EPTOn September 14 2012 08:45 Silentness wrote:
I'm surprised my server is top 5. (Blackgate is #5)
I'm surprised my server is top 5. (Blackgate is #5)
is there a guild going? thats where Im playing as well
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
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ikh
United Kingdom251 Posts
On September 14 2012 08:53 Infernal_dream wrote: You should probably try a different argument other than "umad." It's old and played out. And to further my point, it's also been stated many many many times that mesmers are EXTREMELY useful in groups as well. Aka a staple class. I understand it's not balanced around 1v1. But there shouldn't be a class that's completely superior to everything in the game 1v1. You sound like you don't want to be hit by the nerf bat that's surely incoming. Go play another class and see how ez mesmer really is. are you honestly saying you're a good player in great control of your class of choice and at the same time arguing that any poor mesmer beats your ass and there's nothing in your arsenal you can do about it? i'm not going to argue that point or anything else, i've no interest to, but that's ludicrous. i seem to have 64 spvp games played with my mesmer along with 38 and 31 games with my guardian and thief (e: 76 wins out of 133). i find myself making the greatest impact on 8v8's with my guardian, and on my mesmer, my favorite build(s) is anything but reliant on phantasms. which classes are you comfortable playing, again? doesn't sound like necromancer is one of them, too bad  | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
Also Sad day to see Northern Shiverpeaks at near bottom. We have far too cool a name to be that low. At least we have that Angry joe fanbase to help boost us in wvw abit. Not that I've seen too much of it. | ||
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EscPlan9
United States2777 Posts
On September 14 2012 09:00 Darpa wrote: is there a guild going? thats where Im playing as well I'm in a relatively small guild on BlackGate (~40 members, usually about 10-15 on at peak times) called Sins. If you're interested, PM me your AccountName.#### and I'll bring it up to my officers. We mostly focus on WvW and communicate using TeamSpeak. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On September 14 2012 09:39 Parnage wrote: I think I am the only guy who doesn't have issues with mesmers. Honestly I just kinda poke them down, they can stealth, clone, be confusing all they want but condition damage doesn't give a damn. Condition damage will do it's job and all I have to do is keep poking at them. I dunno, maybe I am just fighting terrible mesmers as an Engy. I mean they are annoying, but no more then any other class. Also Sad day to see Northern Shiverpeaks at near bottom. We have far too cool a name to be that low. At least we have that Angry joe fanbase to help boost us in wvw abit. Not that I've seen too much of it. Engi are pretty good against them. You're tanky so wont die in seconds to the Phantasm, and condition kinda shred mesmer anyway. But engi are pretty much the best duelist in the game right now. | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On September 14 2012 08:53 Infernal_dream wrote: You should probably try a different argument other than "umad." It's old and played out. And to further my point, it's also been stated many many many times that mesmers are EXTREMELY useful in groups as well. Aka a staple class. I understand it's not balanced around 1v1. But there shouldn't be a class that's completely superior to everything in the game 1v1. You sound like you don't want to be hit by the nerf bat that's surely incoming. Go play another class and see how ez mesmer really is. Dude your posts are becoming very aggressive, we get it you are extremely frustrated and can't deal with it on a rational level but it doesn't make you right. Maybe the potential of mesmers makes them a slightly superior class, but it certainly doesn't make easy to play. A mesmer not using all of his skills during a fight is a dead mesmer, and you have to understand that. Since you want us to try other class (never occured to you that we did ?) maybe you should do the same and roll a mesmer. After all nothing prevents you from being "ez" ... | ||
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
On September 14 2012 09:39 Parnage wrote: I think I am the only guy who doesn't have issues with mesmers. Honestly I just kinda poke them down, they can stealth, clone, be confusing all they want but condition damage doesn't give a damn. Condition damage will do it's job and all I have to do is keep poking at them. I dunno, maybe I am just fighting terrible mesmers as an Engy. I mean they are annoying, but no more then any other class. Also Sad day to see Northern Shiverpeaks at near bottom. We have far too cool a name to be that low. At least we have that Angry joe fanbase to help boost us in wvw abit. Not that I've seen too much of it. What's so great about condition damage is that it completely ignores how much toughness+armor you have. It doesn't give a damn. If you're getting more condition damage than you can cleanse, then you're eventually going to die. I think condition builds like 1-handed swords for warriors will be the way to go once PvPers stop doing bad glass cannon builds. Some condition builds already do good direct damage, making them versatile in terms of damage output. | ||
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Xahhk
Canada540 Posts
On September 14 2012 12:08 LoLAdriankat wrote: What's so great about condition damage is that it completely ignores how much toughness+armor you have. It doesn't give a damn. If you're getting more condition damage than you can cleanse, then you're eventually going to die. I think condition builds like 1-handed swords for warriors will be the way to go once PvPers stop doing bad glass cannon builds. Some condition builds already do good direct damage, making them versatile in terms of damage output. You can stack just as many group condition removal to counter it though, there might be some interesting meta as teams start preparing builds to overcome this. | ||
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Khul Sadukar
Australia1735 Posts
On September 14 2012 06:41 EscPlan9 wrote: See my earlier post on condition-centric Necro play. Minions are complete garbage in this game, I agree. About the auto-attacks, the staff one will replenish your Life Force quickly and also hits many enemies in a line. The Scepter will stack bleeds/vulnerabilities (forget if its both or just one). Though generally with Staff, I am only switching to it in a few cases - to drop a few marks at crucial times (heal allies with 2, freeze enemies with 3, fear enemies with 5), or to combat from extremely far range (1200). Then I switch back to Scepter-Focus. Any Necros here have a lot of experience in the PvE explorable dungeons? I'm still trying to find a good build for those. I try to go as heavy into support as possible, so I drop a lot of my potential dps this way at the expense of being better able to heal and remove conditions from allies, as well as CC/slow enemies and convert their boons into conditions. I have traits in things like my Death Shroud Life Transfer also heals my allies, and whenever someone is rezzed, a well of healing is automatically placed on the ground afterwards. I'm interested in hearing what build you use and what you find yourself doing in PvE explorable dungeons as a necro. I just run a full power/precision build (im still working on all my exotics) for max direct dmg and the AOE from Well of Suffering and Well of Corruption using a staff. Lay down all the marks, those 2 wells and ur doing tons of direct dmg + condition damage, then switch to DS and Life transfer (which does ur highest DD besides Lich Form). Find it rapes content in dungeons that like to spawn tons and tons of ads on you and has pretty good single target as well just with auto's from Staff/DS/Lich. Also in the lvl 80 zone theres frigen Risen npcs everywhere that can either remove conditions, or transfer them. When i was using still mostly condition dmg gear it was brutal! Not sure how effective it is in PvP. I just prefer the DD as it seems theres waay too many abilities in the game to just negate conditions altogether. On September 14 2012 01:54 GGTeMpLaR wrote: WvWvW server rankings have been released by arenanet https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Current-world-rankings We didn't want that top 3 seeding anyway... | ||
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chaokel
Australia535 Posts
Though there is a huge disparity between the top 4 servers and those hovering just below which isn't quite shown in that ranking. Everytime we get matched with ET it's pretty much a complete stomping. | ||
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Br33zyy
United States296 Posts
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
like, ele tornado | ||
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Norada
China482 Posts
On September 14 2012 08:54 Skyro wrote: What does ping and server issues have to do with my knowledge of GW1? I was in a top 10 GvG guild (kF/EnS) and played in the first NA regionals, I think I know a thing or two about GW1. And look, for people who don't have servers on their continent and have to play in high ping situations, that sucks and I feel for you, but for the vast majority of the playerbase it seems like such a cop-out reason. NA players had NA servers and EU players had EU servers and people were not on the boards/IRC crying left and right about how ping made it impossible for them to play an interrupt class (mesmer or ranger). They were more or less loved by the community. You deal with cross server lag issues by not playing cross server. And besides, what lag issues do interrupts present that aren't present in the dodge mechanic? Back when you played people didnt rely on interrupts as much as they did later in the game, and the servers got worse as time went on. Better to just skip that whole issue and not have shutdown based so much on ping. After the first regional shit they made all the tournaments cross-server based so you had a tournament where you had to play people from every region and it's where the big problems started with this stuff imo. | ||
Flicky
England2666 Posts
On September 14 2012 05:52 chaokel wrote: This is so wrong. Epidemic is a must in sPvP with a condition necro. I think what he means with Epidemic is when you're point defending, you don't want Epidemic, there are better choices. Someone said that Team Paradigm and someone else said Thieves were too good. Do you have a source? I'm certain toughness does reduce condition damage. When playing high toughness builds bleed ticks usually deal 75 damage not 100+ unless I'm missing something. As far as interrupts go, as my Engineer I have probably one skill in my common rotation that is a reliable, albeit close range, interrupt (Air Blast on Flame Thrower or Overcharged Shot on Rifle). Everything else is either not used or so delayed you have to use godlike reads or sheer luck to nail it. Static Shield -> Throw Shield is an interrupt but for some reason it takes forever before the Throw Shield comes out. I don't know why as you have to sacrifice Static Shield first. It seems like ANet don't want you to interrupt heals easily. I want Earth Shock/Spell Lock back. Engineers aren't the best duellists in the game. You'll struggle to beat a condition Necro 1v1 as an Engineer. Remember, duelling =/= point defending. As far as Mesmers go, they have one of the best Elites for PvP and have the problem of being able to deal large damage from relative safety. The range on Phantasms and Illusions is pretty massive. This is why saying Engineers are good against them confuses me. If you don't have a point to draw the Mesmer in, I don't know what you think you're hitting them with that will kill them. The only build I feel completely beats Mesmer is the condition thief with Thieves Guild and Ambush. The reason this beats Mesmer is because it mimics Mesmer style (NPC help and invisibility). I'm not calling for the nerf bat or anything, I don't feel helpless against them (as an Engineer) but I do dislike their illusions exploding on kill. It seems like it only exists to make their weakness not a weakness anymore. I don't really want to say too much more about them (don't over-react) but perhaps their natural surviviability is kind high. Considering they can do all sorts of escaping and tricky shenanigans, the fact that they aren't really squishy when you do catch them is rather surprising. The thing is, I still feel like I can beat mesmers who I'm better than, which in early release is a good thing to me. (I also hate Chaos Storm but just the nature of the skill, I don't think it's OP). Finally, another mini Engi build: Aldok's Ridiculous Bomb/Grenade Build (Never still for a moment) So as I said the other day, we got stomped by a team in sPvP (Origine Online, I found the name), I looked at their Engineer and tried to mimic the build as best as possible. I think I got it about 70% right but I'll try and will confirm in the future. The playstyle of this build is incredible fun AND it's a great choice for 8v8 messing around. In 5v5 you can hold points while offering amazing team-fight support and map presence. Typical play involves taking a point, running to another, dealing just enough damage to tip things in your favour, leaving, going somewhere else, taking back point etcetc. You just go everywhere (Search Aldok on own3d.tv for videos). Where Teldo's build is entirely defensive, this one is very aggressive and deals a lot more damage in short time (still conditions though). It offers better general teamfight presence too. Pistol (I went with Purity because I don't know what he used, it wasn't Earth though) Shield (Superior Accuracy - Again, I couldn't discern his sigil). Runes of Earth (Confident this is what he uses but can't be certain) Rabid Amulet + Gem Med-Kit Elixir R Grenade Kit Bomb Kit Supply Crate III-V-XI III-IV - I-IV - I will try and confirm these with Aldok if I can get a hold of him. All I had to go back was 15 frames of his Character screen and what he was getting in combat. The XI in Explosives & IV in Firearms I'm not certain on but they make sense. Either way, here is how to play in 30 seconds: 8v8 - Always have swiftness, run everywhere, dodge everything, completely abuse your med-kit and drop every condition you can with grenades and bombs. Just run into everybody, you'll be fine. (Cleverly, they don't really overlap, grenade gives bleed, blind, chilled & poison while bomb gives burning, confusion, blind & immobilise). 5v5 - Defend a point for a while then speed off to a team fight and completely turn it around. Just get completely up in their face and grenade/bomb them. Grenades are pretty good so you can actually stand outside of fights and throw them constantly if you want. | ||
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UdderChaos
United Kingdom707 Posts
http://gw2.luna-atra.fr/skills_tool/?lang=en&code=3ek6g0dqe4ngnfhf90u0ua09s9u9vamarb1kd It's pretty impossible to kill becuase of the amount of healing and the ability to remove conditions at will also it's very good for aiding teamamtes. | ||
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Norada
China482 Posts
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On September 14 2012 14:21 daemir wrote: Why does mesmer moa cancel out other ultis while nothing cleanses it qqqq like, ele tornadoNothing cleanse the ranger block too and that's way more powerful ... Moa is just annoying. | ||
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Flicky
England2666 Posts
On September 14 2012 18:49 UdderChaos wrote: I'd imagine the build was soemthing like this: http://gw2.luna-atra.fr/skills_tool/?lang=en&code=3ek6g0dqe4ngnfhf90u0ua09s9u9vamarb1kd It's pretty impossible to kill becuase of the amount of healing and the ability to remove conditions at will also it's very good for aiding teamamtes. Who are you responding to because I wanna know more. Healing Engineer is something I really wanna try out soon. I've never seen the bombs heal allies trait but that seems incredible. Elixir C is kinda bleh in practice so if you replaces that with Elixir Gun this build could be insane. You could probably trade turret for medkit if you wanted too. Man, I definitely want to give this a go. Thanks for that link! | ||
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oZii
United States1198 Posts
Its pretty easy to tell who the mesmer is its the guy Dodging! The mesmer doesn't carry dual pistols. The mesmer doesnt have a spinning Greatsword attack, A staff mesmer isnt using a sceptor all of a sudden, the mesmer doesn't carry 2 axes. Its not hard to pick out the mesmer from the phantasms. Most appear next to the opponent so you dodge when you see illusionary whatever next to you. I think the clones get in the way more than anything but I don't feel they are OP they just cause a distraction which is what they are suppose to do. Clones dont do alot of damage unless they are shattered its the phantasms that do the damage and they are pretty easy to pick out. I havent seen any game modes that are designed around 1v1 though so it's kind of a pointless arguement imo. Its like people whining over the Jedi Shadow Kinetic spec in swtor. A great 1v1 class that got nerfed so bad that it became useless in PvE. BTW mesmers aren't so hot in PvE compared to other classes so I doubt they will nerf them to hard if they ever do. | ||
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UdderChaos
United Kingdom707 Posts
On September 14 2012 20:33 Flicky wrote: Who are you responding to because I wanna know more. Healing Engineer is something I really wanna try out soon. I've never seen the bombs heal allies trait but that seems incredible. Elixir C is kinda bleh in practice so if you replaces that with Elixir Gun this build could be insane. You could probably trade turret for medkit if you wanted too. Man, I definitely want to give this a go. Thanks for that link! I was responding to you  Thats the build i run in spvp at the moment. I chose the healing turret becuase the medkit is bad in practice, the cooldwons are too long, each pack doesnt heal for enough, and you have to run into the med packs to revice healing, there is a global cooldown/animation time for placing each one ect. elixir C is rediculously good, not only does it effectively cure ALL condtions on you, and you want as much condition cure as possible in pvp at the moment, it also converts them too boons, buffing you incredably. Also the issue with the exlir gun running the bomb build is that your far too busy placing bombs or using your main skills to want to have another pack to manage, it doesn't really open options so much as become annoying. Plus the class skill(f1-4 buttons) on healing turret and exlir c are pretty good, another reason i chose them. Oh and toss exlir R is just outright imabalanced, like seriosuly imabalanced. P.S. as a general point for all classes, take stuff with quickness on it, its the most insane buff in the game. | ||
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