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Ferrose
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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I had something else here, but I suppose the majority of their offensive woes can be explained by the massive amounts of injuries, and the incredibly poor running game that they had this season. They scored a lot of points, but this wasn't the offense we saw last season at all. | ||
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Southlight
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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On January 13 2011 03:16 Southlight wrote: There were rumblings that Peyton was ticked at Wayne for something like not running through on a pass that ended up being picked... during the SB. No one's been able to confirm it (NFL Films prolly the only one that can... heh) so it's hard to say much more than that, but it does make you wonder. That would explain the poor selection of routes, I suppose, but he was targeted more than anyone on the team (176 targets), and targeted more per game than any of the other WR's on the team--7.8 repeating for Garcon, 7.25 for Collie, though I think had Collie been in more, he would have had the most targets per game, as I think he went out immediately in the Philly game, which distorts that stat, and he certainly had a couple of other concussions that limited his action in games he played in. It's a very strange situation what happened with him. On the surface, it looks like there was probably no issues with Wayne, but the more you think about it, the more you wonder, because he did so little during so many games, and Manning forced it away from him so often. I really don't know what to think of the situation, other than thinking it needs to change next season. On another note, Rex Ryan has become intolerable to me. I wish he would just go away. I haven't rooted for the Patriots since the 1996 Super Bowl, but I'm pulling for them this weekend. I just want that fat joker off my TV. Yes, Bellicheck is better than you; no, this has nothing to do with you vs him. It's your players vs his players. | ||
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Southlight
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Phelix
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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On January 13 2011 04:03 Phelix wrote: Rex Ryan needs these antics because it distracts the media from questioning Sanchez. Rex Ryan is trying to take on Bill Belichick and Tom Brady so that Sanchez won't have to answer questions about Brady; any comparison is futile. It's really annoying and I wish he would stop this, but it's effect on the media cannot be questioned. I agree, but maybe his players should just play better if they want to avoid stupid questions. | ||
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Shindou
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Rex Ryan loves the attention. Taking the spotlight off sanchez would make sense too, but he does it all the time, even before the season starts when nobody is feeling any pressure. He just really likes to be a jackass. I'm excited to see what happens with the CBA, whenever it's finalized. It'll make landing Asomugha a lot more interesting and seeing if the (eventual) franchise tag the eagles will nail on vick will hold up. | ||
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MassHysteria
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Plus he just speaks his mind on most matters, which makes him much more entertaining to keep up with than all those other boring coaches such as Belichick, who shows no personality whatsoever. If you hate him and want to voice it over the actual game, then he has definitely done his job. | ||
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Southlight
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MassHysteria
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Phelix
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Southlight, I agree with your assessment totally, since if the Jets advance, Ryan will pick on the Pittsburgh/Baltimore game. Most likely the insults are going to be we beat Pittsburgh already, and that we have a better defense than Baltimore. The CBA will take a lot of working out, especially the 18-game season, rookie salary caps, injury and health insurance issues, and percentage of revenue to the players. Honestly, I think the owners are trying to put rookie salary caps and slots is to cover their asses for making poor signing decisions. | ||
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Southlight
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He has the fans interested just as much as people fawned over Brett Favre news. That is to say, the media had to print it, because it's theoretically newsworthy, but most people begin to despise the news carrier for printing it. And Rex Ryan is definitely getting into that Brett Favre category for many people, myself included. The CBA will take a lot of working out, especially the 18-game season, rookie salary caps, injury and health insurance issues, and percentage of revenue to the players. Honestly, I think the owners are trying to put rookie salary caps and slots is to cover their asses for making poor signing decisions. The rookie salary cap is necessary, by all accounts. It's preposterous that unproven rookies are being paid Pro-Bowl or even better salaries. That has got to stop. It's not doing anyone any good, least of all the teams that get saddled with the high picks. How many teams do you routinely see trading DOWN because they don't want to be stuck with that ridiculous pay? You see it good teams doing it all the time. There's no coincidence to that. I'd be surprised if anyone is actually against this. Most other issues are definitely issues, like the 18 game season. | ||
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MassHysteria
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On January 13 2011 06:05 Southlight wrote: As most players say, if you have to get your team motivated to play in a playoff game, then you've probably got some players that you should cut. That's media-driven BS. He has the fans interested just as much as people fawned over Brett Favre news. That is to say, the media had to print it, because it's theoretically newsworthy, but most people begin to despise the news carrier for printing it. And Rex Ryan is definitely getting into that Brett Favre category for many people, myself included. Everything you said I agree with, even Ryan agrees with you...Motivation is always there, but almost all teams play better when they are the underdog or its-me-against-the-world which is what they will be with all these people hating on them it seems like (I still don't think they are either, but seems like people are hating on them from this thread). Besides I honestly think it is more of a way to take attention away from Sanchez' terrible play vs the Colts like I said and take some pressure of him...And yes it is definitely media-driven, but almost all sports news is media-driven, which is what helps spikes up the ratings to a lot of sporting events. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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On January 13 2011 05:43 Shindou wrote: I'm not sure if you're saying that wayne is going to press for a trade or something, but he isn't leaving indy, and he really had an amazing season. They'll be good for next year when clark and collie are back, wouldn't hurt to see addai not get killed 2 weeks in too. Rex Ryan loves the attention. Taking the spotlight off sanchez would make sense too, but he does it all the time, even before the season starts when nobody is feeling any pressure. He just really likes to be a jackass. I'm excited to see what happens with the CBA, whenever it's finalized. It'll make landing Asomugha a lot more interesting and seeing if the (eventual) franchise tag the eagles will nail on vick will hold up. No, I don't think they're going to try to trade Wayne. I'm wondering if relief from injuries will cause the team to go back to his normal role as a WR. I wouldn't call his season "amazing," honestly. If you look at his stats, the majority of them were compiled in six games. He had 400 yards in two games, which means he had 900 in the remaining ten. He had however many games I said under 70 yards, five of those games were under 50 yards, and I think I said 13 under 100. He had a good season, but it was far from amazing. Weeks one, two, four, eleven, thirteen, and fourteen were the only weeks he produced like a number one receiver. The rest of the season he looked like a run of the mill number two guy, imo. It's not that he had a bad season, per the standards of the NFL, he just didn't have many games in which he produced number that one would expect from a top 5-7 WR. To top it all off, he only managed to reach the end zone six times this season, four off of his previous season's total. People have come to expect the totals from '06, '07, and '09 stats from him, but he put up numbers like he still had Marvin Harrison taking all the catches away. And again, I think that his stats are not indicative of the way they utilized him this season. He had shit routes all year long, except those four games I mentioned in the above paragraph. EDIT: As I look further into his stats, I notice that since '06 (really his breakout year, I think, it's when he people started to suspect that Harrison was about done) he has lowered his YPC total slightly each year. 15.23, 14.5, 13.97, 12.64, 12.2 starting in '06, ending this season. So, maybe I'm just trying to find issue where there is none, and this is just a normal progression for him. Maybe he's just getting old and slowing down... Still, it sure SEEMED like Peyton was shying away from him in favor of Collie and Garcon a lot this season, even though you'd see Wayne open. And it's not like I didn't watch their games. The one catch that Wayne had in the playoffs was the same type of pattern he got all year long. Maybe they know something about him that we don't? I don't know. On January 13 2011 06:05 Southlight wrote: As most players say, if you have to get your team motivated to play in a playoff game, then you've probably got some players that you should cut. That's media-driven BS. He has the fans interested just as much as people fawned over Brett Favre news. That is to say, the media had to print it, because it's theoretically newsworthy, but most people begin to despise the news carrier for printing it. And Rex Ryan is definitely getting into that Brett Favre category for many people, myself included. I think he's worse. I always felt that the media sought out Favre about as much as Favre sought the media. No one tempts Ryan into saying these things; they ask him the same questions that they ask any other coach. To me, this is all on Ryan, and it's become an incredibly annoying charade. I recently heard on the radio that his brother, Rob, was overlooked for some HC jobs, because they were afraid that Rex's bullshit antics would run in the family. | ||
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Southlight
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Phelix
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On January 13 2011 06:05 Southlight wrote: The rookie salary cap is necessary, by all accounts. It's preposterous that unproven rookies are being paid Pro-Bowl or even better salaries. That has got to stop. It's not doing anyone any good, least of all the teams that get saddled with the high picks. How many teams do you routinely see trading DOWN because they don't want to be stuck with that ridiculous pay? You see it good teams doing it all the time. There's no coincidence to that. I'd be surprised if anyone is actually against this. Most other issues are definitely issues, like the 18 game season. I think it's because teams are not willing to lower the amounts from the previous year of picks, which would make any number one pick's team be the cheapskate. Media would harp on the team that offered the #1 pick lower salary than the previous team, so the salaries would increase anyway. What the rookie salary cap will do is to shift the salaries from the seventh-rounders to the first-rounders, which will not be a solution to the problem. Sure, teams trade down picks because of salary concerns, but if management did not need to pay the amount in the first place, there would be no problem. Perception plays a big role in these drafts; if a team underpays the pick, that franchise is going to be seen as a franchise that is unwilling to put the best product on the field; Free Agents would spurn the team, and the team will keep getting high draft picks as a result. The main issue with the rookie salaries is that well-deserved players should be treated better with higher salaries than the rookies. Shorter rookie contracts should help mitigate this problem as the players that deserved to be paid would achieve Free Agency faster, where there is money. I expect the CBA to include a salary cap, but no one knows how much that is going to be until issues are hammered out. A rookie salary cap is just a cover for bad management practices and the media is focused on the money that is handed out to these picks. I would agree to shortening the rookie's contract, but to put a pay system would not be feasible. A slot system similar to MLB's draft system would fail because bigger teams are willing to overpay the slotted amount for their players. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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On January 13 2011 07:01 Southlight wrote: lol, that's pretty harsh. Was Buddy Ryan like Rex? I wasn't into sports when he coached (I don't even know what years he coached, actually, so it might have even been before I was born, lol). As far as I know, he was not as eccentric as Rex is, but he was a douche bag like Rex. He created some chaos on the Bears, and pretty much pitted the defense against the offense... of the Bears. He was pretty crazy, and really, not a great coach imo. He's remembered for being great because of the Bears D, but everything just kind of fell in place in Chicago. He didn't adapt to offenses well, and he didn't adapt to personnel well, either. Rex is a better coach, overall, I think. As far as a rookie salary cap goes, the NBA has one, and it works just fine. | ||
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Southlight
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The problem is that rookies actually have the leverage. It's well-documented that missing mini-camp and training camp kills that rookie's chance of performing that year, and franchises usually can't afford to whiff/waste a year on high picks. Yes, the rookie loses out if he holds out by having a shit career (usually) and actually sitting out until the next year usually results in a shitton of money lost and/or not being drafted again at all. But it's the franchise that needs the rookie more than the rookie matters in the eye of the public. Rookie loses out, people blast the franchise. Said rookie is out of football forever because he held out, no one cares; they only care that the franchise fucked itself. As a result, most teams are forced to overpay by a specific amount (something like 5% over the previous year was the norm I think?) to sign the player in a timely fashion, resulting in increasingly higher pay. Teams that try to be cheapskate or reasonable end up with a rookie hold out, end up usually capitulating to a degree anyways, and often end up with a garbage player - it's very unworth it for the franchise to have a holdout, that's why rookie holdouts are always looked upon as a blemish on the franchise, not the player (some few exceptions, like Andre Smith a couple years ago for Cinci). And this continues to escalate. At some point that 5% increase began to trump salary cap increases and you end up with these exponentially bloated contracts. Edit: Franchises don't like being held hostage by people they don't actually feel is worth the money they end up being forced to pay (and rightfully so), especially "bad" teams because they don't want to risk screwing themselves for 10 years by being tied financially to a guy who may or may not make it. And even if they do make it, you're setting a terrible pay precedent. Veteran players don't like having so much money being taken up by unproven players; people blast the Albert Haynesworth signing but if you cut his contract in half (years 5/6/7 were non-guaranteed balloon years that he would never have actually seen, given that they were like 20 years per, they were just there to make the overall money count look cool) you end up with a relatively manageable like 4 year 60 million contract. Considering Peppers was being paid some 12-20M per year that's not horrible for what Haynesworth technically could have brought to the table. However, people like Stafford were ballooning that or coming close with their crazy 10M/Y guaranteed + non-guaranteed annual. So yeah, veteran players don't like that shit so the Players Union wasn't too hot on it. Really the only winners were the rookies, but no one really cares. So most people are 99% sure a rookie scale is coming in, and there's going to be very little fight for it (token player's union fight for the rookies but their organization is heavily tipped in favor of vets so that's really just token). | ||
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