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Maclin's really solid, but he always struck me as a guy who makes his living by being a really good route runner moreso than raw talent and speed like Jackson. He always seems to find the soft spots in zones, whereas Jackson's bread and butter is just running deep and under a ball
But yeah, I think Kolb is the starter by year's end next season. Vick's main weapons are his legs, the deep ball and the little screen to the super quick WRs. His short and mid accuracy is pretty shitty and his deep ball isn't exactly accurate either... he's best when he leads Jackson, not trying to drop it in.
You need a little more diversity in the playcalling to be effective in the long run. Look at Miami—their gimmick is starting to get figured out and now, without a real passer at the helm, they are one dimensional
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Cmon Ravens lets get Nnamdi :O
Too bad we probably don't have the money 
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On January 10 2011 12:21 Phelix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 11:17 Ferrose wrote:
Kolb should go to a team like the Raiders. They need a good QB. Raiders have Campbell, and putting Kolb into the Raiders offense won't do any good because they don't have good WRs as Qatol stated. Also, I think the Raiders have more pressing concerns at this point than the issue at quarterback with Asomugha becoming a free agent. Then again, it's Al Davis calling the shots, so anything could happen.
Yeah, I can't believe I just read that. Campbell sucks. I'm assuming that the people that are saying "but they have Campbell!" didn't watch the Raiders very much, if at all, this season. He was pathetic, to say the least. I watched probably seven Raiders games this year, because I liked seeing my HB's (Bush and McFadden later) run the ball, and the only highlight of that offense was the running game.
Their WR's aren't spectacular, but with a better QB they could be a legit offense. They have a good enough offensive line, below average WR's, and way below average QB. If you put Campbell in a situation like, say... Baltimore, Houston, or New Orleans, he might not look terrible, because they all have some offensive weapons. If you don't give this guy top 5 talent around him, he'll never be good, and he'll never win a Super Bowl. He's a career backup, at best.
The Bears offense seemed semi-legitimate at times with terrible WR's, a terrible offensive line, mediocre running game, and sometimes great QB play. If you put someone good on the Raiders, they'd probably be better than the Bears offense, at least.
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On January 11 2011 00:28 Hawk wrote:
Maclin's really solid, but he always struck me as a guy who makes his living by being a really good route runner moreso than raw talent and speed like Jackson. He always seems to find the soft spots in zones, whereas Jackson's bread and butter is just running deep and under a ball
But yeah, I think Kolb is the starter by year's end next season. Vick's main weapons are his legs, the deep ball and the little screen to the super quick WRs. His short and mid accuracy is pretty shitty and his deep ball isn't exactly accurate either... he's best when he leads Jackson, not trying to drop it in.
You need a little more diversity in the playcalling to be effective in the long run. Look at Miami—their gimmick is starting to get figured out and now, without a real passer at the helm, they are one dimensional
I think the absolute best option for the Eagles is to franchise Vick, and keep Kolb until the end of his contract there. That way, if Vick can't repeat, they have Kolb to take over. Personally, though, I'd like to see Kolb traded away to somewhere like Minnesota (he could make them a contender again), or Oakland... Denver (then again, they have Tebow! YEAH!), San Fran (you'd love that, huh?)... I think there are a lot of teams that could use a guy like Kolb, who seems to have the stuff needed to be a big time QB some day in the NFL. I think San Fran would be ideal for a guy like Kolb. He'd run a pretty similar style offense (well, what's supposed to be similar, Reid runs a really mutilated version of the west coast, supposedly), he'd have a good running game behind him, with a couple of young, potentially great WR's. SF is probably going to miss on any of the top QB's coming out, Mallet, Locker, etc, why not go for a guy like Kolb? That is, unless the team plans to tank the season to get Luck in the next season's draft.
I'm not sure that anyone will know the answer to this, but does a player have to declare for the draft, and then not get drafted to join a team as a free agent? I'd imagine there's some sort of protocol in place for that.
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The franchise tag and ride out Kolb seems like the best plan of action for the Eagles.
I'd splooge my pants if we got Kolb somehow. Even if he never progresses much past where he is, he'd still automatically be better than anyone in nearly 10 years there, and would be adequate enough that Gore wouldn't face 8 or 9 in the box all day.
I'd love to have Luck, but the team can't afford to let Willis and especially Gore age any more.
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On January 11 2011 00:43 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 00:28 Hawk wrote:
Maclin's really solid, but he always struck me as a guy who makes his living by being a really good route runner moreso than raw talent and speed like Jackson. He always seems to find the soft spots in zones, whereas Jackson's bread and butter is just running deep and under a ball
But yeah, I think Kolb is the starter by year's end next season. Vick's main weapons are his legs, the deep ball and the little screen to the super quick WRs. His short and mid accuracy is pretty shitty and his deep ball isn't exactly accurate either... he's best when he leads Jackson, not trying to drop it in.
You need a little more diversity in the playcalling to be effective in the long run. Look at Miami—their gimmick is starting to get figured out and now, without a real passer at the helm, they are one dimensional I think the absolute best option for the Eagles is to franchise Vick, and keep Kolb until the end of his contract there. That way, if Vick can't repeat, they have Kolb to take over. Personally, though, I'd like to see Kolb traded away to somewhere like Minnesota (he could make them a contender again), or Oakland... Denver (then again, they have Tebow! YEAH!), San Fran (you'd love that, huh?)... I think there are a lot of teams that could use a guy like Kolb, who seems to have the stuff needed to be a big time QB some day in the NFL. I think San Fran would be ideal for a guy like Kolb. He'd run a pretty similar style offense (well, what's supposed to be similar, Reid runs a really mutilated version of the west coast, supposedly), he'd have a good running game behind him, with a couple of young, potentially great WR's. SF is probably going to miss on any of the top QB's coming out, Mallet, Locker, etc, why not go for a guy like Kolb? That is, unless the team plans to tank the season to get Luck in the next season's draft. I'm not sure that anyone will know the answer to this, but does a player have to declare for the draft, and then not get drafted to join a team as a free agent? I'd imagine there's some sort of protocol in place for that.
I think you do have to be undrafted to be signed as a free agent. Otherwise, wouldn't teams just try to sign players before the draft? I'd imagine that if a Junior who declared and didn't get drafted, he'd just go back to school (who knows, maybe after you declare you can't go play college ball again; you'd just have to finish your degree). If it was a Senior, he'd sign as a free agent or just move on with his life. Though maybe I'm wrong, because haven't a few number one picks already negotiated contracts before the draft?
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On January 11 2011 00:50 Ferrose wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 00:43 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On January 11 2011 00:28 Hawk wrote:
Maclin's really solid, but he always struck me as a guy who makes his living by being a really good route runner moreso than raw talent and speed like Jackson. He always seems to find the soft spots in zones, whereas Jackson's bread and butter is just running deep and under a ball
But yeah, I think Kolb is the starter by year's end next season. Vick's main weapons are his legs, the deep ball and the little screen to the super quick WRs. His short and mid accuracy is pretty shitty and his deep ball isn't exactly accurate either... he's best when he leads Jackson, not trying to drop it in.
You need a little more diversity in the playcalling to be effective in the long run. Look at Miami—their gimmick is starting to get figured out and now, without a real passer at the helm, they are one dimensional I think the absolute best option for the Eagles is to franchise Vick, and keep Kolb until the end of his contract there. That way, if Vick can't repeat, they have Kolb to take over. Personally, though, I'd like to see Kolb traded away to somewhere like Minnesota (he could make them a contender again), or Oakland... Denver (then again, they have Tebow! YEAH!), San Fran (you'd love that, huh?)... I think there are a lot of teams that could use a guy like Kolb, who seems to have the stuff needed to be a big time QB some day in the NFL. I think San Fran would be ideal for a guy like Kolb. He'd run a pretty similar style offense (well, what's supposed to be similar, Reid runs a really mutilated version of the west coast, supposedly), he'd have a good running game behind him, with a couple of young, potentially great WR's. SF is probably going to miss on any of the top QB's coming out, Mallet, Locker, etc, why not go for a guy like Kolb? That is, unless the team plans to tank the season to get Luck in the next season's draft. I'm not sure that anyone will know the answer to this, but does a player have to declare for the draft, and then not get drafted to join a team as a free agent? I'd imagine there's some sort of protocol in place for that. I think you do have to be undrafted to be signed as a free agent. Otherwise, wouldn't teams just try to sign players before the draft? I'd imagine that if a Junior who declared and didn't get drafted, he'd just go back to school (who knows, maybe after you declare you can't go play college ball again; you'd just have to finish your degree). If it was a Senior, he'd sign as a free agent or just move on with his life. Though maybe I'm wrong, because haven't a few number one picks already negotiated contracts before the draft?
No, once you go through the draft, you can't go back.
But there are guys that come from the AFL, or when it existed, the USFL. Marcus Dupree played in the NFL, and he was never drafted, and never entered the draft (watch his story on 30 for 30, btw, interesting stuff). Why couldn't Luck come out after his senior year, say he's not going to play football, then sign with a team? Now, if he came out early, they could say "he's not eligible until year 2012," or whatever year. But, since money does not appear to be an issue for Luck, why wouldn't he take a coarse similar to this? Maybe he goes to SF, or a good team that is in need of a young QB? To me, that's smart planning.
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On January 11 2011 00:50 Ferrose wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 00:43 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On January 11 2011 00:28 Hawk wrote:
Maclin's really solid, but he always struck me as a guy who makes his living by being a really good route runner moreso than raw talent and speed like Jackson. He always seems to find the soft spots in zones, whereas Jackson's bread and butter is just running deep and under a ball
But yeah, I think Kolb is the starter by year's end next season. Vick's main weapons are his legs, the deep ball and the little screen to the super quick WRs. His short and mid accuracy is pretty shitty and his deep ball isn't exactly accurate either... he's best when he leads Jackson, not trying to drop it in.
You need a little more diversity in the playcalling to be effective in the long run. Look at Miami—their gimmick is starting to get figured out and now, without a real passer at the helm, they are one dimensional I think the absolute best option for the Eagles is to franchise Vick, and keep Kolb until the end of his contract there. That way, if Vick can't repeat, they have Kolb to take over. Personally, though, I'd like to see Kolb traded away to somewhere like Minnesota (he could make them a contender again), or Oakland... Denver (then again, they have Tebow! YEAH!), San Fran (you'd love that, huh?)... I think there are a lot of teams that could use a guy like Kolb, who seems to have the stuff needed to be a big time QB some day in the NFL. I think San Fran would be ideal for a guy like Kolb. He'd run a pretty similar style offense (well, what's supposed to be similar, Reid runs a really mutilated version of the west coast, supposedly), he'd have a good running game behind him, with a couple of young, potentially great WR's. SF is probably going to miss on any of the top QB's coming out, Mallet, Locker, etc, why not go for a guy like Kolb? That is, unless the team plans to tank the season to get Luck in the next season's draft. I'm not sure that anyone will know the answer to this, but does a player have to declare for the draft, and then not get drafted to join a team as a free agent? I'd imagine there's some sort of protocol in place for that. I think you do have to be undrafted to be signed as a free agent. Otherwise, wouldn't teams just try to sign players before the draft? I'd imagine that if a Junior who declared and didn't get drafted, he'd just go back to school (who knows, maybe after you declare you can't go play college ball again; you'd just have to finish your degree). If it was a Senior, he'd sign as a free agent or just move on with his life. Though maybe I'm wrong, because haven't a few number one picks already negotiated contracts before the draft?
I'm pretty sure you have to declare for the draft or be finishing your senior year to sign as a free agent. I know that once you declare, you can't compete in NCAA games ever again, though you can definitely still finish your degree.
Do you really think Philly will trade Kolb to an NFC team if they can help it? You would think that their first preference would be an AFC team (Cincinnati? Buffalo? Tennessee? Oakland I guess?) before they started thinking about teams like SF or Minnesota. Especially Minnesota because a non-crap QB turns them into a playoff contender again.
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"I hope John does better than I did, because I stunk at it.''
-- TV analyst Matt Millen, to the Denver Post, on John Elway being handed the Broncos' top football executive position. Millen had a grim eight-year run in Detroit that left the franchise in shambles.
Harper at least was honest with the New Orleans Times Picayune on the play that he let John Carlson flop around on the ground like a dying fish, then watched him get up and run to an open spot for a touchdown throw. "He hit me with the 'oh, crap!' screen, you know, where the guy's on the ground and everything's going the other way and all of a sudden he gets up off the ground and goes the other way," Harper said.
:D
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On January 11 2011 01:13 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 00:50 Ferrose wrote:On January 11 2011 00:43 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On January 11 2011 00:28 Hawk wrote:
Maclin's really solid, but he always struck me as a guy who makes his living by being a really good route runner moreso than raw talent and speed like Jackson. He always seems to find the soft spots in zones, whereas Jackson's bread and butter is just running deep and under a ball
But yeah, I think Kolb is the starter by year's end next season. Vick's main weapons are his legs, the deep ball and the little screen to the super quick WRs. His short and mid accuracy is pretty shitty and his deep ball isn't exactly accurate either... he's best when he leads Jackson, not trying to drop it in.
You need a little more diversity in the playcalling to be effective in the long run. Look at Miami—their gimmick is starting to get figured out and now, without a real passer at the helm, they are one dimensional I think the absolute best option for the Eagles is to franchise Vick, and keep Kolb until the end of his contract there. That way, if Vick can't repeat, they have Kolb to take over. Personally, though, I'd like to see Kolb traded away to somewhere like Minnesota (he could make them a contender again), or Oakland... Denver (then again, they have Tebow! YEAH!), San Fran (you'd love that, huh?)... I think there are a lot of teams that could use a guy like Kolb, who seems to have the stuff needed to be a big time QB some day in the NFL. I think San Fran would be ideal for a guy like Kolb. He'd run a pretty similar style offense (well, what's supposed to be similar, Reid runs a really mutilated version of the west coast, supposedly), he'd have a good running game behind him, with a couple of young, potentially great WR's. SF is probably going to miss on any of the top QB's coming out, Mallet, Locker, etc, why not go for a guy like Kolb? That is, unless the team plans to tank the season to get Luck in the next season's draft. I'm not sure that anyone will know the answer to this, but does a player have to declare for the draft, and then not get drafted to join a team as a free agent? I'd imagine there's some sort of protocol in place for that. I think you do have to be undrafted to be signed as a free agent. Otherwise, wouldn't teams just try to sign players before the draft? I'd imagine that if a Junior who declared and didn't get drafted, he'd just go back to school (who knows, maybe after you declare you can't go play college ball again; you'd just have to finish your degree). If it was a Senior, he'd sign as a free agent or just move on with his life. Though maybe I'm wrong, because haven't a few number one picks already negotiated contracts before the draft? I'm pretty sure you have to declare for the draft or be finishing your senior year to sign as a free agent. I know that once you declare, you can't compete in NCAA games ever again, though you can definitely still finish your degree. Do you really think Philly will trade Kolb to an NFC team if they can help it? You would think that their first preference would be an AFC team (Cincinnati? Buffalo? Tennessee? Oakland I guess?) before they started thinking about teams like SF or Minnesota. Especially Minnesota because a non-crap QB turns them into a playoff contender again.
They traded McNabb in-division. Granted, they must have seen that Washington was terrible, and that McNabb was at the end of his career, but there's no telling what will happen (especially not after McNabb had a good season), and they did it anyway.
Funny quotes, Southlight, context would be appreciated though.
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Not sure about context, except that the first was Millen commenting on Elway being appointed by the Broncos to whatever position that is, and the second being Roman Harper talking about how he got duped by Carlson for a TD, hah. They're both from the quote section of King's MMQB column, but not everyone reads it so I figured I'd post the funny :D
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On January 11 2011 01:17 Southlight wrote:Show nested quote +"I hope John does better than I did, because I stunk at it.''
-- TV analyst Matt Millen, to the Denver Post, on John Elway being handed the Broncos' top football executive position. Millen had a grim eight-year run in Detroit that left the franchise in shambles. Show nested quote +Harper at least was honest with the New Orleans Times Picayune on the play that he let John Carlson flop around on the ground like a dying fish, then watched him get up and run to an open spot for a touchdown throw. "He hit me with the 'oh, crap!' screen, you know, where the guy's on the ground and everything's going the other way and all of a sudden he gets up off the ground and goes the other way," Harper said. :D
At least that dickbag owns up to destroying the Lions.
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On January 11 2011 01:25 Southlight wrote:
Not sure about context, except that the first was Millen commenting on Elway being appointed by the Broncos to whatever position that is, and the second being Roman Harper talking about how he got duped by Carlson for a TD, hah. They're both from the quote section of King's MMQB column, but not everyone reads it so I figured I'd post the funny :D
Oh, okay, I thought maybe they were from full articles on the games, or something.
Millen's quote didn't need anything, it's funny alone, but I didn't watch the whole Saints game, so I didn't catch that play (work kept me from it, to a degree).
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On January 11 2011 01:21 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 01:13 Qatol wrote:On January 11 2011 00:50 Ferrose wrote:On January 11 2011 00:43 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On January 11 2011 00:28 Hawk wrote:
Maclin's really solid, but he always struck me as a guy who makes his living by being a really good route runner moreso than raw talent and speed like Jackson. He always seems to find the soft spots in zones, whereas Jackson's bread and butter is just running deep and under a ball
But yeah, I think Kolb is the starter by year's end next season. Vick's main weapons are his legs, the deep ball and the little screen to the super quick WRs. His short and mid accuracy is pretty shitty and his deep ball isn't exactly accurate either... he's best when he leads Jackson, not trying to drop it in.
You need a little more diversity in the playcalling to be effective in the long run. Look at Miami—their gimmick is starting to get figured out and now, without a real passer at the helm, they are one dimensional I think the absolute best option for the Eagles is to franchise Vick, and keep Kolb until the end of his contract there. That way, if Vick can't repeat, they have Kolb to take over. Personally, though, I'd like to see Kolb traded away to somewhere like Minnesota (he could make them a contender again), or Oakland... Denver (then again, they have Tebow! YEAH!), San Fran (you'd love that, huh?)... I think there are a lot of teams that could use a guy like Kolb, who seems to have the stuff needed to be a big time QB some day in the NFL. I think San Fran would be ideal for a guy like Kolb. He'd run a pretty similar style offense (well, what's supposed to be similar, Reid runs a really mutilated version of the west coast, supposedly), he'd have a good running game behind him, with a couple of young, potentially great WR's. SF is probably going to miss on any of the top QB's coming out, Mallet, Locker, etc, why not go for a guy like Kolb? That is, unless the team plans to tank the season to get Luck in the next season's draft. I'm not sure that anyone will know the answer to this, but does a player have to declare for the draft, and then not get drafted to join a team as a free agent? I'd imagine there's some sort of protocol in place for that. I think you do have to be undrafted to be signed as a free agent. Otherwise, wouldn't teams just try to sign players before the draft? I'd imagine that if a Junior who declared and didn't get drafted, he'd just go back to school (who knows, maybe after you declare you can't go play college ball again; you'd just have to finish your degree). If it was a Senior, he'd sign as a free agent or just move on with his life. Though maybe I'm wrong, because haven't a few number one picks already negotiated contracts before the draft? I'm pretty sure you have to declare for the draft or be finishing your senior year to sign as a free agent. I know that once you declare, you can't compete in NCAA games ever again, though you can definitely still finish your degree. Do you really think Philly will trade Kolb to an NFC team if they can help it? You would think that their first preference would be an AFC team (Cincinnati? Buffalo? Tennessee? Oakland I guess?) before they started thinking about teams like SF or Minnesota. Especially Minnesota because a non-crap QB turns them into a playoff contender again. They traded McNabb in-division. Granted, they must have seen that Washington was terrible, and that McNabb was at the end of his career, but there's no telling what will happen (especially not after McNabb had a good season), and they did it anyway. Funny quotes, Southlight, context would be appreciated though.
I'm pretty sure they just knew something Washington didn't about McNabb (that he was completely washed up). Besides, Washington gave up a 2nd rounder for McNabb. I guess a NFC team overpaying badly would convince the Eagles to trade Kolb within the conference too.
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On January 11 2011 01:43 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 01:21 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On January 11 2011 01:13 Qatol wrote:On January 11 2011 00:50 Ferrose wrote:On January 11 2011 00:43 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On January 11 2011 00:28 Hawk wrote:
Maclin's really solid, but he always struck me as a guy who makes his living by being a really good route runner moreso than raw talent and speed like Jackson. He always seems to find the soft spots in zones, whereas Jackson's bread and butter is just running deep and under a ball
But yeah, I think Kolb is the starter by year's end next season. Vick's main weapons are his legs, the deep ball and the little screen to the super quick WRs. His short and mid accuracy is pretty shitty and his deep ball isn't exactly accurate either... he's best when he leads Jackson, not trying to drop it in.
You need a little more diversity in the playcalling to be effective in the long run. Look at Miami—their gimmick is starting to get figured out and now, without a real passer at the helm, they are one dimensional I think the absolute best option for the Eagles is to franchise Vick, and keep Kolb until the end of his contract there. That way, if Vick can't repeat, they have Kolb to take over. Personally, though, I'd like to see Kolb traded away to somewhere like Minnesota (he could make them a contender again), or Oakland... Denver (then again, they have Tebow! YEAH!), San Fran (you'd love that, huh?)... I think there are a lot of teams that could use a guy like Kolb, who seems to have the stuff needed to be a big time QB some day in the NFL. I think San Fran would be ideal for a guy like Kolb. He'd run a pretty similar style offense (well, what's supposed to be similar, Reid runs a really mutilated version of the west coast, supposedly), he'd have a good running game behind him, with a couple of young, potentially great WR's. SF is probably going to miss on any of the top QB's coming out, Mallet, Locker, etc, why not go for a guy like Kolb? That is, unless the team plans to tank the season to get Luck in the next season's draft. I'm not sure that anyone will know the answer to this, but does a player have to declare for the draft, and then not get drafted to join a team as a free agent? I'd imagine there's some sort of protocol in place for that. I think you do have to be undrafted to be signed as a free agent. Otherwise, wouldn't teams just try to sign players before the draft? I'd imagine that if a Junior who declared and didn't get drafted, he'd just go back to school (who knows, maybe after you declare you can't go play college ball again; you'd just have to finish your degree). If it was a Senior, he'd sign as a free agent or just move on with his life. Though maybe I'm wrong, because haven't a few number one picks already negotiated contracts before the draft? I'm pretty sure you have to declare for the draft or be finishing your senior year to sign as a free agent. I know that once you declare, you can't compete in NCAA games ever again, though you can definitely still finish your degree. Do you really think Philly will trade Kolb to an NFC team if they can help it? You would think that their first preference would be an AFC team (Cincinnati? Buffalo? Tennessee? Oakland I guess?) before they started thinking about teams like SF or Minnesota. Especially Minnesota because a non-crap QB turns them into a playoff contender again. They traded McNabb in-division. Granted, they must have seen that Washington was terrible, and that McNabb was at the end of his career, but there's no telling what will happen (especially not after McNabb had a good season), and they did it anyway. Funny quotes, Southlight, context would be appreciated though. I'm pretty sure they just knew something Washington didn't about McNabb (that he was completely washed up). Besides, Washington gave up a 2nd rounder for McNabb. I guess a NFC team overpaying badly would convince the Eagles to trade Kolb within the conference too.
What's overpaying badly? I think he's probably worth a first round pick, but nothing more really. Maybe a 2 and 3. If I were the GM in SF, I'd pull the trigger on a single first, or a 2 and 3.
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On January 11 2011 01:55 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 01:43 Qatol wrote:On January 11 2011 01:21 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On January 11 2011 01:13 Qatol wrote:On January 11 2011 00:50 Ferrose wrote:On January 11 2011 00:43 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On January 11 2011 00:28 Hawk wrote:
Maclin's really solid, but he always struck me as a guy who makes his living by being a really good route runner moreso than raw talent and speed like Jackson. He always seems to find the soft spots in zones, whereas Jackson's bread and butter is just running deep and under a ball
But yeah, I think Kolb is the starter by year's end next season. Vick's main weapons are his legs, the deep ball and the little screen to the super quick WRs. His short and mid accuracy is pretty shitty and his deep ball isn't exactly accurate either... he's best when he leads Jackson, not trying to drop it in.
You need a little more diversity in the playcalling to be effective in the long run. Look at Miami—their gimmick is starting to get figured out and now, without a real passer at the helm, they are one dimensional I think the absolute best option for the Eagles is to franchise Vick, and keep Kolb until the end of his contract there. That way, if Vick can't repeat, they have Kolb to take over. Personally, though, I'd like to see Kolb traded away to somewhere like Minnesota (he could make them a contender again), or Oakland... Denver (then again, they have Tebow! YEAH!), San Fran (you'd love that, huh?)... I think there are a lot of teams that could use a guy like Kolb, who seems to have the stuff needed to be a big time QB some day in the NFL. I think San Fran would be ideal for a guy like Kolb. He'd run a pretty similar style offense (well, what's supposed to be similar, Reid runs a really mutilated version of the west coast, supposedly), he'd have a good running game behind him, with a couple of young, potentially great WR's. SF is probably going to miss on any of the top QB's coming out, Mallet, Locker, etc, why not go for a guy like Kolb? That is, unless the team plans to tank the season to get Luck in the next season's draft. I'm not sure that anyone will know the answer to this, but does a player have to declare for the draft, and then not get drafted to join a team as a free agent? I'd imagine there's some sort of protocol in place for that. I think you do have to be undrafted to be signed as a free agent. Otherwise, wouldn't teams just try to sign players before the draft? I'd imagine that if a Junior who declared and didn't get drafted, he'd just go back to school (who knows, maybe after you declare you can't go play college ball again; you'd just have to finish your degree). If it was a Senior, he'd sign as a free agent or just move on with his life. Though maybe I'm wrong, because haven't a few number one picks already negotiated contracts before the draft? I'm pretty sure you have to declare for the draft or be finishing your senior year to sign as a free agent. I know that once you declare, you can't compete in NCAA games ever again, though you can definitely still finish your degree. Do you really think Philly will trade Kolb to an NFC team if they can help it? You would think that their first preference would be an AFC team (Cincinnati? Buffalo? Tennessee? Oakland I guess?) before they started thinking about teams like SF or Minnesota. Especially Minnesota because a non-crap QB turns them into a playoff contender again. They traded McNabb in-division. Granted, they must have seen that Washington was terrible, and that McNabb was at the end of his career, but there's no telling what will happen (especially not after McNabb had a good season), and they did it anyway. Funny quotes, Southlight, context would be appreciated though. I'm pretty sure they just knew something Washington didn't about McNabb (that he was completely washed up). Besides, Washington gave up a 2nd rounder for McNabb. I guess a NFC team overpaying badly would convince the Eagles to trade Kolb within the conference too. What's overpaying badly? I think he's probably worth a first round pick, but nothing more really. Maybe a 2 and 3. If I were the GM in SF, I'd pull the trigger on a single first, or a 2 and 3.
What has Kolb done to justify giving up a first rounder? I was thinking a 2nd would be generous for him. And the 7th overall pick from SF? Yeah, that seems like overpaying to me. Remember Cassel went for a high 2nd rounder. He was more proven than Kolb is right now.
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On January 10 2011 10:25 AbuSeif wrote:
Vick did fine, although he should have stopped the clock.
Eagles fans should appreciate Vick for taking them that far, and putting together a MVP season, which was also extremely entertaining.
GO VICK
I agree. I put the blame on Andy Reid for the ball not getting spiked on that play. He either called a pass or he called nothing. Vick and/or his receiver did make a mistake but tons of good players would make tons of mistakes if their coaches constantly put them in shitty positions. Perhaps Vick wanted to stop the clock but that isn't the time for him to disobey his HC
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On January 11 2011 02:04 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 01:55 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On January 11 2011 01:43 Qatol wrote:On January 11 2011 01:21 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On January 11 2011 01:13 Qatol wrote:On January 11 2011 00:50 Ferrose wrote:On January 11 2011 00:43 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On January 11 2011 00:28 Hawk wrote:
Maclin's really solid, but he always struck me as a guy who makes his living by being a really good route runner moreso than raw talent and speed like Jackson. He always seems to find the soft spots in zones, whereas Jackson's bread and butter is just running deep and under a ball
But yeah, I think Kolb is the starter by year's end next season. Vick's main weapons are his legs, the deep ball and the little screen to the super quick WRs. His short and mid accuracy is pretty shitty and his deep ball isn't exactly accurate either... he's best when he leads Jackson, not trying to drop it in.
You need a little more diversity in the playcalling to be effective in the long run. Look at Miami—their gimmick is starting to get figured out and now, without a real passer at the helm, they are one dimensional I think the absolute best option for the Eagles is to franchise Vick, and keep Kolb until the end of his contract there. That way, if Vick can't repeat, they have Kolb to take over. Personally, though, I'd like to see Kolb traded away to somewhere like Minnesota (he could make them a contender again), or Oakland... Denver (then again, they have Tebow! YEAH!), San Fran (you'd love that, huh?)... I think there are a lot of teams that could use a guy like Kolb, who seems to have the stuff needed to be a big time QB some day in the NFL. I think San Fran would be ideal for a guy like Kolb. He'd run a pretty similar style offense (well, what's supposed to be similar, Reid runs a really mutilated version of the west coast, supposedly), he'd have a good running game behind him, with a couple of young, potentially great WR's. SF is probably going to miss on any of the top QB's coming out, Mallet, Locker, etc, why not go for a guy like Kolb? That is, unless the team plans to tank the season to get Luck in the next season's draft. I'm not sure that anyone will know the answer to this, but does a player have to declare for the draft, and then not get drafted to join a team as a free agent? I'd imagine there's some sort of protocol in place for that. I think you do have to be undrafted to be signed as a free agent. Otherwise, wouldn't teams just try to sign players before the draft? I'd imagine that if a Junior who declared and didn't get drafted, he'd just go back to school (who knows, maybe after you declare you can't go play college ball again; you'd just have to finish your degree). If it was a Senior, he'd sign as a free agent or just move on with his life. Though maybe I'm wrong, because haven't a few number one picks already negotiated contracts before the draft? I'm pretty sure you have to declare for the draft or be finishing your senior year to sign as a free agent. I know that once you declare, you can't compete in NCAA games ever again, though you can definitely still finish your degree. Do you really think Philly will trade Kolb to an NFC team if they can help it? You would think that their first preference would be an AFC team (Cincinnati? Buffalo? Tennessee? Oakland I guess?) before they started thinking about teams like SF or Minnesota. Especially Minnesota because a non-crap QB turns them into a playoff contender again. They traded McNabb in-division. Granted, they must have seen that Washington was terrible, and that McNabb was at the end of his career, but there's no telling what will happen (especially not after McNabb had a good season), and they did it anyway. Funny quotes, Southlight, context would be appreciated though. I'm pretty sure they just knew something Washington didn't about McNabb (that he was completely washed up). Besides, Washington gave up a 2nd rounder for McNabb. I guess a NFC team overpaying badly would convince the Eagles to trade Kolb within the conference too. What's overpaying badly? I think he's probably worth a first round pick, but nothing more really. Maybe a 2 and 3. If I were the GM in SF, I'd pull the trigger on a single first, or a 2 and 3. What has Kolb done to justify giving up a first rounder? I was thinking a 2nd would be generous for him. And the 7th overall pick from SF? Yeah, that seems like overpaying to me. Remember Cassel went for a high 2nd rounder. He was more proven than Kolb is right now.
Oh wow, I forgot SF was such a high pick. I was thinking they were like 18-20, for some reason. I think that'd be almost reasonable to give up for Kolb. He's more proven than any guy coming from college that you're going to waste a first rounder on anyway.
On January 11 2011 02:21 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 10:25 AbuSeif wrote:
Vick did fine, although he should have stopped the clock.
Eagles fans should appreciate Vick for taking them that far, and putting together a MVP season, which was also extremely entertaining.
GO VICK I agree. I put the blame on Andy Reid for the ball not getting spiked on that play. He either called a pass or he called nothing. Vick and/or his receiver did make a mistake but tons of good players would make tons of mistakes if their coaches constantly put them in shitty positions. Perhaps Vick wanted to stop the clock but that isn't the time for him to disobey his HC
It wasn't a bad play, or idea, really. They were around the thirty with 40 seconds to go, and they had just made a big play against the Packers. The idea is that they have the Packer's D reeling, and possibly a bit tired, so you run a quick play, and catch them out of position. The throw was off, but it's the same kind of play they've killed teams with all year long. The difference is that Vick ran into a CB with some hops on him, and didn't put it up high enough.
There were a lot of things that went wrong that game, for the Eagles. Vick's INT will stand out, because it's the last play of the game, and he should have made a better throw, or thrown it out of the end zone, but there were so many things that they did wrong, you can't put it all on Vick. The drive before he brought them down, and should have had it within three, because he made a great toss to Celek, but Celek was dumb and stepped out of bounds. Akers missed two easy FG's early on in the game that would have had them up 23-21 after the Vick TD. Vick's mistake was the last in a long list of mistakes, so he gets more blame than the rest, but he shouldn't have been in that position.
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On January 11 2011 02:30 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
[Oh wow, I forgot SF was such a high pick. I was thinking they were like 18-20, for some reason. I think that'd be almost reasonable to give up for Kolb. He's more proven than any guy coming from college that you're going to waste a first rounder on anyway.
I think it would be pretty bad to go QB at 7 this year. There isn't a very highly regarded crop with Luck not coming out. I think Gabbert is the highest rated QB coming out now and he's regarded as a system product and not a pure talent. I'm not sold on Mallet and there's no way I want Cam Newton as my NFL quarterback. They may be able to justify to themselves trading 7 for Kolb, but personally, I don't see it as a wonderful investment.
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I looked at the Niners schedules from the last few years, and they're due to play the AFC North next year. We get a Harbaugh v Harbaugh matchup in year one! Sounds like a MNF/SNF matchup to me.
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