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hkf
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia354 Posts
July 13 2012 02:37 GMT
#3741
On July 13 2012 11:35 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 11:00 hkf wrote:
On July 13 2012 09:27 Judicator wrote:
On July 13 2012 08:45 hkf wrote:
On July 13 2012 08:28 Judicator wrote:
On July 13 2012 07:37 hkf wrote:
Feels like red has all the tools sans GG(goblin guide) to make a comeback...


Depends on Rav, Red can't be a deck as long as Timely/Batterskull/Wurmcoil/Pristine Talisman remains.

And everyone's favorite 20 lifepoint swing card, Sword of War and Peace.

4/5 of those are scars ^_^


Likewise, so is Shrine and Volt Charge and Berserker.

flunkies > berserker
nothing > volt charge + shrine (proliferate was only good with koth n shrine anyways )

they need to reprint a really good 2/1 1drop for RDW to have a decent shot at tier 1 though. I miss the rage that I got for just jamming t1 guide vs people on modo

also a good haste 3drop to play nice w flunkies


Dunno, Berserker on the curve with BT > Flunkies. Shrine is good just because so few cards interact with it. Volt Charge was about as good as it got, effectively 3+ most of the time.

But yes, it needs a good one drop.


Zerker x2 is terrible, flunkies x2 is insane
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-13 05:41:01
July 13 2012 02:50 GMT
#3742
True, but I rather take the difficulty in blocking over potentially having 6 power in 2 creatures in today's environment.

Theres a junk deck for standard floating around in my head. So nice not to have an oppressive deck in t2 right now.
Get it by your hands...
last.resistance
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada543 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-14 18:13:11
July 14 2012 15:39 GMT
#3743
Return to Ravnica spoilers

+ Show Spoiler +
Return to Ravnica block is Large Set - Large Set - Small Set.

Second set in the block is called Gatecrash.

Drafting is Triple RTR at first, then Triple Gatecrash, followed by Third Set - Gatecrash - RTR.

Azorius, Selesnya, Golgari, Rakdos, and Izzet are in Return to Ravnica

Boros, Orzhov, Dimir, Simic and Gruul are in Gatecrash

Third set has all ten guilds.

Sounds like 2 Planeswalkers in RTR (including Jace), 2 Planeswalkers in Gatecrash (including Gideon). My guess is that there will be one in the Third Set.


This video has a run down of the new products for the rest of the year plus additional information on RTR block including Guild Leaders, Prerelease info (each guild has their own prerelease card).

http://www.twitch.tv/magicprotour/b/324829190

Gideon's chosen his guild.
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ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-15 23:32:41
July 15 2012 23:26 GMT
#3744
Adding, you pick a guild at prerelease and get a guild box. The box has a playable prerelease foil, and one of your packs will have cards exclusively in that guild's colors. Neat.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-15 23:44:38
July 15 2012 23:44 GMT
#3745
Well this is step 1 in making Rav 2.0 as good as Rav 1.0.

For those of you who weren't playing then, RGD (Rav-GP-Diss) is largely regarded by everyone as the BEST block Wizards has ever done in ANY (non-Eternal) format. So it has giant shoes to fill, and by giant I mean RGD saved MtG considering the 2 blocks before it.

Edit:

And the land art....sooooo goooooddddd drooooolll.
Get it by your hands...
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
July 15 2012 23:47 GMT
#3746
Shouldn't Gideon be more of an Azorious than a Boros? Isn't he basically an "order/law-mage?"
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
July 15 2012 23:48 GMT
#3747
Any1 here actually read the lore of M:tG?

2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-15 23:52:56
July 15 2012 23:52 GMT
#3748
On July 16 2012 08:47 slyboogie wrote:
Shouldn't Gideon be more of an Azorious than a Boros? Isn't he basically an "order/law-mage?"


No, because Boros were the enforcers, the police of Rav. Azorious were the law makers or politicians. Gideon has never been the latter but the former.

Edit:

Xiphos, I do to the point of not reading the books because they're not so good....
Get it by your hands...
hkf
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia354 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 02:12:55
July 16 2012 02:12 GMT
#3749
Thats my first impression of "why Gideon is boros", having lawkeepers and such on his side... Feels like an azorious man.

Plus he taps and punishes tapping, meh. I dunno. Doesn't feel red enough for me.

I mean obv he's not seleynia or orzhov (doesn't really care about trees or stuff dying) but... boros? theres nothing impulsive about gideon

but what do I know I'm just a spike >
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
July 16 2012 02:27 GMT
#3750
Yah, not to get too into the color identity conversation, cause it can get pretty pedantic and terrible....but I just always thought of RW like "Hoorah"-army types or the righteous fury angry Ajani type. Not that Gideon couldn't be that, I just thought he was more of a measured dude.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
July 16 2012 04:17 GMT
#3751
He's Boros because he follows or had followed instructions and guidance from others hence his conversation with Chandra when he was chasing and catching up with her. His laws/values are only told by others not established by himself until his little life-changing talk with Chandra. The better question is whether Gideon would be someone who would sit and scheme?
Get it by your hands...
hkf
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia354 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 05:38:08
July 16 2012 05:37 GMT
#3752
Gideon x Chandra slash plz

and good point about azorious being all high and mighty about their ways
Gotmog
Profile Joined October 2010
Serbia899 Posts
July 16 2012 06:16 GMT
#3753
Hi,
I have a question for all you experienced MTG players.

How should a person (who used to play, even small tournaments, during betrayers of kamigawa) get the necessary information to get back into the game ?
"When you play the game of drones, you win or you die. There is no middle ground"
RoosterSamurai
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan2108 Posts
July 16 2012 19:13 GMT
#3754
MTGO is currently offering an open sneak-peak at the new client. You can download it here:
http://www.wizards.com/magic/digital/magiconline.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/sneakpeek

Log in with your normal MTGO username.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
July 17 2012 18:00 GMT
#3755
On July 16 2012 08:52 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 08:47 slyboogie wrote:
Shouldn't Gideon be more of an Azorious than a Boros? Isn't he basically an "order/law-mage?"


No, because Boros were the enforcers, the police of Rav. Azorious were the law makers or politicians. Gideon has never been the latter but the former.

Edit:

Xiphos, I do to the point of not reading the books because they're not so good....


The Ravnica's series were pretty awesome though...

I love how the write made it seems that Rocs Policeman were a majestic sight in their community but it was also a mundane one. Like how it integrated modern elements with a touch of fantasy.

Are the other books really that bad?

I mean I know that Planewalkers probably ruined many lore because to be frank, I don't care about any of them!

with the exception of her:
+ Show Spoiler +
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rools*
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
Durp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada3117 Posts
July 17 2012 19:34 GMT
#3756
I'm making a Battle of Wits deck.

Still building the card pool, any thoughts?
SOOOOOooooOOOOooooOOOOoo Many BANELINGS!!
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
July 18 2012 00:39 GMT
#3757
On July 18 2012 04:34 Durp wrote:
I'm making a Battle of Wits deck.

Still building the card pool, any thoughts?


Index, imo.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
July 18 2012 02:41 GMT
#3758
On July 18 2012 04:34 Durp wrote:
I'm making a Battle of Wits deck.

Still building the card pool, any thoughts?


Basically 4 of everything you want to tutor with and the rest are mana ramp. I built one for MWS just for fun and its hilariously fun just to do nothing and then delay the fuck out of the opposing deck for 50 cards.

Anyways, just finished up a local standard went 3-1 dropping a close match to Mono Green, beat Japanese Delver, Mono Red, WB Humans, played UW tap out with black splash for Alchemy flashback. Think the worst match ups are Delver and Mono-Green at something like 4/6 to like 5/5 in the best case scenario post board. Every other creature deck is free and nobody plays UB level control, so its whatever.
Get it by your hands...
MiyaviTeddy
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada697 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 05:07:20
July 18 2012 05:05 GMT
#3759


I'm really looking forward to Return to Ravnica.

EDIT: I missed that twitch link.
Aiyeeeee
huameng
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1133 Posts
July 23 2012 00:29 GMT
#3760
So is the new client playable? I'm trying it out and it seems to be worse than the old client, believe it or not. All the proportions in the game window are messed up, I don't know how to look at the ongoing matches in an event, chat window really gets in the way, etc etc.
skating
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