Evolution Championship Series 2010 - Page 5

On July 11 2010 09:06 jtbem wrote:
http://g4tv.com/evo is working

On July 11 2010 09:04 kzn wrote:


At most this addition gets you to the point of having multiple paths/branches that are equally optimal. A flowchart can still represent such a situation, and I wouldn't even grant that mindgames somehow stop there from being an optimal way of playing.

On July 11 2010 09:15 Ziemas wrote:
I love Juicebox so much.

On July 11 2010 09:12 travis wrote:
to claim that one could use a flowchart to learn to play optimally belittles one's ability to creatively "out-think" your opponent, which is a huge part of starcraft.

it's like saying you can use a flowchart to map out how to play poker optimally. no, no you can't.

you couldn't even make a flowchart to demonstrate it, because there are infinite levels to mind games, they are infinitely complex.

On July 11 2010 09:40 kzn wrote:


I'm pretty sure I never said you could use it to learn. I specifically said starcraft was in theory representable as a flowchart because that flowchart would be utterly ridiculous in size.



Uh, yes, you can? [edit] in theory [/edit] Mindgames are simply another game being played on top of whatever the game in question is. They are characterized, as always, by decisions made under conditions of uncertainty. Mindgames themselves can be represented as flowcharts - there is no reason mindgames will prevent a game they take place within from being represented similarly.



The only mindgames that are infinitely complex are variations of the "he knows that I know that he knows that I know..." series, and there is already an optimal way of playing such situations out.

On July 11 2010 10:34 Durak wrote:
I really don't know much about fighting games or sf4, but I always cheer against Rufus.