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On August 10 2012 09:11 Shotcoder wrote:
So it'll be a good deck for a month or two?

I was thinking of running something like this

Creatures
4x Diregraf Ghoul
4x Geralf's Messenger
4x Gravecrawler
4x Highborn Ghoul
4x Blood Artist
3x Bloodthrone Vampire
1x Disciple of Bolas
Land
23x Swamp
Planeswalkers
2x Liliana of the Veil
Spells
4x Tragic Slip
3x Killing Wave

I havent worked on the side and it's still missing 4 cards in the main. I feel like I should also cut a killing wave.

On August 10 2012 13:02 Judicator wrote:


Don't think that's gonna get it done...if the format slows down then control decks will be viable again. Remember one of the things holding control decks down is the mana base, Mana Leak itself is replaceable by a balance of the other counterspells and Caverns can run into issues against kill decks. I am almost betting that Unburial Rites is on the cusp of domination once the boogey man Vapor Snag rotates and then what good is zombies?

On August 10 2012 16:44 bumatlarge wrote:
BR zombies post rotation still has insane reach.

4 Blood Artist
4 Diregraf Ghoul
3 Falkenrath Aristocrat
4 Geralf's Messenger
2 Highborn Ghoul
4 Gravecrawler
2 Sign in blood
4 Brimstone Volley
4 Tragic Slip
2 Bonfire of the Damned
4 Bloodcrypt(?)
3 Cavern of Souls
4 Dragonskull Summit
12 Swamp

Assuming rakdos in RtR means we have blood crypt immediately. Plus, BG zombies might be playable, if Jarad and friends are cool. I'd love to mulch some gravecrawlers, Jarad's and *insert non-dredge mechanic*. Surgicals and spellbomb being gone means people are gonna have to resort to the less good cards like tormod's and grafdigger's. Surgical has hosed me alot this past year.

On August 10 2012 15:10 Wegandi wrote:


What's holding down control decks is the lack of removal and decent counter-spell cards (Mana Leak is good in the first few turns, but it's not that good) as well as...some of the mechanics like undying. The closest you will get to control now-a-days is monoblack or UB, which is sort of sad for this UW control player. I miss my Path to Exiles, Wall of Omens, Wall of Denial, Celestial Colonnades, Sea Gate Oracles, JTMS's, Elspeth (not the crappy one), Baneslayer Angel, Condemn, Journey to Nowhere, Negate!, etc. etc.

I miss my Wall of Denial so much. Such a great card :p Yeah, you could argue UW control standard 2010 is way way overpowered, and I would agree...Baneslayer, JTMS's, Path to Exiles, Negates, Elspeth, Colonnades, Wall of Omens/Denial, etc. etc.

On August 10 2012 13:02 Judicator wrote:


Don't think that's gonna get it done...if the format slows down then control decks will be viable again. Remember one of the things holding control decks down is the mana base, Mana Leak itself is replaceable by a balance of the other counterspells and Caverns can run into issues against kill decks. I am almost betting that Unburial Rites is on the cusp of domination once the boogey man Vapor Snag rotates and then what good is zombies?

On August 10 2012 22:31 Judicator wrote:
Unsummon is irrelevant. Vapor Snag actually took a full turn off the clock. Think number of attacks with Geist versus number of attacks with Geist + Snag. Unsummon isn't going to get them killed from 7. That one life (more like 2 life) is very relevant with the way that the numbers work out most of the time for Delver builds. A card that pings someone for 1 and trades 1 mana for usually 3 mana while opening the door for more attacks seems kind of good.

The only relevant loss to reanimators is Elesh Norn, Titans are whatever...but we have Griselbrand which arguably is harder to deal with than any other creature especially when Purge is gone. On top of the fact that Image and Metamorph is gone, Giselda from AVR along with Avacyn herself are problematic for most decks. Additionally, Rise from the Grave was reprinted which is not irrelevant. Surgical Extraction is gone and so is Nihil Spellbomb. Sure there is Tormod's Crypt, but RWB are the colors and you have numerous outs to that card. Cage/Seal are there too but....you are RWB...If the mana base is really sweet, you might even support a 4th splash.

The only Praetor worth talking about is Jin, but he was too slow in this format to begin with.

On August 10 2012 23:15 deth2munkies wrote:


There was nothing more satisfying than flashing Jin in on the end step...against an SCG finalist no less.

(It got Snapcaster Mana Leaked, but that let me resolve a Sun Titan/image chain that won me the game).

Honestly, Delver is losing Ponder, Gut Shot, and Gitaxian Probe, it's not surviving in its current state. My money is on U/R or UWR delver being the thing after the transition, which will replace the miniscule amount of reach lost by snag.

On August 10 2012 23:14 Teence wrote:
Having somehow just stumbled across some Youtube videos of old Pro Tours (Finkel/Budde era), I've decided that I might want to get back into Magic after not having played semi-seriously since Odyssey was released about 10 years ago. Back then, I was pretty comfortable with RB Machinehead (Blazing Specter/Urza's Rage/Skizzik/Phyrexian Scuta) and I'd be interested in knowing if there was any place for something similar in the current Legacy metagame? I'm finding it a little overwhelming to try and get back into Standard after having been out of the loop for so long, even though the majority of rules are still quite familiar to me.

Also, what's the general consensus seem to be in playing MTG:O vs. paper Magic? I'm going to be moving out of province at the end of the month and the town I'll be living in seems to have a couple dedicated card shops, so hopefully the scene is fairly active. I'll always hold a preference for playing paper Magic, unless the convenience of MTG:O is too great to pass up.

On August 10 2012 12:09 OoFuzer wrote:
has anyone played magic 2013: DoP?

On August 10 2012 23:37 Judicator wrote:


Legacy is pretty open right now. Many decks possible. I don't play Legacy much but from what I can tell...Dredge, RUG Delver, Maverick, Reanimator targeting Greiselbrand, UW Stoneblade, Elves, WB Stoneblade, all the Storm variants, Show and Tell, Belcher, Zoo, Merfolk, Goblins, Burn.

The legacy scene mostly rides on the SCG circuit although there were 2 Legacy Grand Prixs this past season.

I would say it's more active now than what it was before but whether you'll find it in your local scene is still a crapshoot.

Edit:

Damn it, double posted again.

On August 11 2012 03:59 Teence wrote:


Thanks for the heads up! I've been looking more and more into starting up on MTG:O and I'm interested in some opinions of how it compares to paper Magic. Is the convenience of being able to play on a whim worth the price tag? Do some of you manage to tackle both fairly reasonably without breaking the bank? I'll always have a preference for actually owning cards and playing IRL, but of course I won't know how active my new scene will be after I move, so maybe MTG:O is a good bet.

In regards to Type 2, which I guess is now called Standard , how does the metagame look? Last time I played Standard was the heyday of UW Millstone control and BG Deeds, so it was generally a very slow metagame. What would be a rough estimate of investment to get back into the Standard scene?

I'm actually giddy at the thought of getting back into MTG, so I appreciate any advice :D