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On February 21 2013 03:51 MCMcEmcee wrote:
Judicator-
Green is primarily for Deathrite and Decay, Dryad is really just there as a 2-drop that is easy to cast that gets big. I did try loltroll for a bit because of Azorius Charm and Supreme Verdict, but it's too hard to reliably cast on turn 2.
Currently playing BUG because of the local upswing of Reckoners specifically and older Saito lists in general. Reckoner is a pain when all of your creatures are small and all of your removal is burn zzz.
The Azorius Charm issue is known and has already affected a lot of my work on the deck after this past weekend, though there is not a lot of Esper/UWR/Bant locally compared to RGx aggro. Mizzium Skin and Dispel probably making it into the maindeck, some removal choices are going to be looked at, etc.
Might just play UWR since I have it fully built and sleeved anyways lol
That's reasonable then, I am biased against the Esper matchups namely because that's the most mentally breaking way to lost in standard right now, the one where your opponent decides to put you on 60 life and still crush you.
@Jinglehell
The list is lacking where every creature deck is fighting for dominance right now, mid game, turns 4-6. I don't think your deck can challenge aggro lists in speed nor can you challenge mid-range decks for power/creature quality. Is there any chance of you running the Experiment Jund deck lists? Look over that and we can see if there's subs to cards that it runs that you lack.
@JT
Aurelia's Fury is better than Bonfire if you know the proper lines. Bonfire is just an over-costed situational fireball at this point which is why you saw more Mizzium Mortars at PT Gatecrash than Bonfires among the teams using mountains. Flexibility is the biggest thing in the format right now.
@Risen
I hope you understand that list is a very tuned list. Esper players do not have the luxury of netdecking or close to it, we have to guess/estimate the meta. If you know your meta, its ok. I tested Planar Cleansing recently over Merciless Eviction and pretty much came to the conclusion that its lines are good if you can first induce a reaction from opposing Naya/Jund players since you can play around their PWs very safely IF IF IF IF IF they don't have one of their X spells, if they do, then you are just going to have to ceded that card advantage and cast it on 8. 2 PCs is overkill though. If you aren't running PWs main, then you need that 4th Sphinx's Revelation. I would still run 1 of each for simple card value because I do believe any PWs is better than the 4th AC and Think Twice.
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On February 21 2013 04:45 Trotske wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 02:31 Trotske wrote:
Thoughts on a Agro/miller deck? I jsut started playing MtG and have pulled quite a few dimir cards that seem to work ok for a mill/agro deck. I will post the current decklist when I get home but would love some input of some good cards that I should be looking to trade for. So here is my current deck (please note this is the first deck I have ever made) + Show Spoiler +Devour flesh x 2
midnight recovery x 1
crypt ghast x 1
psychic strike x 1
whispering madness x 1
scatter arc x 1
paroniod delusions x 1
undercity informer x 2
slate street ruffian x 3
wight of precinct six x 4
gridlock x 1
consuming aberration x1
gitaxian probe x 1
mind grind x 1
balustrade spy x 3
grisly spectacle x 2
coerced confession x 2
hands of binding x 1
sepulchral primordial x 1
duskmantle guildmage x1
dimir charm x1
watery Grave x 1
Dimir guildgate x 4
10 swamp
8 island Some of the cards in there are simply because I don't have better ones and some of those I want more of but don't have them. Would love to know some better cards to round the deck out / if you guys think I should scrap it because its going to lose to everyone at a constructed FNM. just trying to play draft right now until i get more cards but thought I could make some decks. Thinking about making a gruul deck next. Question: Can you put a boros reck in a gruul deck? I pulled one and I figure since its pretty good why not but I don't have many gates for a gruul deck or any shocklands so it might be hard to get 4 mountains at any reasonable time.
Well, Boros Reckoner fits fine with Gruul, assuming you have the mana.
Your Dimir deck looks painfully inconsistent, even compared to my standards (largely in the same boat with cards). You'll basically just get walked all over if you try to play standard. Both of my decks do, and at least those have good odds of giving me the cards I want.
Roughly: You can't make the Undercity informers work, because you have no creatures. Your mana curve is bizarre for creatures, you'll just die to anything even vaguely aggro. The Crypt Ghast is barely useful, by the time he's out you barely need more mana.
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On February 21 2013 04:59 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 03:51 MCMcEmcee wrote:
Judicator-
Green is primarily for Deathrite and Decay, Dryad is really just there as a 2-drop that is easy to cast that gets big. I did try loltroll for a bit because of Azorius Charm and Supreme Verdict, but it's too hard to reliably cast on turn 2.
Currently playing BUG because of the local upswing of Reckoners specifically and older Saito lists in general. Reckoner is a pain when all of your creatures are small and all of your removal is burn zzz.
The Azorius Charm issue is known and has already affected a lot of my work on the deck after this past weekend, though there is not a lot of Esper/UWR/Bant locally compared to RGx aggro. Mizzium Skin and Dispel probably making it into the maindeck, some removal choices are going to be looked at, etc.
Might just play UWR since I have it fully built and sleeved anyways lol That's reasonable then, I am biased against the Esper matchups namely because that's the most mentally breaking way to lost in standard right now, the one where your opponent decides to put you on 60 life and still crush you. @Jinglehell The list is lacking where every creature deck is fighting for dominance right now, mid game, turns 4-6. I don't think your deck can challenge aggro lists in speed nor can you challenge mid-range decks for power/creature quality. Is there any chance of you running the Experiment Jund deck lists? Look over that and we can see if there's subs to cards that it runs that you lack. @JT Aurelia's Fury is better than Bonfire if you know the proper lines. Bonfire is just an over-costed situational fireball at this point which is why you saw more Mizzium Mortars at PT Gatecrash than Bonfires among the teams using mountains. Flexibility is the biggest thing in the format right now. @Risen I hope you understand that list is a very tuned list. Esper players do not have the luxury of netdecking or close to it, we have to guess/estimate the meta. If you know your meta, its ok. I tested Planar Cleansing recently over Merciless Eviction and pretty much came to the conclusion that its lines are good if you can first induce a reaction from opposing Naya/Jund players since you can play around their PWs very safely IF IF IF IF IF they don't have one of their X spells, if they do, then you are just going to have to ceded that card advantage and cast it on 8. 2 PCs is overkill though. If you aren't running PWs main, then you need that 4th Sphinx's Revelation. I would still run 1 of each for simple card value because I do believe any PWs is better than the 4th AC and Think Twice.
I appreciate that insight alot :D . I think I'll run 1 bonfire, 1 aurelia's and 2 mortars. Any thought on trying to squeeze Thundermaw into that list? Is double red too prohibitive in a 4 colour deck like that?
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On February 21 2013 03:37 Sn0_Man wrote:I'd cut some combination of daring skyjek and skyknight legionnaire. Note that with 8 white 1drops and only 10 possible untapped white sources on turn 1, you may wish to cut ~2 mountains for plains. Sideboard you definitely want some number of skullcrack. Beyond that, maybe a thundermaw hellkite or 2? (okay thats pretty expensive). Otherwise I don't really know 
Good point about the mountains plains, I honestly hadn't put that much thought into the manabase I was considering taking out just all 4 skyknight legionnaires for the reckoners, my reasoning being that I want to keep my curve as low as possible and skyknight being a bit underwhelming for 3 mana. I have a few skullcracks laying around, so I'll certainly put those in the sideboard. Thundermaw hellkite is indeed a bit expensive currently, but I could certainly look into picking them up later. Would something like hellrider be good main/side? It's a bit expensive but seems like it could be a good finisher. Then again I feel like a lot of this decks strength comes from it's speed so I'm not sure 4 drops are things I want.
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On February 21 2013 04:59 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 03:51 MCMcEmcee wrote:
Judicator-
Green is primarily for Deathrite and Decay, Dryad is really just there as a 2-drop that is easy to cast that gets big. I did try loltroll for a bit because of Azorius Charm and Supreme Verdict, but it's too hard to reliably cast on turn 2.
Currently playing BUG because of the local upswing of Reckoners specifically and older Saito lists in general. Reckoner is a pain when all of your creatures are small and all of your removal is burn zzz.
The Azorius Charm issue is known and has already affected a lot of my work on the deck after this past weekend, though there is not a lot of Esper/UWR/Bant locally compared to RGx aggro. Mizzium Skin and Dispel probably making it into the maindeck, some removal choices are going to be looked at, etc.
Might just play UWR since I have it fully built and sleeved anyways lol That's reasonable then, I am biased against the Esper matchups namely because that's the most mentally breaking way to lost in standard right now, the one where your opponent decides to put you on 60 life and still crush you. @Jinglehell The list is lacking where every creature deck is fighting for dominance right now, mid game, turns 4-6. I don't think your deck can challenge aggro lists in speed nor can you challenge mid-range decks for power/creature quality. Is there any chance of you running the Experiment Jund deck lists? Look over that and we can see if there's subs to cards that it runs that you lack. + Show Spoiler +@JT
Aurelia's Fury is better than Bonfire if you know the proper lines. Bonfire is just an over-costed situational fireball at this point which is why you saw more Mizzium Mortars at PT Gatecrash than Bonfires among the teams using mountains. Flexibility is the biggest thing in the format right now.
@Risen
I hope you understand that list is a very tuned list. Esper players do not have the luxury of netdecking or close to it, we have to guess/estimate the meta. If you know your meta, its ok. I tested Planar Cleansing recently over Merciless Eviction and pretty much came to the conclusion that its lines are good if you can first induce a reaction from opposing Naya/Jund players since you can play around their PWs very safely IF IF IF IF IF they don't have one of their X spells, if they do, then you are just going to have to ceded that card advantage and cast it on 8. 2 PCs is overkill though. If you aren't running PWs main, then you need that 4th Sphinx's Revelation. I would still run 1 of each for simple card value because I do believe any PWs is better than the 4th AC and Think Twice.
I have 2x Experiment One, 3x Abrupt Decay, 2x Dreg Mangler, 2x Ghor Clan Rampager, 2x Searing Spear, out of that list.
Oh, and 4 of the needed Lands, 2 Rootbound, 1 Blood Crypt, 1 Summit.
I doubt there's a way to directly substitute the hard to trade ones from the list. Available slightly interesting things I have, aside from the stuff I listed earlier, 2x Stromkirk, 2x Bladetusk, metric fuckton of Knight of Infamy, a Reckless Waif, some Flunkies, the entire Gruul Goliaths and Sole Domination decks, a set of Disciple of the Old Ways, a couple of guildmages, a set of Golgari Charms, and assorted old draft.
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Yes hellrider is good. a few 4-drops are fine. If you have/can find hellrider they will improve your deck.
the 3/1 for 2 with battalion flying is pretty weak and I'd look at cutting them and the legionaire for reckoner/hellrider if you have the cards.
Hellrider turn 5/6 because you missed a land drop is still often a strong play. You want to kill them before they verdict you, and barring that you want to come in fast with haste creatures post-verdict. Hellrider is excellent in both situations.
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@Jingle
Reckless Waif is ok, not great but ok. Do you have any of those Boars?
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On February 21 2013 05:13 Judicator wrote:
@Jingle
Reckless Waif is ok, not great but ok. Do you have any of those Boars?
Yeah, just 2 though.
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Those Boars were uncommons, nobody around has them?
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On February 21 2013 05:12 Sn0_Man wrote:
Yes hellrider is good. a few 4-drops are fine. If you have/can find hellrider they will improve your deck.
the 3/1 for 2 with battalion flying is pretty weak and I'd look at cutting them and the legionaire for reckoner/hellrider if you have the cards.
Hellrider turn 5/6 because you missed a land drop is still often a strong play. You want to kill them before they verdict you, and barring that you want to come in fast with haste creatures post-verdict. Hellrider is excellent in both situations.
So if I wanted to replace all the Skyjeks and all the legionnares should I just be putting in 4x reckoner and 4x hellrider or would you suggest other cards as well?
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On February 21 2013 05:17 Judicator wrote:
Those Boars were uncommons, nobody around has them?
I'm sure they do, the problem is finding people who want the shit I have that's worth anything. Super cheap cards, I can buy, though, within reason.
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On February 21 2013 05:19 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 05:17 Judicator wrote:
Those Boars were uncommons, nobody around has them? I'm sure they do, the problem is finding people who want the shit I have that's worth anything. Super cheap cards, I can buy, though, within reason.
Really shouldn't be over 50 cents for those Boars. I would make my curve more reliable and cut the Rakdos, and Carnival Hellsteeds. Hellsteeds are good, but so bleh.
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On February 21 2013 05:21 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 05:19 JingleHell wrote:On February 21 2013 05:17 Judicator wrote:
Those Boars were uncommons, nobody around has them? I'm sure they do, the problem is finding people who want the shit I have that's worth anything. Super cheap cards, I can buy, though, within reason. Really shouldn't be over 50 cents for those Boars. I would make my curve more reliable and cut the Rakdos, and Carnival Hellsteeds. Hellsteeds are good, but so bleh.
So just go for a hard, low curve with as much smash as I can squeeze in?
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When you say one of each, you mean tamiyo/jace?
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On February 21 2013 05:25 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 05:21 Judicator wrote:On February 21 2013 05:19 JingleHell wrote:On February 21 2013 05:17 Judicator wrote:
Those Boars were uncommons, nobody around has them? I'm sure they do, the problem is finding people who want the shit I have that's worth anything. Super cheap cards, I can buy, though, within reason. Really shouldn't be over 50 cents for those Boars. I would make my curve more reliable and cut the Rakdos, and Carnival Hellsteeds. Hellsteeds are good, but so bleh. So just go for a hard, low curve with as much smash as I can squeeze in?
That is how you win on a budget yes.
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On February 21 2013 05:18 Tarias wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 05:12 Sn0_Man wrote:
Yes hellrider is good. a few 4-drops are fine. If you have/can find hellrider they will improve your deck.
the 3/1 for 2 with battalion flying is pretty weak and I'd look at cutting them and the legionaire for reckoner/hellrider if you have the cards.
Hellrider turn 5/6 because you missed a land drop is still often a strong play. You want to kill them before they verdict you, and barring that you want to come in fast with haste creatures post-verdict. Hellrider is excellent in both situations. So if I wanted to replace all the Skyjeks and all the legionnares should I just be putting in 4x reckoner and 4x hellrider or would you suggest other cards as well?
Dunno, I'd probably stick with 3x reckoner. Its really good and all but I feel like your deck is going to lose primarily to sweepers and reckoner doesn't help against that. Drawing 1 is probably pretty good because it is so effective in combat (and is pretty strong vs Bonfire/Mizzium Mortars type plays) but I'm not sure you need the full playset. Another thalia would help the deck though IMO.
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On February 21 2013 05:25 Risen wrote:
When you say one of each, you mean tamiyo/jace?
I would say you have space for 2 or 3 PWs, which ones is up to you.
On February 21 2013 05:25 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 05:21 Judicator wrote:On February 21 2013 05:19 JingleHell wrote:On February 21 2013 05:17 Judicator wrote:
Those Boars were uncommons, nobody around has them? I'm sure they do, the problem is finding people who want the shit I have that's worth anything. Super cheap cards, I can buy, though, within reason. Really shouldn't be over 50 cents for those Boars. I would make my curve more reliable and cut the Rakdos, and Carnival Hellsteeds. Hellsteeds are good, but so bleh. So just go for a hard, low curve with as much smash as I can squeeze in?
Make it lean towards 2 and 3 drops with like minimal 4 and 5 drops. Games that go long are not in your favor. Minimize your colors to 2, making the third color a minor splash. Pyreheart Wolf might be your friend in that list.
You don't want cards that will just sit in your hand and do nothing.
Also, do you have someone around you who is willing to let you borrow cards for the event?
Edit:
Also, SOB I just realized Gameday was this weekend and my friend still has my Esper deck from SCG. Need to get it.
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On February 21 2013 05:29 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 05:25 Risen wrote:
When you say one of each, you mean tamiyo/jace? I would say you have space for 2 or 3 PWs, which ones is up to you. Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 05:25 JingleHell wrote:On February 21 2013 05:21 Judicator wrote:On February 21 2013 05:19 JingleHell wrote:On February 21 2013 05:17 Judicator wrote:
Those Boars were uncommons, nobody around has them? I'm sure they do, the problem is finding people who want the shit I have that's worth anything. Super cheap cards, I can buy, though, within reason. Really shouldn't be over 50 cents for those Boars. I would make my curve more reliable and cut the Rakdos, and Carnival Hellsteeds. Hellsteeds are good, but so bleh. So just go for a hard, low curve with as much smash as I can squeeze in? Make it lean towards 2 and 3 drops with like minimal 4 and 5 drops. Games that go long are not in your favor. Minimize your colors to 2, making the third color a minor splash. Pyreheart Wolf might be your friend in that list. You don't want cards that will just sit in your hand and do nothing. Also, do you have someone around you who is willing to let you borrow cards for the event?
Actually, I do have Pyrehearts that I forgot to mention. 2-3 of em. Doubt I could borrow cards, don't really know most of them that well yet.
How do you feel about using Predator's Rapport as a budget Thragtusk-on-a-stick?
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A pure lifegain card like that is generally quite bad and also very far from what you're trying to do when being aggressive.
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No. Don't do that.
Tweak it accordingly and post a new list.
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