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On January 11 2011 02:51 Ferrose wrote:
I looked at the Niners schedules from the last few years, and they're due to play the AFC North next year. We get a Harbaugh v Harbaugh matchup in year one! Sounds like a MNF/SNF matchup to me.
I hope not, because it will be a beatdown and incredibly unentertaining.
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On January 11 2011 02:53 turamn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 02:51 Ferrose wrote:
I looked at the Niners schedules from the last few years, and they're due to play the AFC North next year. We get a Harbaugh v Harbaugh matchup in year one! Sounds like a MNF/SNF matchup to me. I hope not, because it will be a beatdown and incredibly unentertaining.
It will be. Because big brother v little brother is too irresistible for a primetime game tagline.
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On January 11 2011 02:51 Ferrose wrote:
I looked at the Niners schedules from the last few years, and they're due to play the AFC North next year. We get a Harbaugh v Harbaugh matchup in year one! Sounds like a MNF/SNF matchup to me.
So of course the stupid NFL Network will snap it up.......
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I don't disagree, I'm fairly confident that it will be a primetime game. It will be painful to watch. Is it just me or have the majority of the prime time games of late been pretty crappy ( post season not included)
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On January 11 2011 02:37 turamn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 02:30 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
[Oh wow, I forgot SF was such a high pick. I was thinking they were like 18-20, for some reason. I think that'd be almost reasonable to give up for Kolb. He's more proven than any guy coming from college that you're going to waste a first rounder on anyway. I think it would be pretty bad to go QB at 7 this year. There isn't a very highly regarded crop with Luck not coming out. I think Gabbert is the highest rated QB coming out now and he's regarded as a system product and not a pure talent. I'm not sold on Mallet and there's no way I want Cam Newton as my NFL quarterback. They may be able to justify to themselves trading 7 for Kolb, but personally, I don't see it as a wonderful investment.
What about Jake Locker? I'm not sure what's happened to him, be he was highly touted a year ago. People were saying he'd go early in last year's draft.
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On January 11 2011 02:57 turamn wrote:
I don't disagree, I'm fairly confident that it will be a primetime game. It will be painful to watch. Is it just me or have the majority of the prime time games of late been pretty crappy ( post season not included)
They almost always look appetizing when the season starts. But end up being shitty (see 2010 season opener: Saints v Vikings). And even the late season games that look like great matchups suck (see Pats v Jets).
Edit @ Lemons: Jake Locker is still one of the top three or four QB prospects in this year's draft.
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On January 11 2011 02:58 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 02:37 turamn wrote:On January 11 2011 02:30 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
[Oh wow, I forgot SF was such a high pick. I was thinking they were like 18-20, for some reason. I think that'd be almost reasonable to give up for Kolb. He's more proven than any guy coming from college that you're going to waste a first rounder on anyway. I think it would be pretty bad to go QB at 7 this year. There isn't a very highly regarded crop with Luck not coming out. I think Gabbert is the highest rated QB coming out now and he's regarded as a system product and not a pure talent. I'm not sold on Mallet and there's no way I want Cam Newton as my NFL quarterback. They may be able to justify to themselves trading 7 for Kolb, but personally, I don't see it as a wonderful investment. What about Jake Locker? I'm not sure what's happened to him, be he was highly touted a year ago. People were saying he'd go early in last year's draft.
He didnt declare and went back to school where he had a poor season.
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On January 11 2011 03:00 turamn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 02:58 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On January 11 2011 02:37 turamn wrote:On January 11 2011 02:30 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
[Oh wow, I forgot SF was such a high pick. I was thinking they were like 18-20, for some reason. I think that'd be almost reasonable to give up for Kolb. He's more proven than any guy coming from college that you're going to waste a first rounder on anyway. I think it would be pretty bad to go QB at 7 this year. There isn't a very highly regarded crop with Luck not coming out. I think Gabbert is the highest rated QB coming out now and he's regarded as a system product and not a pure talent. I'm not sold on Mallet and there's no way I want Cam Newton as my NFL quarterback. They may be able to justify to themselves trading 7 for Kolb, but personally, I don't see it as a wonderful investment. What about Jake Locker? I'm not sure what's happened to him, be he was highly touted a year ago. People were saying he'd go early in last year's draft. He didnt declare and went back to school where he had a poor season.
I just looked at his stats... they weren't that far off of his previous season. 17/9 compared to 21/11. He plays on an awful team, too. He's still worth a look, if nothing else, but maybe not a top 5 kind of guy.
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He is being projected as a second to third round pick. I'd wager to guess second since there are some QB needy teams, but still a pretty big fall from grace seeing as he was getting top 10 consideration last year.
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looking at his stats are worthless. he played like a heisman contender vs terrible defenses like USC and completely melted down when he played vs any team who had returning starters in their secondary. see their first game against nebraska.
that said, he is still probably a top 5 QB in this years draft class, not because of his current form but due to his upside. he played his first game of football in high school (didn't do pop warner leagues, etc) and due to his athleticism ended up being the washington state player of the year by his senior season (his team went 14-0 and won the state title). he's basically a freak athlete with huge upside but he's clearly still a project. not a player who you would want to take a top 5 or 10 draft pick on. those would be more proven commodities like Luck if he had declared... that is unless you're al davis and the raiders.
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If that's the case, I think a pick might wisely be spent by a team like Indianapolis, if he falls the third or fourth round. Peyton probably has four years left in him, but, to continue winning after Peyton, why not draft a project QB now? Who better for a guy to sit behind and learn? That is, of course, if they can settle their offensive line issues in the first few rounds. And their defensive line issues. In any case, I don't see the point in a bad team trying for a guy like the one LID8 described.
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the thing is that NFL scouts are probably drooling at his physical stats and speed so my guess is that he's gone in the first 2 rounds to some bad-to-mediocre team.
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Honestly, he sounds like Jay Cutler. Scouts nutted over his physical talents, and so far, he hasn't really lived up to the potential. I could see a decent team jumping up in the draft to grab him earlier than he should really go, similar to what Denver did with Cutler. Hopefully, for Locker, he works on his mechanics a bit more than Cutler has to this point.
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Cutler didn't have much time to learn the ropes on the bench, they kind of threw him into the fire and expected him to succeed. Not the greatest path to success
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On January 11 2011 03:37 KOFgokuon wrote:
Cutler didn't have much time to learn the ropes on the bench, they kind of threw him into the fire and expected him to succeed. Not the greatest path to success
They did the same thing to Peyton Manning, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Ben Rapistburger (granted, I think he's incredibly overrated as a QB). It's not a great excuse, and it's not like he had a bad line in Denver, to the point that he had to have horrible mechanics. I think if Shannahan had stayed with the team, he would be better right now. Hopefully Martz can get him to fix his mechanics somewhat over the offseason. If Tebow can change his throwing motion in four months, Cutler can stop throwing off his back foot in seven.
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Cutler flourished behind the best offensive line in the league in Denver, backed by a rushing attack that spread the field so well horizontally that they had over 5.5 yards per average on outside runs. That's a quarterback's best dream.
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On January 11 2011 03:47 Southlight wrote:
Cutler flourished behind the best offensive line in the league in Denver, backed by a rushing attack that spread the field so well horizontally that they had over 5.5 yards per average on outside runs. That's a quarterback's best dream.
Well, yeah, of course a good running game and offensive line help a QB. Still, there was marked improvement from him, as a player, from year one to year two, and year two to year three. I think with Shannahan/Bates drilling him on mechanics, etc, he would have gotten even better. He could have been a top five QB in the NFL by now, had they kept that offense together. They didn't, he got traded, and he regressed behind one of the worst offensive lines the NFL has ever seen. He improved leaps and bounds from last year to this year, though. I think if Martz continues to work with him, and they can fix the dumb mechanical things he does (which, if he's willing, is absolutely possible in a single off season), he could be back on track to being an elite QB. If he doesn't start to fix his poor mechanics, he may go the way of Jeff George.
And what I'm saying is that the running game was the same in both seasons; you could see improvement in Cutler himself in his first three years. He's been a lot smarter in the RZ this year, even, so I think he's on the right track, he just needs to fix a couple other things, and all he needs is the desire.
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On January 11 2011 03:37 KOFgokuon wrote:
Cutler didn't have much time to learn the ropes on the bench, they kind of threw him into the fire and expected him to succeed. Not the greatest path to success
I was incredulous you could call that "throwing him into the fire." That was probably the most lukewarm pot you could toss someone into, sort of like Vince Young the past few years with CJ, except Cutler obviously could throw better than VY (doesn't hurt to have Brandon Marshall either). Top it all off with no one actually expecting anything of Cutler and being pleasantly surprised by every 200 yard game against teams stuck trying to figure out how to stop that ridiculous outside run, hahah.
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On January 11 2011 00:22 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 13:26 Souma wrote:
He's incredibly fast which allows him to actually catch more of Campbell's more inaccurate passes, and he can fight for the ball while pit against defenders. Remember, Campbell's not a very good QB himself. From what I've seen of Ford, he can be quite good. He's not just speed, he really goes after the ball, which I think is quite valuable when your QB's not very accurate.
Also, 25 receptions for 470 yards = 18.8 average. That's great. 18.8 average is great, but 2.8 receptions/game and 52.2 yards/game = pretty pedestrian for the best WR on the team. If he had played the full season with that average, he would have had 835 yards. You can argue that because the team is run first, he doesn't get as many opportunities, but also remember that the 8th defender will be in the box against a run first team, so the receiver's numbers will be inflated because they see less defenders.
I think you're thinking a bit too much on that.
As good as Ford was looking, he was still a rookie who was being utilized in a lot of various ways (special teams, receiving, rushing). He didn't get all the time in the world as a receiver when he did start in games, and as we've said, Campbell blows donkey balls.
But whatever, we won't know how good the kid is until we see him in some real action, hopefully next season.
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On January 11 2011 03:55 Southlight wrote:Whoops sorry, I was responding to Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 03:37 KOFgokuon wrote:
Cutler didn't have much time to learn the ropes on the bench, they kind of threw him into the fire and expected him to succeed. Not the greatest path to success I was incredulous you could call that "throwing him into the fire." That was probably the most lukewarm pot you could toss someone into, sort of like Vince Young the past few years with CJ, except Cutler obviously could throw better than VY (doesn't hurt to have Brandon Marshall either). Top it all off with no one actually expecting anything of Cutler and being pleasantly surprised by every 200 yard game against teams stuck trying to figure out how to stop that ridiculous outside run, hahah.
Culter had the Elway expectations around him. I'd hardly call that lukewarm, even if it's like a decade after. Run support helped, but it was not nearly as big as you make it out to be. Vince Young should give half of all his paychecks over the last few years to CJ. He's the only reason VY won any of those games
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