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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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Meta
United States6225 Posts
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On September 02 2013 03:12 Meta wrote: Theros will be printed much more than Lorwyn was, after all RTR was the most printed set of all time, so the increase of supply will definitely bring down the price of thoughtseize. I estimate Thoughtseize will be sitting at around $25 around the time Theros goes out of print. After that, it'll slowly go up in price for the next few years. Pre-order on SCG is already $25 lol | ||
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cLAN.Anax
United States2847 Posts
Medomai, the Ageless is going to be a mythic, I know it. Extra turns just by hitting with a flyer? 3 toughness is right for that cost and benefit. With the Devotion mechanic, will we see a major break from more varied decks and a boost in mono-colored ones? Mixing Theros and Ravnica's playstyles into singular decks will prove...interesting. | ||
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
I'm glad Thoughtseize is going down in price. Hopefully they can do this overtime with more cards and make modern less like legacy in pricing respects. | ||
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Narcind
Sweden2489 Posts
On September 02 2013 04:30 Shotcoder wrote: Pick up your Liliana of the Veils while you can boys. When modern season hit that shit will go the way of Bob. I'm glad Thoughtseize is going down in price. Hopefully they can do this overtime with more cards and make modern less like legacy in pricing respects. Liliana is already like the same price as bob though, but yeah it's only going to keep going up in price since it's the second best planeswalker ever printed, and I'd say the difference between second and third is MASSIVE, so yeah. | ||
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
On September 02 2013 03:27 cLAN.Anax wrote: Oh wow, I looked it up on Gatherer. That's...phenomenal. :-o Medomai, the Ageless is going to be a mythic, I know it. Extra turns just by hitting with a flyer? 3 toughness is right for that cost and benefit. With the Devotion mechanic, will we see a major break from more varied decks and a boost in mono-colored ones? Mixing Theros and Ravnica's playstyles into singular decks will prove...interesting. Not really, I think it will move to a Xy instead of an XY set-up. I mean some of these cards look so strong in double color decks. That 1 mana enchantment? I'm playing Rw in the next set splashing for that and Helix/Charm. Also Lilly is $40-45, it'll hit probably $60 when modern season hits and everyone wants to play Jund. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On September 01 2013 18:57 Kinie wrote: Even if she was 5 cmc with those same abilites and 1 less loyalty, pretty sure you'd pay 5 mana to selectively wipe out the things that could kill Jace, or put up a gigantic wall of chump blockers so you could keep him around for longer with his +1. I mean, she's a powerful Limited card, but I'm having trouble seeing her used outside of it. Like none of the current decks that use white would want her outside of the Elfball deck as a 1 or 2-of, to put a bajillion 1/1s on the field, so you can go Hoofing for a bajillion damage next turn. But Hoof rotates, along with most of the Elfball deck. Garruk's 6 cmc is justified because he "cheats" green fatties into play, and if you build your deck with his +1 in mind, you will generally go, "+1, draw 3 cards." It just depends on the other competitive decks during the season. Can she be a (much worse) Grave Titan sort of turn 6 play? Or a Planeswalker that can crack some kind of UB control deck if you can slide her onto the board? Personally, I think no. But who knows? | ||
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Thereisnosaurus
Australia1822 Posts
And of course she's the classic 'tap six I win the game' card in limited... So far the Thassa's Emissary looks to be one of the most promising cards in the set, 4 mana for a 3/3 blue is really solid, and with the draw a card and bestow capabilities I feel it's a shoe-in for control decks looking to have something to push card advantage. Super strong in limited too... Curse of the Swine looks nice for constructed, definitely a heavy punish card for control decks going up against creature or manland strategies. Doesn't take the beating pressure off you, but turning all those boros activations into pigs or what have you seems solid. At worst, it's a solid 3 mana removal spell with a minor drawback. Nykthos seems interesting, certainly makes going heavily into a major colour with a gold-splash strong. I forsee some powerful decks using that guy. | ||
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
On September 02 2013 13:41 Thereisnosaurus wrote: I agree, from what we've seen I don't think elspeth is a standard constructed card. I think she has some good applications in modern where those tokens are going to do a lot more work with other human synergies and splashable ramp. It's the same reason why lingering souls was so great in old standard with lilly in the format. it fucks with her ability to board stall really hard- that's how I think of this, at worst it's a more or less 8mana worth of lingering souls with a 6 damage prevention on it over two turns. In modern it's unlikely they're going to be able to kill her the turn she comes down with hard removal or her being a 3-for-1. It's just the sort of curve capper a white weenie or boros deck wants. if she isn't playable in Standard why would you even think she's playable in modern where you consistently lose turn 3-5? If anything she's the finisher of a midrange or control deck. I think She's better than her earlier rendition by a large margin. She boardwipes midrange threats that the big decks couldn't deal with efficiently(Blood Baron anyone?), stalls the game super hard and gives you a way to finish with those stallers. In post rotation standard I will go out on a limb and call her the best or second best planeswalker. | ||
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Thereisnosaurus
Australia1822 Posts
if she isn't playable in Standard why would you even think she's playable in modern where you consistently lose turn 3-5? Because modern has a lot wider range of synergies and tactics available. I don't think she's a maindeck card but I can definitely see her as a sideboard against creature heavy matchups. There's also subtle things like the fact that modern decks rely a lot more on powerful spot removal like path to exile, liliana of the viel or abrupt decay rather than wraths or boardwipers. Anything which generates lots of tokens can really fuck with that (which is why lingering souls is such a strong card in modern), particularly with liliana and other sacrifice type removal traditionally strong in the format. In those matchups, games aren't going to be over by turns 3-5 because you'll both have spent those turns trading out your cards and one or other of you will probably be one creature in the lead and ready to lock down the board. I don't see many cards stronger than this at either cementing that advantage or flipping it back in white. In post rotation standard I will go out on a limb and call her the best or second best planeswalker. That may just be true, of course, there aren't exactly that many stellar planeswalkers in the format now. Chandra and garruk are competitive, from what I'm seeing of the blue-red cards floating around ral might make a more frequent appearance and domri has always been situationally very strong. I just think that with the white tokens/humans theme rotating out with innistrad/m13, she isn't really doing what white wants to be doing at this point in standard, outside of UW control, and aetherling kind of has the finisher wrapped up for that archetype. She might be a good alternative in certain matchups tho. | ||
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On September 02 2013 13:41 Thereisnosaurus wrote: I agree, from what we've seen I don't think elspeth is a standard constructed card. I think she has some good applications in modern where those tokens are going to do a lot more work with other human synergies and splashable ramp. It's the same reason why lingering souls was so great in old standard with lilly in the format. it fucks with her ability to board stall really hard- that's how I think of this, at worst it's a more or less 8mana worth of lingering souls with a 6 damage prevention on it over two turns. In modern it's unlikely they're going to be able to kill her the turn she comes down with hard removal or her being a 3-for-1. It's just the sort of curve capper a white weenie or boros deck wants. I'm all for keeping an open mind, but I don't think she's even close to good enough for Modern! Standard is much more of a possibility. Consider which Planeswalkers are even played in the format? Liliana of the Veil is basically ubiquitous and Karn is useful in Modern Tron but besides that? You hardly see any of Jace Beleren; Gideon Jura; Garruk, Primal Hunter; Garruk Relentless; Sorin, Lord of Innistrad; Ajani Vengent. Even Elspeth, Knight Errant see only some play in Modern. And most of those guys were impact players in their Standard environments. | ||
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caelym
United States6421 Posts
On September 02 2013 04:30 Shotcoder wrote: Pick up your Liliana of the Veils while you can boys. When modern season hit that shit will go the way of Bob. I'm glad Thoughtseize is going down in price. Hopefully they can do this overtime with more cards and make modern less like legacy in pricing respects. when is modern season? | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
On September 02 2013 14:05 Shotcoder wrote: 5 drop elspeth make 3 1/1 tokens as well and doesnt even see play(sometimes as a 1 of in BW tokens) BW tokens is really the only viable deck but 4 drop elspeth and Sorin both seem much better. that was a -2 ability, this is a +1 ability, I feel like this is worth 1 mana. 4 drop elspeth is basically one of the best planeswalker cards | ||
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
Modern PTQ season...I have no idea since I don't play modern. On September 02 2013 14:46 BlueBird. wrote: that was a -2 ability, this is a +1 ability, I feel like this is worth 1 mana. 4 drop elspeth is basically one of the best planeswalker cards That's not the point. The point is that she is a one of at best for 1 less mana that has the same effect. She wont see play if it's 1 more mana. Especially since the deck doesnt even touch 6 mana cost cards as it is. Both Knight Errant and Sorin have a bigger impact for the deck even thought they cost less. +2/+2 and flying or +1/0 on for is much more relevant than trying to make 1/1's to stall at 6. Off-topic: I honestly think unbanning Jace would be ok in modern. It sorted itself out in legacy and I think it could in modern as well. | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27157 Posts
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caelym
United States6421 Posts
On September 02 2013 15:18 Shotcoder wrote: Modern PTQ season...I have no idea since I don't play modern. if you don't know, why do you talk about it? anyway it's next summer  http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=528021 | ||
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cLAN.Anax
United States2847 Posts
The answer to Storm Herd. :-> ...For a turn. X-D | ||
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
On September 02 2013 16:15 caelym wrote: if you don't know, why do you talk about it? anyway it's next summer http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=528021Why? because that's when modern card will go up in price do to demand. Why even ask such a dumb question? I own lilianas of course I'm going to be interested when they're price is going to almost double. | ||
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