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On May 01 2013 01:57 Judicator wrote:


None of those cards matter. The deck plays like a Junk rites deck except without any of the back breaking interactions, so its pretty bland.

On April 30 2013 22:51 Fawkes wrote:
I'm curious, I didn't get to go to the pre-release in my area. What happens at a pre-release usually? Are there things you can get there that you normally can't get?

Kinda new to all this stuff.

On April 29 2013 17:30 BlueBird. wrote:
Anyone attending GP Portland, I'm already committed on a deck so I can't really think/change much about it, and I haven't played modern since the eggs ban so I hope everything goes smooth. Just looking to make Day 2 at my home GP would be nice, but I won't call it a bad weekend if I don't make Day 2.

On May 01 2013 02:17 Shotcoder wrote:


I feel like a resolved sorin rapes Esper unless you land Jace the subsequent turn, but this is my one event in standard so I expect Judicator to tell me how wrong I am lol(not being a dick just honest)

I feel like you need to do something more aggro with less emphasis on the 5 drops for thrag and such.

1: Deathrite/doomed traveler/Tragic slip
2: Skirsdag/Aristocrat/Knight of Infamy and Orzhov Charm/Selesnya Charm/devour/Abrupt Decay
3: Centaur Healer/Nighthawk/Lingering Souls/Putrefy
4:Sorin/Bloodline Keeper/Restoration Angel
5: Blood Baron/Obzedat(One main the other in the board since blood baron is much better vs Aggro and obzedat vs control)

Board should have Sin Collectors, RiP, Appetite, Nevermores...etc

On May 01 2013 03:36 MoonBear wrote:

It's a chance to play with all the new stuff and have fun in at an event. Think if it like holding an early party for the launch of a new set, getting to play with all the new cards and being silly.


Know how to play the matchups against all the major decks (all forms of UWR, the new Elf Combo people will definitely be wanting to run, Pod, Afinity, Gifts, Tron, Boggles, etc.) and when you face a rouge deck think of what their plan of attack is and attack the weak point. Jund (like UWR Midrange) is just Goodstuff.dec so in long attrition battles you're happy to rely on your superior card quality a lot of the time.

Also, I find it silly that Jund can just casually splash colours for power cards. Saw a Blue-Jund splashing for Snapcaster and Mana Leak. Real terror. That being said, White is much nicer for better sideboard options.

On May 01 2013 07:03 EMIYA wrote:
naya midrange looking any better with DGM?

not sure how great tajic will be, but im still looking to find a way to use my promo firemane avengers. aurelia too of course

On May 01 2013 04:48 Judicator wrote:


The issue with Sorin and any Planeswalker not named Jace or 5-Garruk is that they don't net you any card advantage. Sorin doesn't kill, won't kill and will never kill in a creature based deck against Esper. It's the simple fact that Planar as a complete board wipe takes away so many of the planeswalker lines. 5-Jace nets you card advantage and provokes a tap out, 5-Garruk can do the same. Sorin, doesn't really matter, an Augur stops tokens and a Resto can pressure it. It's only mediocre if you untap with it and if you somehow manage to force the Esper player to throw away cards on it.

you're also forgetting the fact i'm going to adding pressure to the board as well. of course sorin himself can't win the game but in conjunction it makes you attack and block differently. SO you resto? I still run removal and other creatures that can chump and in trun make unfavorable life swings the other way.

The flip side is that if they go, untap 5-Jace, then what? You realistically can't kill the Jace before it nets them a few cards and then they would have no qualms about just straight up PC-ing you. It's a game of margins and resolving a Sorin, while nice isn't that big of a deal. It's almost like Liliana in the Jund match up, you think that card would be great, but it turns out to be otherwise outside of very specific cases.

That's what I said. Sorin's worst follow up is you going Jace 5 and passing...but at that point I can just ult Sori before I get milled and win with your jace.

For a long time going back to the old standard, PWs were the best way to beat a UW or UB control deck. That was true until Planar Cleansing was added to the 75. It really cut into those lines really effectively. Sin Collector is a fine card, but it boils down to this, it doesn't hit the PWs, and unless you manage to hit a relevant spell, you're playing 3 mana for a 2/1. Not the greatest and really terrible later on outside of specific situations, uh tap 3 mana, you Sphinx for 5+ then it's like hmm I really rather get rid of the threats (PWs) you drew and not a Dissipate/Think Twice/Charm.

Planar Cleansing isn't even in the 75 of a lot of Esper decks, especially the ones played on MTGO. Looking at the Last Star City that Esper placed it wasn't in Ben Lundquist's list either

As for hard to answer cards, you know what cards are hard to answer? Card's that actually kill the Esper player or hinder the player before they rip off a relevant Revelation. None of the cards listed by deth2munkies does that, Sigarda doesn't really do that courtesy of Verdict and Cleansing.

which is Why Sorin is a good answer to verdict. You verdict and you just make a dude...and if he ever ultimates then what happens?

Trying to play the mid game against Esper is a pointless proposition unless you have strong disruption like Jund or infinite synergy like Junk Rites; it's essentially an aggro match up for them except their life point totals are never in danger of going to 0 on turn 4.

Why do we assume we have infinite cards in hand and they're always the right cards?

Edit:
Trying to play the not get milled option against Esper is also a losing proposition if you don't have counterspells. Pithing Needle is fine, but it's not a big deal like I have said before. That card is so bleh unless you are stopping POWERFUL things, Esper isn't doing anything super powerful nor is it trying to do it as quickly as possible, there's no downside to Esper just waiting it out and sculpting their hands while you aren't killing them.

On May 01 2013 07:25 BlueBird. wrote:


Jund is a silly deck man .

Combo Elves is something I have no experience against(since glimpse decks went away), but I can inquisiton/Thoughtsieze "Beck" at least, I might need to add some kind of pyroclasm in to my sb I will look in to it.

On May 01 2013 07:03 EMIYA wrote:
naya midrange looking any better with DGM?

not sure how great tajic will be, but im still looking to find a way to use my promo firemane avengers. aurelia too of course

On May 01 2013 22:08 Judicator wrote:


Sorin doesn't do anything. It's not a relevant spell for me. I just need tempo to kill you off of a Jace, Sorin's ulti means you would have to be at <15 cards in deck. Not really a point. Pressure is only relevant if it threatens to kill me, and a deck without burn means you have to fight through Revelation, not really a favorable fight. Sorin doesn't advance the board in a relevant manner, his ultimate can be largely irrelevant, not sure what else you are going to pressure me with other than a Obzedat (Thrags are A-Ok).

Cleansing not 75 is because the card does nothing against Junk Rites, people moved to Terminus for that reason, still a mistake to take it out of the 75. Ben's deck is whatever he felt was good for the meta at SCG Milwaukee.

As for playing with infinite cards, I am playing with Sphinx's and you are not, do you really want to go down a road of attrition while my life points hover at 15+? I'll take my chances with that line any day.

On May 01 2013 22:08 Judicator wrote:


Sorin doesn't do anything. It's not a relevant spell for me. I just need tempo to kill you off of a Jace, Sorin's ulti means you would have to be at <15 cards in deck. Not really a point. Pressure is only relevant if it threatens to kill me, and a deck without burn means you have to fight through Revelation, not really a favorable fight. Sorin doesn't advance the board in a relevant manner, his ultimate can be largely irrelevant, not sure what else you are going to pressure me with other than a Obzedat (Thrags are A-Ok).

Cleansing not 75 is because the card does nothing against Junk Rites, people moved to Terminus for that reason, still a mistake to take it out of the 75. Ben's deck is whatever he felt was good for the meta at SCG Milwaukee.

As for playing with infinite cards, I am playing with Sphinx's and you are not, do you really want to go down a road of attrition while my life points hover at 15+? I'll take my chances with that line any day.

On May 02 2013 01:57 Judicator wrote:
You two are more than welcome to test Esper Control versus Junk Midrange. You'll find the match up more than terrible. Hit me up, since you two are somehow convinced that Sorin/Sigarda are good options against Esper.

Edit:

As for not knowing how to play Sorin, hilarious, don't you find it odd that I took Sorin out of the deck AFTER Esper showed up for PT GTC? Don't you find it odd that Sorin hasn't been in Esper control at all?

On May 02 2013 02:18 Judicator wrote:


Esper Control =/= Esper Walkers two completely different decks.

Edit:

Note the Jace choice, Lingering Souls, and...Liliana.

Edit 2:

I watched Shaheen play that deck, it wasn't called Esper Control on stream. LSV did some videos on it as well.

Edit 3:

At least read the damn list, what kind of Esper control deck rolls with only 2 Sphinx's.