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Judicator
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micronesia
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22152 Posts
On October 16 2013 01:54 micronesia wrote: Well he casts hidden strings from his hand, letting him target two creatures. One is his attacker, the other is a blocker. Am I missing something? It seems like a fine example so long as there is only one relevant blocker. That seems correct indeed. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On October 16 2013 01:40 woreyour wrote: so if this is the case then it makes it really good so let me just make sure im doing it correctly with examples. I have a battlewise hoplite (ready to attack), then I pop hiddenstings, targeting him to be untapped even if he is already untapped triggering his heroics making him 3/3. Encode it to him. Then probably tap opponent's blocker to make sure I can deal guaranteed damage to him. Then it would trigger another hiddenstrings (free) which again I target another permanent and again my hoplite to untap him and trigger another heroic making him 4/4? but damage taken by opponent is only 3? Am i correct? Be greedy. When the hoplite deals damage, have hidden strings tap him and untap one of your lands. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On October 16 2013 01:54 micronesia wrote: Well he casts hidden strings from his hand, letting him target two creatures. One is his attacker, the other is a blocker. Am I missing something? It seems like a fine example so long as there is only one relevant blocker. Oh it targets 2, I thought it was just one. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On October 16 2013 01:40 woreyour wrote: so if this is the case then it makes it really good so let me just make sure im doing it correctly with examples. I have a battlewise hoplite (ready to attack), then I pop hiddenstings, targeting him to be untapped even if he is already untapped triggering his heroics making him 3/3. Encode it to him. Then probably tap opponent's blocker to make sure I can deal guaranteed damage to him. Then it would trigger another hiddenstrings (free) which again I target another permanent and again my hoplite to untap him and trigger another heroic making him 4/4? but damage taken by opponent is only 3? Am i correct? Again, this is not exactly the correct order of things. Read my previous post. 1. Target your Hoplite and the opponent's creature at the same time. 2. Heroic triggers. 3. NOW you choose whether to tap or untap each of the two targets, and whether or not to encode with cipher. The outcome of your example is the same, but the timing is important. There is no gap between targets, and there is no declaration of tapping/untapping upon announcing those targets. | ||
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DEN1ED
United States1087 Posts
Also, ya hidden string can do silly things with heroic. The other day I was playing some janky UR deck for fun and turn 3 guttersnipe turn four cast 3 hiddenstrings targeting lands and my Akoran Crusader, Attacked for a ton and did 12 dmg off of guttersnipe total. Not consistent but fun when it works. | ||
MCMcEmcee
United States1609 Posts
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
Deck was hilarious though. | ||
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woreyour
582 Posts
On October 16 2013 02:04 Thieving Magpie wrote: Be greedy. When the hoplite deals damage, have hidden strings tap him and untap one of your lands. i was on the untapping of 2 lands to drop another 2 drop spell but im torn if that is better than a untapping him making him a 4/4 blocker on opponents turn if he has creatures. well should be a situation based decision then. also does encoding count as targetting? say hidden strings encoded to hoplite, does it trigger another heroic +1/+1 counter scry? | ||
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woreyour
582 Posts
On October 16 2013 09:22 deth2munkies wrote: I drafted the old 5 2 drop 3/3 minotaurs, 1 Rageblood Shaman, 2 Warcallers, 3 Borderland Minotaur, 1 Fanatic of Mogis deck. Missed an onboard kill game 1 because I was talking to a friend, then got manascrewed 3 games in a row before dropping (it was swiss at a shop). Deck was hilarious though. how many posible minotaurs can u draft for type 2? are there other 2 drop 3/3 minotaurs? I only see 1 set of 2 drops 2/3 regenataurs available. next best thing is 3 drop 2/3 undead minotaurs. I built a fun deck minotaur and im running out of them :D | ||
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woreyour
582 Posts
question with shamans, does 2 shamans make them +1/+1 each other? | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On October 16 2013 21:37 woreyour wrote: so i found 2 sets of 3 drop black minotaurs 2/3 ones with one black generic only to fit my set, felhides and undead + the erg raiders minotors with regen. + 4 hasted minotaurs + 4 shamman minotaurs question with shamans, does 2 shamans make them +1/+1 each other? Yes, they each have the Minotaur type so they will each benefit from the other's ability. | ||
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micronesia
United States24761 Posts
On October 16 2013 18:50 woreyour wrote: i was on the untapping of 2 lands to drop another 2 drop spell but im torn if that is better than a untapping him making him a 4/4 blocker on opponents turn if he has creatures. well should be a situation based decision then. also does encoding count as targetting? say hidden strings encoded to hoplite, does it trigger another heroic +1/+1 counter scry? I don't think so since heroic only triggers when the creature is the target of a spell. I don't think encoding counts as targeting by a spell. If I'm wrong I want to know because that would be pretty strong. By the way, please try not to post 3 times in a row... it is unnecessary. | ||
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Terrestrialrage
United States122 Posts
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micronesia
United States24761 Posts
On October 17 2013 00:23 Terrestrialrage wrote: Cipher specifically says "You may cast a copy of the encoded card." That sounds a lot like a spell, since it is being cast. My gut is telling me Cipher and Heroic do work together. When the creature it was encoded to hits an opponent, and the ciphered spell gets cast, that can target your heroic creatures and trigger the benefits. However, when you first cast the dimir spell, and it is getting encoded on to one of your creatures, the wording is "If this spell is represented by a card, you may exile this card encoded on a creature you control." Notice that it does not say target creature. | ||
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woreyour
582 Posts
On October 17 2013 00:27 micronesia wrote: When the creature it was encoded to hits an opponent, and the ciphered spell gets cast, that can target your heroic creatures and trigger the benefits. However, when you first cast the dimir spell, and it is getting encoded on to one of your creatures, the wording is "If this spell is represented by a card, you may exile this card encoded on a creature you control." Notice that it does not say target creature. Yea I read the help text for cipher too, it does not mention the word target, but the thing is same for enchant creature / aura. It does not say "target" but I read somewhere in the rullings that "enchanting" counts as targetting. So I am not sure if "encoding" has the same thing going on. I was thinking what other stuff that would work to a heroic deck, checking the "overload" mechanic. the word "target" gets change to "each" ( or "all" in the olden terms of magic). Overload would be pretty cool for heroic if it was "target" each creature. | ||
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micronesia
United States24761 Posts
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
Phone typing is hard. Creature auras have the text in them. You just dont see the help text. | ||
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On October 16 2013 01:40 woreyour wrote: so if this is the case then it makes it really good so let me just make sure im doing it correctly with examples. I have a battlewise hoplite (ready to attack), then I pop hiddenstings, targeting him to be untapped even if he is already untapped triggering his heroics making him 3/3. Encode it to him. Then probably tap opponent's blocker to make sure I can deal guaranteed damage to him. Then it would trigger another hiddenstrings (free) which again I target another permanent and again my hoplite to untap him and trigger another heroic making him 4/4? but damage taken by opponent is only 3? Am i correct? It is impossible for you to hit your opponent with a 4/4 Battlewise Hoplite and also tap your opponent's creature at the same time. Lemme break down how this will happen at every stage so there's no confusion.
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