics, simple but not overly intricate RPGing and a story that has emotional weight. but fuck the ending, I want my choices to actually make a difference...
While I could agree in retrospect, I may be biased because I got "perfect" destro ending first play through =X which I didn't mind at all, even liked in some ways. Agree with everything else though haha.
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On March 22 2012 13:44 turdburgler wrote:
how does it being better than another game make it a better game though?
Just making sure you re-read that.
The game had a lot of interesting things to do, and fun difficult action (on insane). You can definitely tell they looked at the flaws of ME2, and it's undoubtedly the best of the series because of those reflections and improvements. I'd say the only thing one of the earlier games has on it is the fun action in the cities.
I skip dialogue that I think is boring, I'm not one of the people who really gets overly invested in the stories. That said a lot of the stuff is interesting and well done. Reviewers who most negative fans seem to think are babying the game seem to hate on the fact that everyone has an excuse why they can't come with you, but I felt it made all of the individual stories that much more interesting.
It's a lot better at making action settings and events, cuts off as much busy work as you really cant and streamlines it into non-stop interesting content. The PC version is very nice and runs very well. There's so much you can say as to why it's a hyper-polished game.
I feel like the haters need to step back out of their disappointment with the story and think about it as a game. Them ignoring the many hours of entertainment they got because of the ending is what makes them all look so entitled.
I really don't care about the franchise, if they decided to scrap the whole thing and make a ME3 level KOTOR I'd be down, I only play single-player games as breaks from competitive games, and it's so clear how ME3 is insanely well done. Any person scrutinizing every flaw of the ending should be able to realize that, but they don't.
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I just finished ME3.
I will be donating to that Child's Play thing.
The ending was so...so bad...
It was like they watched every anime ever with a terrible ending and thought they were all awesome. I can't think of any other way to put it. It was almost exactly like watching Code Geass all over again.
The game was excellent, though. It learned a LOT from both the previous ME games. I liked that they brought back weapon mods, and I liked the expanded armor system. The story was excellent up until the final ten minutes.
I do wish the talent/ability system had gone back to ME1's system, though. The depth of it there was fun and interesting for me. ME2's was just stupid. ME3's branching system is basically the same as 2, but with a bit more depth in the branched options. Better, but still a lot less fun than 1's system.
The weapons...ME1 had way too fucking many weapons and items. ME2 had too fucking few. ME3 sits in between, but I still think it may have had too many. There wasn't a safe way to try all of them out in actual missions with the bottlenecks in credit income. Also the weight system was fairly prohibitive. I used the same weapons for the entire game, only switching things up as I got clear upgrades, or got too bored.
The game was much more linear than ME1, and more than ME2, but I guess that let them build a more solid narrative. I kind of miss that open-world/galaxy feeling from ME1 (though not the hours wasted driving around planets searching for shit, of course), but whatever. I'm glad they got rid of mineral scanning, but they should have taken it a step farther and gotten rid of ship fuel as well -_-.
The voice acting for male Shepard was much better than the previous two games as well. He felt a lot less like a robot throughout the game. Unfortunately, it was still mediocre. Everyone else was great as they have been.
In any case, ME3 was one of the best gameplay experiences I've had in a while. I haven't played a game as enjoyable as this one since Bastion, and before that, not since FF7. Great action, great characters, great story (until the end -_- ), great overall execution.
JUST FIX THE FUCKING ENDING.
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The ending killed the whole game for me. I have absolutely no motivation to continue playing. Yeah, it may be my fault, because I spoilered the ending and stuff. But after the Quarian/Geth-Mission where I united synthetics and bios I can't take it anymore. I quit the game and never going to play it again, I think. No motivation at all, because all is pointless in the end :S
The rest of the game was nice, but it has been destroyed... at least for me.
And I doubt that Bioware will fix this for me. Any DLC that costs money ("hey, you wanna see the real ending? Pay bucks for it!") will be even a bigger punch in the face. A free DLC may be worth to take a look. But Bioware fucked this up with this ending in the first place...
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