EPTMade it through the terrifying part (for me lol) after like an hour of cowering in fear.
Definitely worth the money.
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
Made it through the terrifying part (for me lol) after like an hour of cowering in fear. Definitely worth the money. | ||
TheEmulator
28085 Posts
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FireBlast!
United Kingdom5251 Posts
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34486 Posts
On April 01 2013 16:27 FireBlast! wrote: I just stayed up all night completing it. It's incredible, Im overwhelmed with thought and emotion. It is exemplary on every level, the ending is as good as anything Ive encountered in any artform. So you're the guy everyone keeps mixing me up with...... | ||
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
On April 01 2013 16:27 TheEmulator wrote: Uh oh, there is a terrifying part? I'm the biggest girl when it comes to scary stuff. This means I should play it at night with the lights off. no, just a personal fear. People in fake-heads scare me LOL. You'll see the area when you see all their disembodied puppet-heads, it terrifies me. | ||
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TheEmulator
28085 Posts
On April 01 2013 16:34 Torenhire wrote: no, just a personal fear. People in fake-heads scare me LOL. You'll see the area when you see all their disembodied puppet-heads, it terrifies me. Well, I also have that fear. Anything scary is a fear of mine, lol. | ||
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FireBlast!
United Kingdom5251 Posts
On April 01 2013 16:30 Firebolt145 wrote: So you're the guy everyone keeps mixing me up with...... Haha? What? | ||
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
Wait care to elaborate on the puppet heads part? I don't remember anything from that wording lol, I'm really curious though. | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34486 Posts
On April 01 2013 16:50 Aerisky wrote: I guess it's because you're both fireb-- and your country tags are UK XD Wait care to elaborate on the puppet heads part? I don't remember anything from that wording lol, I'm really curious though. + Show Spoiler + Towards the end of the game, after Elizabeth gets recaptured by songbird and you're trying to free her. You meet the dudes with horns and masks for heads. The scary moment is here (also the best reaction I found on youtube): My own reaction was to fire an entire clip into it and shout FUCK FUCK MOTHERFUCK FUCK at 2am. | ||
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Solarist
291 Posts
On April 01 2013 01:59 grush57 wrote: My steam game said I played it for 8.8 hours and I beat the game on Normal. I didn't even rush it either, I went to buildings along the way to open chests etc. Was this similar time to you guys too? I used 9.3 hours with alot of backtracking, looking for stuff and general horsing around. Im fairly confident i could get it down to perhaps 8 hours on hardest difficulty. So the game is not overly long | ||
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Ideas
United States8082 Posts
On April 01 2013 06:04 geno wrote: What makes a game? It's so strange to me that people think of the entire concept of a game as such a uniform model, where you have to excel in every different aspect to get a good general review or excel in people favorite aspects to get certain praise. Even if I were to discount the gameplay and combat of the game as subpar, it would still rank a 9 or 10/10 for me on its other elements. Not every game needs to have an innovative and one-of-a-kind combat system just like not every book needs to have descriptive and creative illustrations. Not every game needs to contain a plethora of choices to affect or guide the story, nor is there any reason to suggest such a system is uniformly better than a linear game. They are just different games, it's like comparing apples and oranges to suggest one is better because it's not like the other. You say this could have just been a 10h+ movie because of it's linearity and story-driven nature, but it most certainly could not, certainly not in the way we experienced it as a game. This story may have been loosely adaptable, but it would not have had the same effect. The game could only have produced this experience AS A GAME, because of the many benefits the medium has for story-telling. In a game, you are your own director, you decide your own pacing and what shots to focus on and which ones to ignore or skip entirely. Games also have the benefit of length, where 10+ contiguous hours may be short for the general gaming audience, it is anything but for the other visual story-telling mediums. Lastly, games just have a more intangible interactive element that you simply cannot get from a movie, using free flowing first person perspective, actual combat and puzzles to draw you in, and other techniques to keep you moving. So when people tear apart a game on just one of the many factors that can (but not must) go into a game as if there is only one way to make a game, it's a disservice to the industry. Genres aren't enough, every game can be as unique and innovative in it's exposition as well as it's consumption as it's developers are capable of, and in a way other stricter mediums cannot. Not all games are alike, and they should not all be judged in the same way. I think it's dumb to say that it doesn't matter if the gameplay sucks as long as the narrative is great. you spend >50% of the time in Infinite actually playing it in combat or going through trash cans and the like looking for cash, and you can't look past the faults of that because the narrative is delivered well. And while I think it's true that games offer a certain experience that movies can't mimic in terms of story narrative, I don't necessarily think a first-person action shooter is the best form of delivery for the story in Infinite. The game has so many flaws in the narrative delivery that take you out of the experience: the farfetched-ness of people leaving around <60 seconds worth of audio recordings about random shit everywhere, a lot of kaleidoscope kiosks were about really specific stuff and were totally unbelievable to be placed in the certain place that they were about about the certain thing that they were, all NPCs only have 1 line or 2 of dialogue outside Elizabeth basically and then just stand around staring FOREVER, and the story doesn't take into account the gameplay behavior of the player at all (IE stealing EVERYTHING POSSIBLE THE WHOLE TIME). I think the story was pretty cool and the gameplay was decent, but I still don't think the same story couldn't have been delivered better in a movie or better yet a novel. | ||
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Yacobs
United States846 Posts
Let's be honest. It's basically getting praised on the back of its twist ending considering the rest of the "story" is pretty weak (the whole Comstock vs. Fink vs. Daisy vs. Slate religious/political thing has literally nothing to do with the actual story of the game and simply serves to pad the game length / give background info on the world). However, it's not even like the game's twist is original or shocking. Hell, that movie Looper had the same twist ending and we're talking about a movie that came out a year or two ago and didn't make any waves at all in the industry. So, Bioshock Infinite is akin to an OK but mostly unsuccessful action film that most movie watchers ignored... That's not even talking about the actual gameplay which is in turns mediocre (combat) and nonsensical (scrounging in every available container for loose change, buying ammunition and vigor mods from vending machines, etc). Apparently that's good enough to get 10/10 reviews and cause video gamers to go ape? | ||
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heishe
Germany2284 Posts
On April 01 2013 23:41 Yacobs wrote: This is an example of a game that is getting rave reviews simply based on how atrocious its AAA video game competition is. Let's be honest. It's basically getting praised on the back of its twist ending considering the rest of the "story" is pretty weak (the whole Comstock vs. Fink vs. Daisy vs. Slate religious/political thing has literally nothing to do with the actual story of the game and simply serves to pad the game length / give background info on the world). However, it's not even like the game's twist is original or shocking. Hell, that movie Looper had the same twist ending and we're talking about a movie that came out a year or two ago and didn't make any waves at all in the industry. So, Bioshock Infinite is akin to an OK but mostly unsuccessful action film that most movie watchers ignored... That's not even talking about the actual gameplay which is in turns mediocre (combat) and nonsensical (scrounging in every available container for loose change, buying ammunition and vigor mods from vending machines, etc). Apparently that's good enough to get 10/10 reviews and cause video gamers to go ape? The "broad strokes" aspect of the game isn't too interesting (even though the twist was balls to the walls awesome imo), that's true. But there are other aspects to the overall story that other games usually don't deal with in that way. The game has things to say about religion, racism, nationalism, the human nature of choices and the resulting troubles that plague us sometimes for the rest of our lives (I know I've had one of those before, probably not different for you), and other things. It also has some really nice moments (e.g. that black woman singing about 50% through the game, "some people are born with silver spoon in hands", just sent a shiver down my spine) that you simply don't ever see in other games. Some of the story telling is really subtle and you probably won't notice the implications without someone else telling you or you thinking about it. E.g. did you notice what the coinflip in the beginning of the game means? And the atmosphere and art direction of the game is just a solid 10/10. The amount of detail and environmental story telling you find in the world if you pay attention is absolutely incredible and at least in my gaming memory absolutely unrivaled (even by the original Bioshock). I would have given the game a 9/10 instead of 10/10 simply because of the shooter gameplay and the incredibly bad balancing on hard difficulty, but I can't say anything objective about that since shooters are incredibly boring to me in general. | ||
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TimENT
United States1425 Posts
On April 01 2013 23:41 Yacobs wrote: Apparently that's good enough to get 10/10 reviews and cause video gamers to go ape? Maybe 99.9% of gamers aren't miserable elitists who over-analyze every aspect of every single game in existence. Maybe that same 99.9% of gamers recognizes when a game is enjoyable and worthy of rave-reviews. Let the good times roll, because BioShock Infinite will be recognized as one of the greatest games of all time. It will sit right next to Half-Life 2, BioShock, Zelda OoT, and a few others. | ||
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Nimix
France1809 Posts
I guess you have to not be too rationalist to enjoy this game, because most of the amazement comes from the overall artistic quality of the game (be it the surroundings, characters, atmospheres, sound), and not the actual gameplay and fights (I don't agree much with people saying the story is simplist or bad, maybe it's an already used theme but I feel the characters are good enough to interest you in the story). People saying the game is bad because of the gameplay remind me of people telling me amnesia is shitty and not scary at all, because if you remove sound and just run all game long, nothing is scary about it and the game bores you in 5 minutes.. It's like you're playing the games just to prove people giving good feedback they're wrong, by trying to find everything bad about the game and playing it with the mindset that it's not good. I'm fine with people having different point of views, it would just be sad to miss everything that is great about something you spend several hours on because of a bad mindset. I guess if you can't be moved at all by great graphics in beautiful settings and great atmosphere, plus appealing characters, some with which you can interact a lot, B:I is not for you. On a different topic, People in fake-heads scare me LOL. You'll see the area when you see all their disembodied puppet-heads, it terrifies me. I wouldn't say I was terrified, but I was certainly not at ease during this whole part xD | ||
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Warri
Germany3208 Posts
On April 01 2013 18:32 Firebolt145 wrote: + Show Spoiler + Towards the end of the game, after Elizabeth gets recaptured by songbird and you're trying to free her. You meet the dudes with horns and masks for heads. The scary moment is here (also the best reaction I found on youtube): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6oV-5xv5TM My own reaction was to fire an entire clip into it and shout FUCK FUCK MOTHERFUCK FUCK at 2am. Is the RPG that strong or is he playing on easy? I went whole game with carbine/sniper and the fights were a bit more..challenging. Even on medium :D | ||
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
It was certainly not a faultless game but you can't argue that it tackled a lot of areas of game development that seems to be overlooked - what I'm hoping with Bioshock Infinite is that game developers realize that you can make a very, very good game based on character interaction/growth, and story, and start spending time on that AS WELL as good gameplay. No game review is going to match with every single persons thoughts, though, so to be annoyed or upset with people who think it's a 9/10 or lower is a little unfair. Different strokes for different folks! Also the RPG is pretty good, considering most enemies file out of doorways or hallways generally, unless they are already set up like in the very beginning of the game. Fire trap + RPG shot will generally pre-clear enemies lol. I played Carbine/Heater myself...Shocking the patriots and Charging behind them to pop a heater shot and some carbine shots in their back was ridiculously effective. edit: although that looks like easy, considering all those guys died in one shot - pretty sure the basic enemies took two rockets on medium...can't tell if his lighting hits them or not. | ||
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ne0lith
537 Posts
On April 01 2013 23:53 heishe wrote: The game has things to say about religion, racism, nationalism, the human nature of choices and the resulting troubles that plague us sometimes for the rest of our lives (I know I've had one of those before, probably not different for you), and other things. The problem is that these things are too in your face, to the point where everything becomes ridiculous and overly-exaggerated (the cheesiest scene that makes me facepalm comes to mind: a woman, looking at a huge statue of Comstock, says to someone something along the lines: "Do you think this does justice to Father Comstock? I don't think it's a match for his divinity!") . Not to mention the fact that if you pay attention, the themes are only touched on at a shallow level, sort of like: "Oh, look at this, racism and religous extremism is bad!". To me it seems like the game doesn't really have anything to say so it just chooses the easiest way of making it look meaningful: point some general flaws that many societies have, exaggerate them a great deal so everyone spots them and goes like: "oh, this game is so smart!" and then add one of the go-to narrative choices to make the story complicated enough that it covers its intrinsic lack of essence: parallel universes. Add the general cliches that go with it and you can call it done. The sad part is that this is enough for the game to be revered due to the low standards set by AAA games story-wise. The story lacks depth, the dialogues are forgettable at best, cheesy at worst, all it has going for it is a carefully crafted environment, which still shoves the game's simplistic messages down your throat perhaps too often. I can't believe this is seen as some kind of an example of what games should be narrative-wise. I'd recommend Planescape: Torment or the best game I have ever played when it comes to story, Pathologic, if you want to see just how much better game stories can be. Bioshock only seems like a Hollywood blockbuster if you compare it to games like those. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On April 02 2013 02:08 ne0lith wrote: The problem is that these things are too in your face, to the point where everything becomes ridiculous and overly-exaggerated (the cheesiest scene that makes me facepalm comes to mind: a woman, looking at a huge statue of Comstock, says to someone something along the lines: "Do you think this does justice to Father Comstock? I don't think it's a match for his divinity!") . Not to mention the fact that if you pay attention, the themes are only touched on at a shallow level, sort of like: "Oh, look at this, racism and religous extremism is bad!". To me it seems like the game doesn't really have anything to say so it just chooses the easiest way of making it look meaningful: point some general flaws that many societies have, exaggerate them a great deal so everyone spots them and goes like: "oh, this game is so smart!" and then add one of the go-to narrative choices to make the story complicated enough that it covers its intrinsic lack of essence: parallel universes. Add the general cliches that go with it and you can call it done. The sad part is that this is enough for the game to be revered due to the low standards set by AAA games story-wise. The story lacks depth, the dialogues are forgettable at best, cheesy at worst, all it has going for it is a carefully crafted environment, which still shoves the game's simplistic messages down your throat perhaps too often. I can't believe this is seen as some kind of an example of what games should be narrative-wise. I'd recommend Planescape: Torment or the best game I have ever played when it comes to story, Pathologic if you want to see just how much better game stories can be. Bioshock only seems like a Hollywood blockbuster if you compare it to games like those. If the takeaway is religion and extremism in the form of racism, then you missed the point of the game. This is meant to be shallow, since racism and religious extremism are shallow. The meat of the story comes in the relationship with Elizabeth and the revelations as the game moves forward. | ||
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heishe
Germany2284 Posts
On April 02 2013 02:13 ZeromuS wrote: If the takeaway is religion and extremism in the form of racism, then you missed the point of the game. This is meant to be shallow, since racism and religious extremism are shallow. The meat of the story comes in the relationship with Elizabeth and the revelations as the game moves forward. Racism and religious extremism are far form shallow issues, otherwise they would be simply cured and wouldn't exist in the world that we live in today. He has a point, if handled properly these things need to be dealt with in more depth, and the game only really touches on these issues and notifies the player of their existance, as opposed to actually looking at any of them in detail(except the motive of choice, which is viewed in more detail in the game). I'm not sure, I guess I have to play the game a second time to form a final opinion. | ||
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