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Emokes
Profile Joined April 2010
United States37 Posts
September 02 2012 23:18 GMT
#5481
Hey guys could I get a guild invite on the E Bay server my char name is Lodizaal
You will eat your friends face off don't do bath salts.
Ramanujan
Profile Joined April 2012
137 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 23:21:37
September 02 2012 23:20 GMT
#5482
So bored with this game I've played like 60 hours now and never had any fun at all.

I don't feel impressed by anything, I don't feel like exploring is exciting. It's more of a grind than most other mmos, hell there are even like 5-6 different mobs that never change throughout the areas and all the quests are "kill this for some time, then go to the next place and kill the same enemy". "Boss" battles is just button mashing (as is every fight). There's no teamplay. Nothing happens in the world, everything is incredibly static (no, "events" don't count). The crafting system is extremely tedious. Your character doesn't look different for like 80 levels. The personal story is a joke and obviously nothing they put any effort in (which is fine, I guess; priorities are priorities). I'm so bored of this type of game that is only about ability spamming and has absolutely no consequences to anything you do ever. I guess I'm too old and experienced with games to feel immersed in these kind of games, since people seem to like this game?

Also, the pvp system is incredibly confusing and boring. I still don't understand what's the point of even having it in.
Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
September 02 2012 23:23 GMT
#5483
On September 03 2012 08:20 Ramanujan wrote:
So bored with this game I've played like 60 hours now and never had any fun at all.

I don't feel impressed by anything, I don't feel like exploring is exciting. It's more of a grind than most other mmos, hell there are even like 5-6 different mobs that never change throughout the areas and all the quests are "kill this for some time, then go to the next place and kill the same enemy". "Boss" battles is just button mashing (as is every fight). There's no teamplay. Nothing happens in the world, everything is incredibly static (no, "events" don't count). The crafting system is extremely tedious. Your character doesn't look different for like 80 levels. The personal story is a joke and obviously nothing they put any effort in (which is fine, I guess; priorities are priorities). I'm so bored of this type of game that is only about ability spamming and has absolutely no consequences to anything you do ever. I guess I'm too old and experienced with games to feel immersed in these kind of games, since people seem to like this game?

Also, the pvp system is incredibly confusing and boring. I still don't understand what's the point of even having it in.


Well you answered why you hate it in that last sentence. It's a pvp oriented game. If you dont understand the pvp system obviously you're not going to like the game. Not to mention it sounds like you didn't even try the dungeons which are being labelled as damn near impossible. So that debunks your "button mash" theory. I'm not going to convince you to like the game, but you honestly didn't try. 60 hours or not you didn't look much into anything.
Ramanujan
Profile Joined April 2012
137 Posts
September 02 2012 23:27 GMT
#5484
On September 03 2012 08:23 Infernal_dream wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 08:20 Ramanujan wrote:
So bored with this game I've played like 60 hours now and never had any fun at all.

I don't feel impressed by anything, I don't feel like exploring is exciting. It's more of a grind than most other mmos, hell there are even like 5-6 different mobs that never change throughout the areas and all the quests are "kill this for some time, then go to the next place and kill the same enemy". "Boss" battles is just button mashing (as is every fight). There's no teamplay. Nothing happens in the world, everything is incredibly static (no, "events" don't count). The crafting system is extremely tedious. Your character doesn't look different for like 80 levels. The personal story is a joke and obviously nothing they put any effort in (which is fine, I guess; priorities are priorities). I'm so bored of this type of game that is only about ability spamming and has absolutely no consequences to anything you do ever. I guess I'm too old and experienced with games to feel immersed in these kind of games, since people seem to like this game?

Also, the pvp system is incredibly confusing and boring. I still don't understand what's the point of even having it in.


Well you answered why you hate it in that last sentence. It's a pvp oriented game. If you dont understand the pvp system obviously you're not going to like the game. Not to mention it sounds like you didn't even try the dungeons which are being labelled as damn near impossible. So that debunks your "button mash" theory. I'm not going to convince you to like the game, but you honestly didn't try. 60 hours or not you didn't look much into anything.


Why is it pvp oriented? What's the point of winning in pvp? Absolutely none.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
September 02 2012 23:43 GMT
#5485
On September 03 2012 02:28 Meta wrote:
Fuuuck, I just bought it from best buy and didn't even see the "unavailable to download outside of the US" clause. Fuck, fuck, fuck. I think I just wasted $60

I already have the client downloaded, fuck, I just need the key to activate my GW1 account for GW2. God damn best buy and arenanet and my impatient nature.

Dude, I already wasted $60 by mistake.

I pre-purchased the game from Gamestop then lost my receipt before I picked up my boxed copy. I ended up buying the game a second time to enter the retail code before my pre-purchase code expired (or so I believed).

However, I heard that I might be able to still pick up the boxed copy with just my ID and phone number without the receipt, so maybe I'm a complete idiot here.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
Divine-Sneaker
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1225 Posts
September 02 2012 23:52 GMT
#5486
On September 03 2012 08:27 Ramanujan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 08:23 Infernal_dream wrote:
On September 03 2012 08:20 Ramanujan wrote:
So bored with this game I've played like 60 hours now and never had any fun at all.

I don't feel impressed by anything, I don't feel like exploring is exciting. It's more of a grind than most other mmos, hell there are even like 5-6 different mobs that never change throughout the areas and all the quests are "kill this for some time, then go to the next place and kill the same enemy". "Boss" battles is just button mashing (as is every fight). There's no teamplay. Nothing happens in the world, everything is incredibly static (no, "events" don't count). The crafting system is extremely tedious. Your character doesn't look different for like 80 levels. The personal story is a joke and obviously nothing they put any effort in (which is fine, I guess; priorities are priorities). I'm so bored of this type of game that is only about ability spamming and has absolutely no consequences to anything you do ever. I guess I'm too old and experienced with games to feel immersed in these kind of games, since people seem to like this game?

Also, the pvp system is incredibly confusing and boring. I still don't understand what's the point of even having it in.


Well you answered why you hate it in that last sentence. It's a pvp oriented game. If you dont understand the pvp system obviously you're not going to like the game. Not to mention it sounds like you didn't even try the dungeons which are being labelled as damn near impossible. So that debunks your "button mash" theory. I'm not going to convince you to like the game, but you honestly didn't try. 60 hours or not you didn't look much into anything.


Why is it pvp oriented? What's the point of winning in pvp? Absolutely none.


That's about the stupidest question you could ask in that regard.
What's the point in winning a tournament? What's the point in beating competition?
Fun and hopefully prestige and prizes.
FlyingToilet
Profile Joined August 2011
United States840 Posts
September 02 2012 23:53 GMT
#5487
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 03 2012 08:43 eviltomahawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 02:28 Meta wrote:
Fuuuck, I just bought it from best buy and didn't even see the "unavailable to download outside of the US" clause. Fuck, fuck, fuck. I think I just wasted $60

I already have the client downloaded, fuck, I just need the key to activate my GW1 account for GW2. God damn best buy and arenanet and my impatient nature.

Dude, I already wasted $60 by mistake.

I pre-purchased the game from Gamestop then lost my receipt before I picked up my boxed copy. I ended up buying the game a second time to enter the retail code before my pre-purchase code expired (or so I believed).

However, I heard that I might be able to still pick up the boxed copy with just my ID and phone number without the receipt, so maybe I'm a complete idiot here.


Ya lol you have 2 copies of guild wars 2, i remember going to gamestop thinking i wasn't gonna get my copy of mw2 at midnight release but i just told em my name and they just gave me it...
http://justin.tv/flyingtoilet
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
September 02 2012 23:56 GMT
#5488
On September 03 2012 08:53 FlyingToilet wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 03 2012 08:43 eviltomahawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 02:28 Meta wrote:
Fuuuck, I just bought it from best buy and didn't even see the "unavailable to download outside of the US" clause. Fuck, fuck, fuck. I think I just wasted $60

I already have the client downloaded, fuck, I just need the key to activate my GW1 account for GW2. God damn best buy and arenanet and my impatient nature.

Dude, I already wasted $60 by mistake.

I pre-purchased the game from Gamestop then lost my receipt before I picked up my boxed copy. I ended up buying the game a second time to enter the retail code before my pre-purchase code expired (or so I believed).

However, I heard that I might be able to still pick up the boxed copy with just my ID and phone number without the receipt, so maybe I'm a complete idiot here.


Ya lol you have 2 copies of guild wars 2, i remember going to gamestop thinking i wasn't gonna get my copy of mw2 at midnight release but i just told em my name and they just gave me it...

Man do I look like an idiot right now :D

I'll probably give the second copy to my brother.
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Ramanujan
Profile Joined April 2012
137 Posts
September 02 2012 23:59 GMT
#5489
On September 03 2012 08:52 Divine-Sneaker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 08:27 Ramanujan wrote:
On September 03 2012 08:23 Infernal_dream wrote:
On September 03 2012 08:20 Ramanujan wrote:
So bored with this game I've played like 60 hours now and never had any fun at all.

I don't feel impressed by anything, I don't feel like exploring is exciting. It's more of a grind than most other mmos, hell there are even like 5-6 different mobs that never change throughout the areas and all the quests are "kill this for some time, then go to the next place and kill the same enemy". "Boss" battles is just button mashing (as is every fight). There's no teamplay. Nothing happens in the world, everything is incredibly static (no, "events" don't count). The crafting system is extremely tedious. Your character doesn't look different for like 80 levels. The personal story is a joke and obviously nothing they put any effort in (which is fine, I guess; priorities are priorities). I'm so bored of this type of game that is only about ability spamming and has absolutely no consequences to anything you do ever. I guess I'm too old and experienced with games to feel immersed in these kind of games, since people seem to like this game?

Also, the pvp system is incredibly confusing and boring. I still don't understand what's the point of even having it in.


Well you answered why you hate it in that last sentence. It's a pvp oriented game. If you dont understand the pvp system obviously you're not going to like the game. Not to mention it sounds like you didn't even try the dungeons which are being labelled as damn near impossible. So that debunks your "button mash" theory. I'm not going to convince you to like the game, but you honestly didn't try. 60 hours or not you didn't look much into anything.


Why is it pvp oriented? What's the point of winning in pvp? Absolutely none.


That's about the stupidest question you could ask in that regard.
What's the point in winning a tournament? What's the point in beating competition?
Fun and hopefully prestige and prizes.


This is not a competitive game, it's a fucking mmo.


User was warned for this post
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
September 03 2012 00:17 GMT
#5490
On September 03 2012 08:59 Ramanujan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 08:52 Divine-Sneaker wrote:
On September 03 2012 08:27 Ramanujan wrote:
On September 03 2012 08:23 Infernal_dream wrote:
On September 03 2012 08:20 Ramanujan wrote:
So bored with this game I've played like 60 hours now and never had any fun at all.

I don't feel impressed by anything, I don't feel like exploring is exciting. It's more of a grind than most other mmos, hell there are even like 5-6 different mobs that never change throughout the areas and all the quests are "kill this for some time, then go to the next place and kill the same enemy". "Boss" battles is just button mashing (as is every fight). There's no teamplay. Nothing happens in the world, everything is incredibly static (no, "events" don't count). The crafting system is extremely tedious. Your character doesn't look different for like 80 levels. The personal story is a joke and obviously nothing they put any effort in (which is fine, I guess; priorities are priorities). I'm so bored of this type of game that is only about ability spamming and has absolutely no consequences to anything you do ever. I guess I'm too old and experienced with games to feel immersed in these kind of games, since people seem to like this game?

Also, the pvp system is incredibly confusing and boring. I still don't understand what's the point of even having it in.


Well you answered why you hate it in that last sentence. It's a pvp oriented game. If you dont understand the pvp system obviously you're not going to like the game. Not to mention it sounds like you didn't even try the dungeons which are being labelled as damn near impossible. So that debunks your "button mash" theory. I'm not going to convince you to like the game, but you honestly didn't try. 60 hours or not you didn't look much into anything.


Why is it pvp oriented? What's the point of winning in pvp? Absolutely none.


That's about the stupidest question you could ask in that regard.
What's the point in winning a tournament? What's the point in beating competition?
Fun and hopefully prestige and prizes.


This is not a competitive game, it's a fucking mmo.

It's saddening that you don't appreciate the game, still I am not sure you are playing it like it's meant to be. Exploring alone is wonderful : listening to conversations, understanding the history of the different people, why they fight etc ... While I too don't appreciate the overlap of events and activities, most activities don't require you to kill anything and all of them are really inside a wider story. That alone should be worth your 60$ !
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
September 03 2012 00:24 GMT
#5491
On September 03 2012 08:59 Ramanujan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 08:52 Divine-Sneaker wrote:
On September 03 2012 08:27 Ramanujan wrote:
On September 03 2012 08:23 Infernal_dream wrote:
On September 03 2012 08:20 Ramanujan wrote:
So bored with this game I've played like 60 hours now and never had any fun at all.

I don't feel impressed by anything, I don't feel like exploring is exciting. It's more of a grind than most other mmos, hell there are even like 5-6 different mobs that never change throughout the areas and all the quests are "kill this for some time, then go to the next place and kill the same enemy". "Boss" battles is just button mashing (as is every fight). There's no teamplay. Nothing happens in the world, everything is incredibly static (no, "events" don't count). The crafting system is extremely tedious. Your character doesn't look different for like 80 levels. The personal story is a joke and obviously nothing they put any effort in (which is fine, I guess; priorities are priorities). I'm so bored of this type of game that is only about ability spamming and has absolutely no consequences to anything you do ever. I guess I'm too old and experienced with games to feel immersed in these kind of games, since people seem to like this game?

Also, the pvp system is incredibly confusing and boring. I still don't understand what's the point of even having it in.


Well you answered why you hate it in that last sentence. It's a pvp oriented game. If you dont understand the pvp system obviously you're not going to like the game. Not to mention it sounds like you didn't even try the dungeons which are being labelled as damn near impossible. So that debunks your "button mash" theory. I'm not going to convince you to like the game, but you honestly didn't try. 60 hours or not you didn't look much into anything.


Why is it pvp oriented? What's the point of winning in pvp? Absolutely none.


That's about the stupidest question you could ask in that regard.
What's the point in winning a tournament? What's the point in beating competition?
Fun and hopefully prestige and prizes.


This is not a competitive game, it's a fucking mmo.


It's Guild wars.
It's a PvP game. They just happend to put more work in the MMO pve side than in the previous game.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Critter
Profile Joined January 2011
United States196 Posts
September 03 2012 00:29 GMT
#5492
How does the TL server do in WvW? Both times I've tried WvW the server that my friends randomly pulled out of hat to play on has been getting it's ass handed to it. Everywhere I go there's 2 or 3 enemies for every 1 ally and they hold almost everything... it's just not fun at that point.

Two other quick questions. How does the being in multiple guilds work, as in, do you have to be representing a guild to talk in guild chat? Also can non-TL members (3 of my friends) join the TL guild if we swap over to Ehrmy(sp?) Bay?
IRL_Sinister
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Ireland621 Posts
September 03 2012 00:31 GMT
#5493
Anyone know where to get a Digital Copy through their partners? I tried the UK Game store and clicked "Digital" but it never indicates that it's the digital version I'm downloading, if anything it's the physical copy only. Any ideas?
curreh
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia265 Posts
September 03 2012 00:36 GMT
#5494
On September 03 2012 04:16 Zidane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 18:09 curreh wrote:
On September 02 2012 17:49 Zidane wrote:

From last night WvW on Ehmry Bay.

Love the music : ) thought I would ask your opinion, do you think an elementalist would be viable in pvp with high australian latency? trying to figure out what class I should play that suits having a bit of lag in pvp


For WvW it can work, but it'll be hard for Spvp when you need to be pretty precise.

Do all classes need to be precise in Spvp? Some more/less than others?
SlayerS Hwaiting! : )
Ramanujan
Profile Joined April 2012
137 Posts
September 03 2012 00:37 GMT
#5495
On September 03 2012 09:24 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 08:59 Ramanujan wrote:
On September 03 2012 08:52 Divine-Sneaker wrote:
On September 03 2012 08:27 Ramanujan wrote:
On September 03 2012 08:23 Infernal_dream wrote:
On September 03 2012 08:20 Ramanujan wrote:
So bored with this game I've played like 60 hours now and never had any fun at all.

I don't feel impressed by anything, I don't feel like exploring is exciting. It's more of a grind than most other mmos, hell there are even like 5-6 different mobs that never change throughout the areas and all the quests are "kill this for some time, then go to the next place and kill the same enemy". "Boss" battles is just button mashing (as is every fight). There's no teamplay. Nothing happens in the world, everything is incredibly static (no, "events" don't count). The crafting system is extremely tedious. Your character doesn't look different for like 80 levels. The personal story is a joke and obviously nothing they put any effort in (which is fine, I guess; priorities are priorities). I'm so bored of this type of game that is only about ability spamming and has absolutely no consequences to anything you do ever. I guess I'm too old and experienced with games to feel immersed in these kind of games, since people seem to like this game?

Also, the pvp system is incredibly confusing and boring. I still don't understand what's the point of even having it in.


Well you answered why you hate it in that last sentence. It's a pvp oriented game. If you dont understand the pvp system obviously you're not going to like the game. Not to mention it sounds like you didn't even try the dungeons which are being labelled as damn near impossible. So that debunks your "button mash" theory. I'm not going to convince you to like the game, but you honestly didn't try. 60 hours or not you didn't look much into anything.


Why is it pvp oriented? What's the point of winning in pvp? Absolutely none.


That's about the stupidest question you could ask in that regard.
What's the point in winning a tournament? What's the point in beating competition?
Fun and hopefully prestige and prizes.


This is not a competitive game, it's a fucking mmo.


It's Guild wars.
It's a PvP game. They just happend to put more work in the MMO pve side than in the previous game.


Ok, so the pve intentionally sucks. Good to know.
BliptiX
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada324 Posts
September 03 2012 00:38 GMT
#5496
On September 03 2012 08:59 Ramanujan wrote:
This is not a competitive game, it's a fucking mmo.


MMOs can be competitive despite you thinking they are not. I'm not sure what you think qualifies as competitive but I think two teams squaring off against each other in a goal oriented arena is competition enough.



Ramanujan
Profile Joined April 2012
137 Posts
September 03 2012 00:43 GMT
#5497
On September 03 2012 09:38 BliptiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 08:59 Ramanujan wrote:
This is not a competitive game, it's a fucking mmo.


MMOs can be competitive despite you thinking they are not. I'm not sure what you think qualifies as competitive but I think two teams squaring off against each other in a goal oriented arena is competition enough.





Yeah I guess. Wish I knew before I started playing though
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
September 03 2012 00:49 GMT
#5498
On September 03 2012 09:37 Ramanujan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 09:24 Noocta wrote:
On September 03 2012 08:59 Ramanujan wrote:
On September 03 2012 08:52 Divine-Sneaker wrote:
On September 03 2012 08:27 Ramanujan wrote:
On September 03 2012 08:23 Infernal_dream wrote:
On September 03 2012 08:20 Ramanujan wrote:
So bored with this game I've played like 60 hours now and never had any fun at all.

I don't feel impressed by anything, I don't feel like exploring is exciting. It's more of a grind than most other mmos, hell there are even like 5-6 different mobs that never change throughout the areas and all the quests are "kill this for some time, then go to the next place and kill the same enemy". "Boss" battles is just button mashing (as is every fight). There's no teamplay. Nothing happens in the world, everything is incredibly static (no, "events" don't count). The crafting system is extremely tedious. Your character doesn't look different for like 80 levels. The personal story is a joke and obviously nothing they put any effort in (which is fine, I guess; priorities are priorities). I'm so bored of this type of game that is only about ability spamming and has absolutely no consequences to anything you do ever. I guess I'm too old and experienced with games to feel immersed in these kind of games, since people seem to like this game?

Also, the pvp system is incredibly confusing and boring. I still don't understand what's the point of even having it in.


Well you answered why you hate it in that last sentence. It's a pvp oriented game. If you dont understand the pvp system obviously you're not going to like the game. Not to mention it sounds like you didn't even try the dungeons which are being labelled as damn near impossible. So that debunks your "button mash" theory. I'm not going to convince you to like the game, but you honestly didn't try. 60 hours or not you didn't look much into anything.


Why is it pvp oriented? What's the point of winning in pvp? Absolutely none.


That's about the stupidest question you could ask in that regard.
What's the point in winning a tournament? What's the point in beating competition?
Fun and hopefully prestige and prizes.


This is not a competitive game, it's a fucking mmo.


It's Guild wars.
It's a PvP game. They just happend to put more work in the MMO pve side than in the previous game.


Ok, so the pve intentionally sucks. Good to know.


It doesn't suck :/
I find it really enjoyable
Kinda like playing Fallout but as an MMO character with hotkey based rpg gameplay
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
September 03 2012 01:09 GMT
#5499
On September 03 2012 09:49 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 09:37 Ramanujan wrote:
On September 03 2012 09:24 Noocta wrote:
On September 03 2012 08:59 Ramanujan wrote:
On September 03 2012 08:52 Divine-Sneaker wrote:
On September 03 2012 08:27 Ramanujan wrote:
On September 03 2012 08:23 Infernal_dream wrote:
On September 03 2012 08:20 Ramanujan wrote:
So bored with this game I've played like 60 hours now and never had any fun at all.

I don't feel impressed by anything, I don't feel like exploring is exciting. It's more of a grind than most other mmos, hell there are even like 5-6 different mobs that never change throughout the areas and all the quests are "kill this for some time, then go to the next place and kill the same enemy". "Boss" battles is just button mashing (as is every fight). There's no teamplay. Nothing happens in the world, everything is incredibly static (no, "events" don't count). The crafting system is extremely tedious. Your character doesn't look different for like 80 levels. The personal story is a joke and obviously nothing they put any effort in (which is fine, I guess; priorities are priorities). I'm so bored of this type of game that is only about ability spamming and has absolutely no consequences to anything you do ever. I guess I'm too old and experienced with games to feel immersed in these kind of games, since people seem to like this game?

Also, the pvp system is incredibly confusing and boring. I still don't understand what's the point of even having it in.


Well you answered why you hate it in that last sentence. It's a pvp oriented game. If you dont understand the pvp system obviously you're not going to like the game. Not to mention it sounds like you didn't even try the dungeons which are being labelled as damn near impossible. So that debunks your "button mash" theory. I'm not going to convince you to like the game, but you honestly didn't try. 60 hours or not you didn't look much into anything.


Why is it pvp oriented? What's the point of winning in pvp? Absolutely none.


That's about the stupidest question you could ask in that regard.
What's the point in winning a tournament? What's the point in beating competition?
Fun and hopefully prestige and prizes.


This is not a competitive game, it's a fucking mmo.


It's Guild wars.
It's a PvP game. They just happend to put more work in the MMO pve side than in the previous game.


Ok, so the pve intentionally sucks. Good to know.


It doesn't suck :/
I find it really enjoyable
Kinda like playing Fallout but as an MMO character with hotkey based rpg gameplay


He hasn't played a single dungeon. Anyone who has would tell you the PVE doesn't suck, and is in fact extremely challenging. Meaning it takes more thought than just knowing the rotation of the boss a la wow pve (which is complete garbage) to actually complete.
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