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Rainofpain
Profile Joined December 2010
United States125 Posts
August 13 2012 14:23 GMT
#3821
How do you play delver? I`m thinking of creating a list like this http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=48580 with 4 invisible stalkers and 1-2 more pikes since I dont have 2 snapcasters or seachrome coasts.
My shop is not hyper competitive, I smashed the last 2 weeks with W/b tokens so I am wondering if I can still win FNMs with a not quite full delver list.
It`s hard to read bad players because they`re bad - Idra
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
August 13 2012 15:07 GMT
#3822
That list is so janky, aka tuned to a specific meta. Post a list, but Snapcaster really isn't negotiable in Delver. The core Delver aspect isn't touched in that SCG list.
Get it by your hands...
Rainofpain
Profile Joined December 2010
United States125 Posts
August 13 2012 15:22 GMT
#3823
Well the problem is I don`t have the money for the GOSTs or Resto angels, and I have the most of the important core of delver (4 delvers, 4 probes, 4 ponders, 4 snags, 2 pikes, 3 leaks) and I am wondering if there is some way I can play a list with 2 snapcasters and still win FNM. Or should I stick to playing my W/b tokens and keep using the store credit to finish my playset of snpcasters then make a mono-bluish delver.
It`s hard to read bad players because they`re bad - Idra
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
August 13 2012 15:44 GMT
#3824
You can probably win one yes.
Get it by your hands...
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
August 13 2012 16:00 GMT
#3825
what's a sideboard?

3 Argentum Armor
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Quest for the Holy Relic

2 Frogmite
4 Glint Hawk
2 Kor Outfitter
4 Kor Skyfisher
4 Memnite
4 Ornithopter
4 Squadron Hawk
4 Whitemane Lion

21 Plains


running around with this deck on my friend's modo account and been crushing modern tourney rooms haha. cost like 4 tickets (+ a few cards he already had) and it's absolutely hilarious listening to the ensuing rage. no really, what's a sideboard?

step 1: put down quest
step 2: put down 5 0cmc creatures
step 3: attack with argentum armor, turn 2 land destruction
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
August 13 2012 16:06 GMT
#3826
Don't draw Quest. Proceed to lose.
Get it by your hands...
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
August 13 2012 16:09 GMT
#3827
A sideboard is 15 cards you can swap in or out after Game 1. You have to replace cards on a 1-to-1 basis, so if you add 5 cards from your sideboard to your deck you have to take 5 cards out.

The idea is your sideboard gives you access to cards to shore up specific matchups but you don't want those cards in your maindeck. For example, a combo deck may want a super-streamlined deck for most games, but when it faces a deck with a lot of disruption it takes out a few cards for some protection for its combo. However, it doesn't want a lot of these cards in its deck normally since it's Plan A is good enough to win on its own 80% of the time.

There's also transformative sideboards. This is when you sideboard lots of cards and swap them to completely change the game-plan of your deck. So Game 1 you do one thing, Game 2 the other guy sideboards to try and beat your Plan A and then you attack them from a completely different angle.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 16:11:41
August 13 2012 16:10 GMT
#3828
On August 14 2012 01:06 Judicator wrote:
Don't draw Quest. Proceed to lose.

Plan A: mulligan aggressively, keep no-land hands, use free cantrip to get stuff you want.
Plan B: WW shell and hope for the best.

it's no S-tier decklist but it cost <$4 and has beaten S-tier decklists (lol Tron). potentially a turn-2 combo with a WW shell? i claim success.

ideally you'd have fetch/shock lands + that one ench tutor (it's modern right?) + batterskull (or 2) but those cost a lot and we're poor/not-serious.


@Chiharu Harukaze: i just said that to point out the "i don't give a shit what you do" aspect of this decklist =D
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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
August 13 2012 16:24 GMT
#3829
On August 14 2012 01:10 redtooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 01:06 Judicator wrote:
Don't draw Quest. Proceed to lose.

Plan A: mulligan aggressively, keep no-land hands, use free cantrip to get stuff you want.
Plan B: WW shell and hope for the best.

it's no S-tier decklist but it cost <$4 and has beaten S-tier decklists (lol Tron). potentially a turn-2 combo with a WW shell? i claim success.

ideally you'd have fetch/shock lands + that one ench tutor (it's modern right?) + batterskull (or 2) but those cost a lot and we're poor/not-serious.


@Chiharu Harukaze: i just said that to point out the "i don't give a shit what you do" aspect of this decklist =D


What free cantrip? 3 Probes?
Get it by your hands...
Rainofpain
Profile Joined December 2010
United States125 Posts
August 13 2012 17:58 GMT
#3830
Judicator, it`s just a fun list that was thrown together cheap. Relax man and mabye try it out. I know you`re a spike like me, but you gotta admit super janky lists are a lot of fun to play.
It`s hard to read bad players because they`re bad - Idra
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
August 13 2012 18:30 GMT
#3831
That junky artifact deck looks super fun lol. Getting wins in a local shop (which don't really exist anymore around my place) should be a blast, and the opponents' faces priceless.
Revolutionist fan
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 18:42:40
August 13 2012 18:38 GMT
#3832
Not really my idea of fun when you're banking on 4 cards total to make it work?

I should clarify that relying on 4 cards for the deck to do anything versus not playing Magic at all somehow qualifies as fun...especially when tickets are being spent...question mark...
Get it by your hands...
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
August 13 2012 19:43 GMT
#3833
On August 14 2012 03:30 Salteador Neo wrote:
That junky artifact deck looks super fun lol. Getting wins in a local shop (which don't really exist anymore around my place) should be a blast, and the opponents' faces priceless.


I love that deck. I've been play testing the hell out of it and, frankly, it's well positioned. Somethings get your pretty good, like Revoke and...Surgical Extraction...but honestly, the dominant recursion and card advantage is sweet. Doesn't have a great matchup against Delver or Zombies, which is, sorta a problem.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 20:37:12
August 13 2012 20:26 GMT
#3834
Judicatory im assuming they aren't entering events just playing tournament practice room with a dirt cheap deck that has the chance to blow people out. I know you usually rebuke people's ideas on here when it comes to any variation from tournament lists almost religiously but rebuking someone's idea of fun is pretty silly.

If they are winning events then more power to them my most fond memories of tournaments were when I had a good idea and tried it out and was successful at fnm, not when I crushed regionals, or top 8 an event or what not with no variation lists. Those tournaments gave me a different feeling, which is awesome and the reason I grind Mtgo events often my desire for competition is fierce but it's still is a different feeling.
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 20:52:58
August 13 2012 20:52 GMT
#3835
Judicator, sounds like you're a Spike kind of player. Don't be hatin' on the Johnnies. ;-P

I like the idea. Very focused on what you want it to do and looks pretty effective at it. (*stealing for Cockatrice*) Granted, it's not flexible (Judicator's very correct here; you're messed over if you don't draw Quest), but I can see where you're clearing house with it, redtooth.
┬─┬___(ツ)_/¯ 彡┻━┻ I am the 4%. "I cant believe i saw ANAL backwards before i saw the word LAN." - Capped
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
August 13 2012 21:17 GMT
#3836
There's nothing wrong with the deck if it's goal is to have fun. But wouldn't you rather play another fun deck that isn't completely black and white? My problem with that deck is exactly that, you aren't doing diddly squat the times you do not get Quest. There's nothing wrong with fun decks. But the deck should at least do things if plan A doesn't work.

Right now that deck is playing a crappy draft deck if Quest doesn't show up, but cool that's "fun". I mean if you are going to have fun, you might as well not feel miserable the times when you don't draw the Quest.
Get it by your hands...
Durp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada3117 Posts
August 13 2012 21:25 GMT
#3837
On August 14 2012 01:10 redtooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 01:06 Judicator wrote:
Don't draw Quest. Proceed to lose.

Plan A: mulligan aggressively, keep no-land hands, use free cantrip to get stuff you want.
Plan B: WW shell and hope for the best.

it's no S-tier decklist but it cost <$4 and has beaten S-tier decklists (lol Tron). potentially a turn-2 combo with a WW shell? i claim success.

ideally you'd have fetch/shock lands + that one ench tutor (it's modern right?) + batterskull (or 2) but those cost a lot and we're poor/not-serious.


@Chiharu Harukaze: i just said that to point out the "i don't give a shit what you do" aspect of this decklist =D

Enlightened Tutor is not modern legal

Idyllic Tutor is, but it costs 3 mana = not worth it.
SOOOOOooooOOOOooooOOOOoo Many BANELINGS!!
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
August 13 2012 21:30 GMT
#3838
I think he meant SteelShaper's gift but I'm not sure.
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 21:33:04
August 13 2012 21:32 GMT
#3839
I also hate how players hide behind the "we're not serious/are poor" excuse when producing decks like this. That's not an excuse, you do not have to dump large amounts of money into the situation and you certainly can find alternatives to expensive cards/decks, yes...even in Delver.

Edit:

Steelshaper's Gift doesn't produce a 2nd turn combo.
Get it by your hands...
cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 21:38:08
August 13 2012 21:34 GMT
#3840
Meh. To each their own.... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

EDIT: Nevermind....

Idyllic Tutor sounds too slow, but we're trying to find ways to not have yourself messed over if you don't have Quest turn 1. Absolutely not ideal to have to go the Idyllic Tutor route, but better than nothing?...
┬─┬___(ツ)_/¯ 彡┻━┻ I am the 4%. "I cant believe i saw ANAL backwards before i saw the word LAN." - Capped
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