EPTDef with Southlight here too on the rookie salary cap. Remember what happened with Crabtree?
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Shindou
United States120 Posts
Def with Southlight here too on the rookie salary cap. Remember what happened with Crabtree? | ||
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Phelix
1931 Posts
I think a compromise needs to be reached, so that the rookie can't hold out and hold a franchise in hostage, while shortening the rookie contracts so that the deserving players reach Free Agency faster. Of course, both the owners and players are sticking to their guns and defending their sides in this negotiation. Edit: Fighting for the veterans' share of the revenue pie is the main goal of these bloated rookie contracts, mainly the top picks of the draft. Putting a cap would hurt the players in the lower rounds of the draft, as teams would just shift the cap money towards the top. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On January 13 2011 08:10 Shindou wrote: 100% the injury relief will help. Wayne's a stud. Barring a hamstring injury or whatever he's not going anywhere. Manning/Garcon weren't on the same page for 4-5 weeks straight midseason. Tamme couldn't run a deep route for his life, and no running game kills them every year. I don't really have faith addai will ever play a full season again but collie and clark will be huge. Def with Southlight here too on the rookie salary cap. Remember what happened with Crabtree? I think, moreover, remember what happened with Jamarcus? Crabtree still has potential. We won't really know until they get a QB that can get the ball to him. Jamarcus held out until week two of his rookie season, and three years later he was out of the league. He's probably going to be in jail within the next five, he's just that type of guy. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
Again, IMO the biggest losers are the high draft picks (as they won't be getting ridiculous 10M/Y contracts anymore, hopefully) and the agents who won't get as much money from those contracts. But the NFL doesn't need to care about those. Edit: Edit: Fighting for the veterans' share of the revenue pie is the main goal of these bloated rookie contracts, mainly the top picks of the draft. Putting a cap would hurt the players in the lower rounds of the draft, as teams would just shift the cap money towards the top. While that's definitely the player's union's side of things, ownership has as a whole routinely said over the past few years that they would not agree to a CBA without some sort of rookie pay scale because they were tired of it. Like MH says below though, this is definitely not going to be an issue to the lockout - both sides are basically in agreement. By the way regarding how the scale will work, none of us really know yet, but my assumption is that if they take the same thing NHL/NBA does it, they'll simply assign some sort of % or something to each position, from the top to bottom. Now, maybe they'll screw over the bottom by assigning inordinate amounts to the top, but in all likelihood the mid-bot will be similar to the bottom. They'll simply shave the top off the top to lower the total amount of money being alloted to rookies, which is really what the player's union would want anyways (more money to the vets). | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On January 13 2011 08:13 Phelix wrote: Well said, Southlight. Rookies do have the option of holding out until training camp which I totally forgot about, and the onus is on the franchise for getting the player they deemed to change it around. That is a big problem, and the power balance needs to be shifted, but putting a cap might give the owners far too much power in the negotiating table. Who deemed that 5% over the previous year was the norm? Management ultimately decides how much money the player receives in the end. I think a compromise needs to be reached, so that the rookie can't hold out and hold a franchise in hostage, while shortening the rookie contracts so that the deserving players reach Free Agency faster. Of course, both the owners and players are sticking to their guns and defending their sides in this negotiation. The players and players' agents decided that was the norm, and that is how it has gotten to be so bad for the NFL. Like Southlight said, the rookies hold all the leverage, and that is probably going to be the big bit of discussion between the players' union and the owners this offseason. The impact this has can even be seen in how reluctant some teams are to move up to the first rounds of the rookie drafts, to avoid having to pay so much for an unproven player. The rookie wage scale is definitely screwed up in the NFL and I would be surprised if this wasn't fixed in the next bargaining agreement, but I would be even more surprised if this point of contention was what actually caused a lockout for next season, since everyone knows how terrible it is currently for the teams. edit: just saw Southlight post with pretty much the same thing above me  | ||
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Phelix
1931 Posts
Rookie Salary Caps excuses some bad management decisions; management decisions are key components of creating a championship team. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On January 13 2011 08:53 Phelix wrote: I guess since the cap is agreed upon by the owners and that they want a rookie pay scale in the CBA; this is the easiest solution to shift money towards the veterans. I know it has gotten bad about the rookie contracts, but I was looking for a solution so that there would not be a rookie salary cap. Rookie Salary Caps excuses some bad management decisions; management decisions are key components of creating a championship team. It's not entirely a management decision. I wish you'd stop saying that. The Raiders, for instance, were forced into pay Jamarcus Russel a top 5 QB salary, essentially. It was either they paid him the money he wanted, or he was going to sit and become the #1 draft pick again. And then what? The team is out of luck. This is to protect management from being bullied into making bad decisions; decisions they'd rather not make. These guys would make much smarter decisions, and be able to keep very good, veteran players around for another year or two, if they weren't strong-armed into have to pay ludicrous rookie salaries every year. This has nothing to do with management trying to weasel it's way out of making poor decisions. They don't even know what they're really getting; talent evaluation is far from an exact science. All the tests, game video, and interviews in the world won't tell you how a guy will react to the NFL level, or how he'll perform. Tony Mandarich was the most dominant OL of his time in college. He failed miserably at the pro level, but everyone said he was going to be the greatest LT of all time. Nowadays, the Packers would have paid him nearly 40 mil guaranteed, because the second round pick last year made 38 mil. It's completely asinine. Just stop adding that stupid line at the end of your posts. The quoted text reads like "Oh I get what you're saying, and I agree... but I was still right before, despite it being contradictory to all the reasoning I've been presented in the post I just agreed in." WTF? | ||
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Phelix
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On January 13 2011 03:22 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: On another note, Rex Ryan has become intolerable to me. I wish he would just go away. I haven't rooted for the Patriots since the 1996 Super Bowl, but I'm pulling for them this weekend. I just want that fat joker off my TV. Yes, Bellicheck is better than you; no, this has nothing to do with you vs him. It's your players vs his players. *movie trailer narrator voice* Coming in August 2011, are you ready for...HARD KNOCKS SEASON TWO? This time with MORE Rex, MORE Sanchize, and MORE foot Question about the rookie salary cap: Would it include endorsements? Like if the cap were say, one mil a year. And a guy was paid one mil. Could he still make money from endorsements and stuff? | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
http://deadspin.com/5732917/wes-welker-makes-11-references-to-feet-in-one-press-conference <3 Wes Welker. | ||
GTR
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On January 13 2011 21:49 GTR wrote: can anyone tell me who the fuck is blaine glabbert and how his stock is rising for no reason? | ||
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Aquafresh
United States824 Posts
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On January 14 2011 09:18 Aquafresh wrote: Ugh John Fox in Denver? Get ready to watch the Broncos in an epic struggle for borderline competence. The only time they came close to winning anything in Carolina was when he was starting a bunch of Dr Shortt's science experiments on the defensive line. They certainly had the talent to win that division several times before the Saints got truly good, and almost every single time they had a barely mediocre season. "I think the rebuild probably is going to require a little bit more on defense than offense, but you know, I think I have a blueprint that we executed in Carolina, and I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work here in Denver." The only thing this asshole has is a blueprint of mediocrity. What an absolutely awful decision. That's two in a row. It's really hard for fans to continue to back a team when they routinely make terrible personnel, and front office decisions. This is just another piece in a long string of disheartening decisions made by the Broncos front office. I wish Bowlen would sell. "La Canfora also reported, via a league source, that Washington Redskins special teams coach Danny Smith is a candidate to take the same job with the Broncos." Really? I don't recall Washington having a very solid ST unit this year. Jim Mora is the front-runner for DC. I think Mora is a decent, at best, coach. I really don't understand how a guy that just posted back to back losing seasons, winning only two games this season, gets another crack at a head coaching gig so quickly. I still am a firm believer that Fewell was the best coaching candidate left on the market. It turns out that I was 100% correct two years ago when I said they should have taken Steve Spagnuola, then the NY Giants DC. I have a good feeling that Fox is going to fail miserably in Denver, while Fewell will get a job somewhere and have excellent success in the exact same manner that McDipshit failed miserably in Denver and Spagnuola looks to be building a future contender in St. Louis. | ||
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81da7342/article/manusky-reportedly-close-to-landing-chargers-dc-position Thoughts? | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On January 14 2011 09:16 GTR wrote: i posted this in the college football thread but since the season is over and no one seems to care anymore. Missouri's quarterback... who knows, he threw an interception to end the season. Really inconsistent in general. Great one week, terrible the next. I suppose if someone wanted to blow a pick on him, he'll be happy to screw their franchise over for years. | ||
BroOd
Austin10833 Posts
On January 14 2011 09:14 Souma wrote: This made me laugh out loud: http://deadspin.com/5732917/wes-welker-makes-11-references-to-feet-in-one-press-conference <3 Wes Welker. l o l. cant wait for this game | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
I also can't wait for the Bears to ram their junk down the Seahawks' throats. I'll take pictures, maybe. The below video was a lot funnier than the Welker one, imo. http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/01/13/theismann-provides-nfl-network-classic-moment/?module=HP_spotlight | ||
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BroOd
Austin10833 Posts
On January 14 2011 12:56 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: I'm not entirely sure those were digs at Ryan. They seemed like pretty standard statements... I can't wait to see the Jets get demoralized next week. I also can't wait for the Bears to ram their junk down the Seahawks' throats. I'll take pictures, maybe. The below video was a lot funnier than the Welker one, imo. http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/01/13/theismann-provides-nfl-network-classic-moment/?module=HP_spotlight maybe not, but i feel like that's a lot of references to be a coincidence. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
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