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Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-16 07:19:26
August 15 2014 07:11 GMT
#18101
RIP'd one jade doc today
have two full backup sets though i lost a lot of sheet stats

edit: lost a second jade doc after a 30 minute network outage while rifting sigh
on my last jade set now
SixStrings
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Germany2046 Posts
August 16 2014 10:02 GMT
#18102
Ripped my best equipped DH and my only char who could comfortably clear T1 Rifts.
Balls.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
August 17 2014 05:45 GMT
#18103
Tried PTR on my DH. M6 really is godly. Made it to 31, could've hit 32 or 33 if I had easier spawns/played better. This is before getting any legendary gems too, and no double unity(was basically getting one shot at 29+).

Just need to get better M6 pieces, and I could probably get somewhere in the 33-35 range.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
August 19 2014 11:54 GMT
#18104
I really hope they return infinite scaling gems to 2.1. Current system just needs a slight tweak to allow for infinite scaling gems. Maybe past 35, the minimum upgrade chance is 10% or something like that. 35 is hard enough to require near BiS gear and legendary gems for solo play, and easily hard enough to heavily discourage botting, while also retaining the infinite scaling.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-20 14:48:40
August 20 2014 02:44 GMT
#18105
I'm trying to get on for the first time in ~2 weeks and I'm getting an authentication error, 14001, related to my proxies or firewall or something. Literally never had this issue before and haven't touched any of my routing settings. Anyone having similar issues?

Edit: I'm also able to successfully log on / play with my laptop, but not my main PC. So it's a routing / proxy error, but it's isolated to only one computer on my network? lol gg......

Edit2: works fine this morning CRISIS AVERTED
Sek-Kuar
Profile Joined November 2010
Czech Republic593 Posts
August 22 2014 16:35 GMT
#18106
Is it just me or is Blizzard really trying to make us not fight at all?

Like M6 DH just casts sentries and then waits for everything to melt, Leapquake Barb just jumps on monsters and WoW Wizard just presses 1 button like madman and runs around enemies in circles.

In my eyes a lot of end game "combat" is just about running around monsters and waiting for them to die, rather than any kind of actual combat... I really dislike this trend.
Scientists finally discovered what's wrong with the female brain: On the left side, there is nothing right, and on the right side, there's nothing left. [http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/213948/1/DJVibrejtr/]
Valiver
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Caldeum1977 Posts
August 22 2014 20:08 GMT
#18107
Well those kinda of builds have been around forever. The WoW builds are very similar to WW/CM builds, and remember WotB/WW and TR builds? It was only running circles around enemies. I don't think there's any more or less builds like that than there ever have been.
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Sek-Kuar
Profile Joined November 2010
Czech Republic593 Posts
August 22 2014 20:59 GMT
#18108
On August 23 2014 05:08 Valiver wrote:
Well those kinda of builds have been around forever. The WoW builds are very similar to WW/CM builds, and remember WotB/WW and TR builds? It was only running circles around enemies. I don't think there's any more or less builds like that than there ever have been.


I dont think you understand what Im talking about. WotB/WW build was actually fighting, running around in circles isnt the important part of my point.

My point was that currently a lot of current endgame builds are just about casting X and then doing nothing, avoiding combat, waiting for mobs to die. Perma WotB or CM wizards never felt like that to me, those builds were about active engagement.

So I really cant agree that those builds were around forever. IMHO all are RoS lvl 70 specific.
Scientists finally discovered what's wrong with the female brain: On the left side, there is nothing right, and on the right side, there's nothing left. [http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/213948/1/DJVibrejtr/]
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
August 22 2014 22:59 GMT
#18109
blizzard did not create those builds; people did. so blizzard isnt forcing anyone, they are doing it themselves. if you dont like the builds, don't do the builds.
Sek-Kuar
Profile Joined November 2010
Czech Republic593 Posts
August 22 2014 23:16 GMT
#18110
On August 23 2014 07:59 dAPhREAk wrote:
blizzard did not create those builds; people did. so blizzard isnt forcing anyone, they are doing it themselves. if you dont like the builds, don't do the builds.


Well WoW wizard is strongest Wiz build on live, and so far it seems that 2.1 will be another massive buff to Explossive Blast, doubling current DPS (while others builds are going to have 50% buff at best). M6 was buffed too.

So while I can OFC agree that people are making these kind of builds, Blizzard is buffing them to be way supperior than everything else. Every Wiz build on current PTR deals barely 1/2 DPS of WoW EB. And WoW EB is like the dumbest Wiz build out there...

So dont tell me its just "player's choice". Blizzard is also making choices, and Im just asking why they are buffing builds like M6 & WoW so much more than everything else...
If they would buff builds not centered around rarest items, builds that acually promotes awarness and actual combat, targeting monsters etc. I would say no thing.
Scientists finally discovered what's wrong with the female brain: On the left side, there is nothing right, and on the right side, there's nothing left. [http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/213948/1/DJVibrejtr/]
SyNc`
Profile Joined August 2011
333 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-24 04:15:32
August 24 2014 04:06 GMT
#18111
On August 23 2014 08:16 Sek-Kuar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 07:59 dAPhREAk wrote:
blizzard did not create those builds; people did. so blizzard isnt forcing anyone, they are doing it themselves. if you dont like the builds, don't do the builds.


Well WoW wizard is strongest Wiz build on live, and so far it seems that 2.1 will be another massive buff to Explossive Blast, doubling current DPS (while others builds are going to have 50% buff at best). M6 was buffed too.

So while I can OFC agree that people are making these kind of builds, Blizzard is buffing them to be way supperior than everything else. Every Wiz build on current PTR deals barely 1/2 DPS of WoW EB. And WoW EB is like the dumbest Wiz build out there...

So dont tell me its just "player's choice". Blizzard is also making choices, and Im just asking why they are buffing builds like M6 & WoW so much more than everything else...
If they would buff builds not centered around rarest items, builds that acually promotes awarness and actual combat, targeting monsters etc. I would say no thing.


WoW wiz is not the strongest wiz build on live. WoW is the most overrated item in the game on live, and any wiz that thinks they'll magically be able to do t6 if they got one is wrong. The damage just isn't there with WoW. You'd have to run a mm conflag/EB/vyr's setup but even then the majority of your damage is coming from mm or archon, and not explosive blast. Its extremely strong on 2.1 though, and was ridiculous with the taeguk gem, but since gems got nerfed hard, the hydra build with serpent sparker outperforms it due to better survivability. Regular mm conflag + vyr's archon is probably the strongest build on live but it still doesn't allow wizards to do t6 efficiently.
Sek-Kuar
Profile Joined November 2010
Czech Republic593 Posts
August 24 2014 13:17 GMT
#18112
On August 24 2014 13:06 SyNc` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2014 08:16 Sek-Kuar wrote:
On August 23 2014 07:59 dAPhREAk wrote:
blizzard did not create those builds; people did. so blizzard isnt forcing anyone, they are doing it themselves. if you dont like the builds, don't do the builds.


Well WoW wizard is strongest Wiz build on live, and so far it seems that 2.1 will be another massive buff to Explossive Blast, doubling current DPS (while others builds are going to have 50% buff at best). M6 was buffed too.

So while I can OFC agree that people are making these kind of builds, Blizzard is buffing them to be way supperior than everything else. Every Wiz build on current PTR deals barely 1/2 DPS of WoW EB. And WoW EB is like the dumbest Wiz build out there...

So dont tell me its just "player's choice". Blizzard is also making choices, and Im just asking why they are buffing builds like M6 & WoW so much more than everything else...
If they would buff builds not centered around rarest items, builds that acually promotes awarness and actual combat, targeting monsters etc. I would say no thing.


WoW wiz is not the strongest wiz build on live. WoW is the most overrated item in the game on live, and any wiz that thinks they'll magically be able to do t6 if they got one is wrong. The damage just isn't there with WoW. You'd have to run a mm conflag/EB/vyr's setup but even then the majority of your damage is coming from mm or archon, and not explosive blast. Its extremely strong on 2.1 though, and was ridiculous with the taeguk gem, but since gems got nerfed hard, the hydra build with serpent sparker outperforms it due to better survivability. Regular mm conflag + vyr's archon is probably the strongest build on live but it still doesn't allow wizards to do t6 efficiently.


I dont agree.

Im in europe so my pings on PTR are around 200+ so I cant really test everything properly, but playing around with WoW in 2.1 you can go up to 4000% weapon dmg / sec. OFC while sacrificing some survivability, but not really all that much. You can for sure stay at 3000%+ weap DPS while maintaining most of other builds survivability (with more free slots for defensive stats).

AT, desintegrate and similar builds get nowhere near close to that dmg output. At best you get to 2000% weap DPS with maximum charge, with forced immobility and much lower kill rates.
Archon is like the only skill that received no buff (apart from CC), so now DMG in archon form is lower that with regular skills (unless you manage to stack decent kill count).
And MM conflag? Hard to say if it was buffed or nerfed, depends on situation I guess - buffed vs white mobs - but there is still no way one can get close to DMG of WoW builds even with how strong new hydra is.

I havent really tested MM conflag build on PTR due to my latency, but judging from skill stats I really cant imagine it getting much over 2500% weap DPS...
Scientists finally discovered what's wrong with the female brain: On the left side, there is nothing right, and on the right side, there's nothing left. [http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/213948/1/DJVibrejtr/]
SyNc`
Profile Joined August 2011
333 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-24 14:51:43
August 24 2014 14:44 GMT
#18113
On August 24 2014 22:17 Sek-Kuar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2014 13:06 SyNc` wrote:
On August 23 2014 08:16 Sek-Kuar wrote:
On August 23 2014 07:59 dAPhREAk wrote:
blizzard did not create those builds; people did. so blizzard isnt forcing anyone, they are doing it themselves. if you dont like the builds, don't do the builds.


Well WoW wizard is strongest Wiz build on live, and so far it seems that 2.1 will be another massive buff to Explossive Blast, doubling current DPS (while others builds are going to have 50% buff at best). M6 was buffed too.

So while I can OFC agree that people are making these kind of builds, Blizzard is buffing them to be way supperior than everything else. Every Wiz build on current PTR deals barely 1/2 DPS of WoW EB. And WoW EB is like the dumbest Wiz build out there...

So dont tell me its just "player's choice". Blizzard is also making choices, and Im just asking why they are buffing builds like M6 & WoW so much more than everything else...
If they would buff builds not centered around rarest items, builds that acually promotes awarness and actual combat, targeting monsters etc. I would say no thing.


WoW wiz is not the strongest wiz build on live. WoW is the most overrated item in the game on live, and any wiz that thinks they'll magically be able to do t6 if they got one is wrong. The damage just isn't there with WoW. You'd have to run a mm conflag/EB/vyr's setup but even then the majority of your damage is coming from mm or archon, and not explosive blast. Its extremely strong on 2.1 though, and was ridiculous with the taeguk gem, but since gems got nerfed hard, the hydra build with serpent sparker outperforms it due to better survivability. Regular mm conflag + vyr's archon is probably the strongest build on live but it still doesn't allow wizards to do t6 efficiently.


I dont agree.

Im in europe so my pings on PTR are around 200+ so I cant really test everything properly, but playing around with WoW in 2.1 you can go up to 4000% weapon dmg / sec. OFC while sacrificing some survivability, but not really all that much. You can for sure stay at 3000%+ weap DPS while maintaining most of other builds survivability (with more free slots for defensive stats).

AT, desintegrate and similar builds get nowhere near close to that dmg output. At best you get to 2000% weap DPS with maximum charge, with forced immobility and much lower kill rates.
Archon is like the only skill that received no buff (apart from CC), so now DMG in archon form is lower that with regular skills (unless you manage to stack decent kill count).
And MM conflag? Hard to say if it was buffed or nerfed, depends on situation I guess - buffed vs white mobs - but there is still no way one can get close to DMG of WoW builds even with how strong new hydra is.

I havent really tested MM conflag build on PTR due to my latency, but judging from skill stats I really cant imagine it getting much over 2500% weap DPS...


You're right about 2.1 but I was just saying how WoW is not that great on live. With the new 6p firebirds bonus it is extremely strong but I was just referring to your point about WoW wiz being the strongest live wizard build. I have a pretty good WoW but running the build just doesn't seem to do as much damage as mm conflag with archon (on live, not 2.1).
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
August 25 2014 08:59 GMT
#18114
So I guess I have to abandon my disintegrate build.

But I found this great moonlight ward... But.... TT
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
August 25 2014 09:59 GMT
#18115
So, in a nutshell, I join a Rift it Forward game for them killing the guardian, then just open a rift in that game and leave?
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
August 25 2014 11:38 GMT
#18116
More or less. It is appreciated if you can help a bit with killing the guardian, and it is only one of the three joiners that have to open a new rift. I haven't done it lately though, so culture may have changed.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-25 11:46:32
August 25 2014 11:46 GMT
#18117
Well I'm joining as a para 50 DH with only 500k damage, but I can still lay 5 sentries and hide in a corner with Bait The Trap, noone seems to mind
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
August 25 2014 17:50 GMT
#18118
On August 23 2014 07:59 dAPhREAk wrote:
blizzard did not create those builds; people did. so blizzard isnt forcing anyone, they are doing it themselves. if you dont like the builds, don't do the builds.


Blizzard pushed people into those builds by their monster design. The game's difficulty centers around affix spam and cc spam. Act 5 monsters have a full complement of stuns, knockbacks, charges and all sorts of crap going on.

Even on lower difficulty levels where death is not much of a threat, you will be cc'd so much that melee and channeling skills are a poor option. Your dps will just get interrupted so much. It just stands to reason that the most efficient forms of dps in such an environment are the summon pets + run around in circles and the dot everything + run around in circles builds. Any form of dps that can continue doing damage while you are frozen/chilled/slowed/feared/immobilized/stunned/charged/knocked back/knocked up/jailed/walled/frozen pulsed/thunderstormed/constantly running away from shit on ground will have higher effective dps even though your character sheet dps may suffer.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
August 25 2014 18:33 GMT
#18119
fuck, i just bought a new game to play yesterday.

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Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8159 Posts
August 25 2014 23:10 GMT
#18120
seasons won't start for a few days i heard
StrategyTaeJa #1 || @TL_Jer99 || "seeker seeked out his seeking"
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