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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51523 Posts
January 11 2011 05:41 GMT
#4101
not to mention he's plagued by controversy
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Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7319 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-11 05:52:08
January 11 2011 05:45 GMT
#4102
On January 11 2011 13:02 Ferrose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2011 12:54 tonight wrote:
On January 11 2011 12:28 Phelix wrote:
There were fans calling for Tebow to be drafted in Jacksonville and Miami due to his many fans in Florida. In fact, fans would probably attend the games just to watch Tebow rather than the team to fill up the stands.

Most fans want a competent QB because they are far and few between in each draft. Also, QBs are the most visible position in the team, as they are the anchor for the offense.

I mean, most competent person that watched any sort of sports (for the most part) never thought Tebow would make a good NFL QB, but that didn't stop Florida fanboys and SEC fanboys in general from singing his praises.


The same will happen with Cam Newton. >.<



I think newton is a legit prospect. I wouldnt be surprised if hes good in the NFL down the road.

Hes not a fat slob like jawalrus, jamungus, japinkmink,

ec
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tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
January 11 2011 11:14 GMT
#4103
That's always the debate. He COULD be good, but history has shown that it's more than likely not the case.
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Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7319 Posts
January 11 2011 14:40 GMT
#4104
On January 11 2011 20:14 tonight wrote:
That's always the debate. He COULD be good, but history has shown that it's more than likely not the case.



I dunno, to me youd have to do a thorough survey of his personality and how much he works at the game and if he does that Id take him. If he seems to be lazy or not watch film or seems like the type to slack off after he gets paid....

dont get Jamungus again.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
January 11 2011 16:06 GMT
#4105
Biggest thing in Newton's favor is that his completion % is sick. Now the question is whether that's inflated by his system/how much people have to deal with his running in college. If he's actually that accurate (65%, even more accurate than Matt Ryan based purely on stats) then it's extremely likely that he'll pan out. I don't have that answer.
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Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
January 11 2011 16:13 GMT
#4106
I've only seen four of his games, but he is that accurate. He's made some really nice passes.
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BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10833 Posts
January 11 2011 16:27 GMT
#4107
Well, he's always looked like a much better passer than Jamarcus and VY, it really depends entirely on what type of coach he ends up with.
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
January 11 2011 16:52 GMT
#4108
I really don't believe in running QB's. I never have, and never will until I see more guys that run that much pan out in the NFL. So far, we have McNabb, and to a lesser degree, Vick. Vick still has a lot to prove, and McNabb was only a moderately better passer than Vick on the intermediate routes. It seems that they all suffer from the same flaw. They have big arms, and can hit the deep ball quite often, and they can throw screen passes, flairs, etc, fairly well, but on the 10-15 yard ins, outs, posts, crosses, and slants, they have miserable statistics. Until I see a guy that can hit those passes, I don't think believe they'll succeed.

To be fair, I haven't watched Newton in college, because I don't watch NCAA Football, so he might be the guy to silence the doubters. Until he silences me, I will continue to doubt.
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Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
January 11 2011 16:55 GMT
#4109
On January 12 2011 01:52 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
I really don't believe in running QB's. I never have, and never will until I see more guys that run that much pan out in the NFL. So far, we have McNabb, and to a lesser degree, Vick. Vick still has a lot to prove, and McNabb was only a moderately better passer than Vick on the intermediate routes. It seems that they all suffer from the same flaw. They have big arms, and can hit the deep ball quite often, and they can throw screen passes, flairs, etc, fairly well, but on the 10-15 yard ins, outs, posts, crosses, and slants, they have miserable statistics. Until I see a guy that can hit those passes, I don't think believe they'll succeed.

To be fair, I haven't watched Newton in college, because I don't watch NCAA Football, so he might be the guy to silence the doubters. Until he silences me, I will continue to doubt.


Newton is a great runner. And he's definitely a better passer than Vick and Vince Young. But I still think that what hurt Tebow will hurt Newton: mechanics, and not being in a pro-style offense.

There have been some good mobile QBs though (though they didn't run like Newton does), like Randall Cunningham.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
January 11 2011 17:01 GMT
#4110
My point was more that, if Cam Newton has the ability to hit passes accurately, and thus can function as a good pocket passer, then I can see him being successful, because that means even when his run is taken away (by superior athletes) then he can still chuck it. The question is whether he's actually as accurate as his completion % suggests (as completion % varies based on a lot of factors), and I've not seen his games to be able to tell if he can hit those 10-15 ins etc. If he can... my bet is that he'd succeed, as long as he has the work ethic, regardless of his stereotyping as a "running QB."
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
January 11 2011 17:04 GMT
#4111
Oh, I wasn't disagreeing with anyone at all. You could very well be correct on him, and I certainly haven't seen enough to disagree with what you say about him, I was only expressing why I doubt him.
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32112 Posts
January 11 2011 19:55 GMT
#4112
Newton is a much, much better passer than either of those two QBs. That's not saying much though.

Also, I could have sword that I read an article recently saying that Auburn runs a very limited system that maximizes his skillset, in the same way that Texas ran like just four plays with Young. That should be more concerning than anything. Alex Smith was a cunt that only halfway resembled a football player in shotgun. Pretty much any Ubran Meyer QB was like that. A lot of college qbacks come out with a very limited experience in anything run at a pro level
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
January 11 2011 20:12 GMT
#4113
It wouldn't be surprising at all. With the exception of guys like Luck, Bradford, probably Matt Ryan, and some of the more highly touted college QB's like those guys (P Manning in the 90's), most colleges tailor their game plan to the skill sets of the QB's that they have. Of course, it's smart for any team to do that, but the skill set needs to be much greater in the pros. Most of what I saw in the Nat'l Championship looked like very similar plays. He had the read option, like every college QB (I hate college football because of that play), a couple side line throws, a couple dig routes, a post or two, and a slant. From what I could tell, there weren't many extremely complicated plays or reads to make. Many of the plays seemed like one read pass/run plays. If A isn't open, run, basically.
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Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
January 11 2011 20:20 GMT
#4114
And in EVERY third and short, they just have Newton plow through the middle for a first down. And it works.
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KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14900 Posts
January 11 2011 20:21 GMT
#4115
yea. Unfortunately at the college level it actually works
SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
January 11 2011 20:32 GMT
#4116
Ugh, we need to get this bullshit discussion out of this thread, please. Reading it is irritating. College ball is such a damn joke.
I'm never gonna know you now \ But I'm gonna love you anyhow.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14900 Posts
January 11 2011 20:38 GMT
#4117
ok back to NFL
Ron Rivera just got hired as the head coach of the panthers
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6011884

Thoughts? He headed some solid defenses in Chicago and San Diego. I never really understood why the Bears let him go in 2007, but that Panthers team needs a LOT of work...
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
January 11 2011 20:43 GMT
#4118
@Lemon
I think it's inevitable when you begin discussing the draft, to be honest.

@KOF
Not sure about how he is as a head coach but he's as strong a candidate as any with no prior head coaching experience.
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-11 21:02:24
January 11 2011 20:51 GMT
#4119
On January 12 2011 05:43 Southlight wrote:
@Lemon
I think it's inevitable when you begin discussing the draft, to be honest.

@KOF
Not sure about how he is as a head coach but he's as strong a candidate as any with no prior head coaching experience.


Oh I know, I just hate college football, so I like to discuss the players, but not the college plays, which doesn't really make sense. I just hate how simplistic the game is at the college level. What actually sparked that was thinking about Newton bowling over an MLB in college. I'd LOVE to see a QB put his shoulder down against Urlacher, Lewis, or Willis. They'd probably be out for the game, but this punk in college got run the fuck over. : (

I think that it's about damn time Rivera got his chance. He's strengthened two mediocre defenses, and turned them into top-end defenses. Moreover, he's shown versatility as a play caller, adapting to his personnel in both situations, shown by running both a 4-3 C2 scheme, and a 3-4 scheme. I think that overall, players respect him both for his coaching, and his experience as a former player. I think Rivera, and probably Fewell were the top choices as head coaches this season. Maybe Harbaugh, but time will tell what type of success he can have at the pro level.
I'm never gonna know you now \ But I'm gonna love you anyhow.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32112 Posts
January 11 2011 20:57 GMT
#4120
Kind of like how fantasy discussion is NFL discussion, it is the same with soon to be pros.

But yeah, I agree with what SL said before. Newton basically has one read on each play or take off. There's no progressions at all, it seems.

Rivera is deserving, considering the carousel of assclowns that are on the NFL coaching circuit.
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