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On February 17 2013 06:09 deth2munkies wrote:
Alright, finally got time to post my list:

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Played against Mono Red, Naya Humans, and 2x Esper control and only dropped 1 game against mono red when I mulled to 5 on the draw and had him dead on board and he ripped his second Hellrider

4/4 is very big in a format dominated by aggro decks playing 2/2s and 3/3s, I can normally get one out on T2 or T3 and start blocking against aggro decks. Even Boros Reckoner is usually forced to just trade with it rather than dome me, because I'll only be dropping more 4 toughness dudes over and over every turn. It's possible for a very fast draw from humans or that R/G deck that can get 4-5 creatures out on turn 4 to just run me over, but so far that hasn't really happened. The deck does somewhat stumble without a mana dork/farseek in the opening hand, but playing 10 of those effects virtually guarantees I'll get one in the first couple of turns on the draw.

Against control decks, having an uncounterable smiter and 19 MUST ANSWER threats usually overwhelms their removal suite, and it's really easy to not overextend into verdict with this deck, plus you have Boros Charm. Sideboard (which is still under construction) has some number of Skullcracks, Thalias, and Garruks to come in for mana dorks and Silverblades.

Against other Midrange decks, we usually go over the top with Ghor Clan bloodrush and Silverheart. Aurelia's Fury dominates boardstalls by letting us tap their entire team and alpha for the win. Considering a second in the sideboard (if I can get a hold of a second one).

Why am I not playing Aurelia herself? She's kind of expensive and very hard on the color commitment in an almost entirely green/white deck. The deck is pretty much G/W midrange splash red for Boros Charm, Fury, and Rampager. Besides, I think Silverheart is just better in a lot of situations where you need a huge blocker, plus he plays very nicely with Rampager, Silverblade, and Restoration Angel.

On February 21 2013 05:39 Judicator wrote:
No. Don't do that.

Tweak it accordingly and post a new list.

On February 21 2013 06:07 JingleHell wrote:
You'd actually keep Disciple over Shred Freak? Everyone keeps telling me it's not as good.

On February 21 2013 06:20 JingleHell wrote:
Do the Flinthoof Boars make me too green dependent to get a safe line of drops? If I take out the Shred-Freaks, I'm left with absolutely zero red involved in my 2 drops.

Especially since my 1 drops pretty much expect red.

On February 21 2013 06:22 Judicator wrote:


That's reasonable, Cacklers aren't important.You have to look for cards to get around Boros Reckoners and Smiters.

On February 21 2013 05:53 Judicator wrote:
Avenger is not that good against the Esper decks, only against players who don't know how to deal with it. It's worse than Geist against the Esper lists and that card is pretty bad as is. Keep that in mind. 3 Power isn't going to kill Esper.

I am just going to fully explain this. 3 power flash on 3 is literal nothing against Esper, I'll Flesh on your eot or on your cast, if you cast another spell you're going in on Terminus/Verdict. Likewise, Azorius Charm beats it cleanly, same for Tragic Slip. In that match up, Esper players just avoid the Garruks and they can win in a comfortable fashion, you'll never actually reach the point where you threaten the game because you are missing red, so you have no reach. I don't have to worry about keeping my life above a certain point like 6 or 4 in Boros mid range/aggro, or respect a Kessig, there's nothing.

The lines are actually not that great if the Esper player recognizes the match up, if not, then you do have quite the advantage.

Just to clarify some more, 3 damage is only 3 damage straight up in GW's case, I am not going to get 3-into-X-ed via Wolf Run or something like that. It's fairly straight up and that does not work in GW's favor.

On February 21 2013 06:24 JingleHell wrote:


For that, would I want my Wasteland Vipers back in? Deathtouch 1/2 is about the perfect card to chump into a Reckoner or Smiter while I wait for good cards.

Actually, it's about the perfect card to chump anything that hits above it's weight class, assuming it doesn't trample.

On February 21 2013 08:16 Judicator wrote:


Hmmm...need to consult Gatherer to see what options you actually have. I am not familiar with creature vs creature match-ups.

Edit:

From this list: 3 CMC and lower in RGB Creatures

You have some options, first strike and 3 power are what you should look for.

On February 21 2013 11:45 JingleHell wrote:


Thanks. Just got back from the shop, easier to muck around with cards without a 3 year old over my shoulder. Ended up not splashing for the time being, just going Gruul, I figure a stable manabase with slightly worse creature options probably beats the hell out of slightly better but still only half decent creatures.

I'll post the current list in a bit. On Friday, after we get paid, I'll look at some of the slightly better cheap options like Flinthoofs, and maybe a couple of the bulk quality rare types.

Obviously, against excellent decks, it's rape. I can take a top notch Jund midrange to about 6-7. Any real control deck shreds it, of course, but being able to compete with all the top tier decks is out of the price range for now, so being pragmatic, I figure I'm in an ok-ish place for the time being.