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On July 06 2014 10:24 Cascade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2014 07:48 crms wrote:
so is the game worth playing right now or just wait for patch? I'm not sure if it's worthwhile to try and find more gear on my characters that won't be played with next update for ladders etc. Or am I completely wrong? Are you saying that it is not worth it to play your char now, because you will only play ladder after patch, and not use your current char? Can't you make the same argument to not play ladder at all, as the ladder will always reset at some point?
He probably hasn't played lately and is looking forward to ladder. If you're currently enjoying playing the game, then by all means have a blast playing your character until ladder hits, especially if you don't care about ladder.
However, for players like myself that haven't played in many weeks but are looking forward to ladder, there's no real reason to come back pre-patch and prep, etc.
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On July 07 2014 09:52 crms wrote:
Well once ladder is released, I'm likely to only play ladder if my d2/PoE experience holds true. I'm not sure it's worth putting anymore time into my current characters that are going to be sidelined for ladder. Though I'm really not that educated on what exactly ladder will be in d3, do we use our current characters for season 1? Or, do we make fresh lv1s and start the ladder grind? And to your point, yes, usually near the end of seasons if I didn't have any purposeful goal or desire to accomplish anything, the last week or so of ladder I would relax and wait for the next season. Maybe that's weird, I dunno!
When is the patch estimated to be released?
Yeah, it'll be from scratch. Like starting the game again except you know how to play and what's good.
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On July 07 2014 12:07 Dakkas wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 09:52 crms wrote:
Well once ladder is released, I'm likely to only play ladder if my d2/PoE experience holds true. I'm not sure it's worth putting anymore time into my current characters that are going to be sidelined for ladder. Though I'm really not that educated on what exactly ladder will be in d3, do we use our current characters for season 1? Or, do we make fresh lv1s and start the ladder grind? And to your point, yes, usually near the end of seasons if I didn't have any purposeful goal or desire to accomplish anything, the last week or so of ladder I would relax and wait for the next season. Maybe that's weird, I dunno!
When is the patch estimated to be released? Yeah, it'll be from scratch. Like starting the game again except you know how to play and what's good.
So you mean witch doctors? :D
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On July 07 2014 14:16 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 12:07 Dakkas wrote:On July 07 2014 09:52 crms wrote:
Well once ladder is released, I'm likely to only play ladder if my d2/PoE experience holds true. I'm not sure it's worth putting anymore time into my current characters that are going to be sidelined for ladder. Though I'm really not that educated on what exactly ladder will be in d3, do we use our current characters for season 1? Or, do we make fresh lv1s and start the ladder grind? And to your point, yes, usually near the end of seasons if I didn't have any purposeful goal or desire to accomplish anything, the last week or so of ladder I would relax and wait for the next season. Maybe that's weird, I dunno!
When is the patch estimated to be released? Yeah, it'll be from scratch. Like starting the game again except you know how to play and what's good. So you mean witch doctors? :D
Roll witch doctor>hit 70>find jeram>do T3>find SoJ>T4>tasker>T5/T6. Probably the fastest and most straightforward of all the classes to gear for endgame.
AI buff helps a ton too. Going from 2 hit average from garg to 10+ is amazing.
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On July 07 2014 14:51 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 14:16 wei2coolman wrote:On July 07 2014 12:07 Dakkas wrote:On July 07 2014 09:52 crms wrote:
Well once ladder is released, I'm likely to only play ladder if my d2/PoE experience holds true. I'm not sure it's worth putting anymore time into my current characters that are going to be sidelined for ladder. Though I'm really not that educated on what exactly ladder will be in d3, do we use our current characters for season 1? Or, do we make fresh lv1s and start the ladder grind? And to your point, yes, usually near the end of seasons if I didn't have any purposeful goal or desire to accomplish anything, the last week or so of ladder I would relax and wait for the next season. Maybe that's weird, I dunno!
When is the patch estimated to be released? Yeah, it'll be from scratch. Like starting the game again except you know how to play and what's good. So you mean witch doctors? :D Roll witch doctor>hit 70>find jeram>do T3>find SoJ>T4>tasker>T5/T6. Probably the fastest and most straightforward of all the classes to gear for endgame. AI buff helps a ton too. Going from 2 hit average from garg to 10+ is amazing.
Is there anything that's gunna out laddering WD in solo?
2.1 gunna be a lot of changes though
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On July 07 2014 16:10 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 14:51 Amui wrote:On July 07 2014 14:16 wei2coolman wrote:On July 07 2014 12:07 Dakkas wrote:On July 07 2014 09:52 crms wrote:
Well once ladder is released, I'm likely to only play ladder if my d2/PoE experience holds true. I'm not sure it's worth putting anymore time into my current characters that are going to be sidelined for ladder. Though I'm really not that educated on what exactly ladder will be in d3, do we use our current characters for season 1? Or, do we make fresh lv1s and start the ladder grind? And to your point, yes, usually near the end of seasons if I didn't have any purposeful goal or desire to accomplish anything, the last week or so of ladder I would relax and wait for the next season. Maybe that's weird, I dunno!
When is the patch estimated to be released? Yeah, it'll be from scratch. Like starting the game again except you know how to play and what's good. So you mean witch doctors? :D Roll witch doctor>hit 70>find jeram>do T3>find SoJ>T4>tasker>T5/T6. Probably the fastest and most straightforward of all the classes to gear for endgame. AI buff helps a ton too. Going from 2 hit average from garg to 10+ is amazing. Is there anything that's gunna out laddering WD in solo? 2.1 gunna be a lot of changes though
Wizard MIGHT be faster to get to low torment, but WD definitely outstrips it once you pick up a jeram.
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On July 07 2014 16:18 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 16:10 wei2coolman wrote:On July 07 2014 14:51 Amui wrote:On July 07 2014 14:16 wei2coolman wrote:On July 07 2014 12:07 Dakkas wrote:On July 07 2014 09:52 crms wrote:
Well once ladder is released, I'm likely to only play ladder if my d2/PoE experience holds true. I'm not sure it's worth putting anymore time into my current characters that are going to be sidelined for ladder. Though I'm really not that educated on what exactly ladder will be in d3, do we use our current characters for season 1? Or, do we make fresh lv1s and start the ladder grind? And to your point, yes, usually near the end of seasons if I didn't have any purposeful goal or desire to accomplish anything, the last week or so of ladder I would relax and wait for the next season. Maybe that's weird, I dunno!
When is the patch estimated to be released? Yeah, it'll be from scratch. Like starting the game again except you know how to play and what's good. So you mean witch doctors? :D Roll witch doctor>hit 70>find jeram>do T3>find SoJ>T4>tasker>T5/T6. Probably the fastest and most straightforward of all the classes to gear for endgame. AI buff helps a ton too. Going from 2 hit average from garg to 10+ is amazing. Is there anything that's gunna out laddering WD in solo? 2.1 gunna be a lot of changes though Wizard MIGHT be faster to get to low torment, but WD definitely outstrips it once you pick up a jeram.
Wizard maybe good til T2~ (haven't played most recent patch, but I heard not much changed), but WD will completely wreck it after that.
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On July 07 2014 16:20 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 16:18 Amui wrote:On July 07 2014 16:10 wei2coolman wrote:On July 07 2014 14:51 Amui wrote:On July 07 2014 14:16 wei2coolman wrote:On July 07 2014 12:07 Dakkas wrote:On July 07 2014 09:52 crms wrote:
Well once ladder is released, I'm likely to only play ladder if my d2/PoE experience holds true. I'm not sure it's worth putting anymore time into my current characters that are going to be sidelined for ladder. Though I'm really not that educated on what exactly ladder will be in d3, do we use our current characters for season 1? Or, do we make fresh lv1s and start the ladder grind? And to your point, yes, usually near the end of seasons if I didn't have any purposeful goal or desire to accomplish anything, the last week or so of ladder I would relax and wait for the next season. Maybe that's weird, I dunno!
When is the patch estimated to be released? Yeah, it'll be from scratch. Like starting the game again except you know how to play and what's good. So you mean witch doctors? :D Roll witch doctor>hit 70>find jeram>do T3>find SoJ>T4>tasker>T5/T6. Probably the fastest and most straightforward of all the classes to gear for endgame. AI buff helps a ton too. Going from 2 hit average from garg to 10+ is amazing. Is there anything that's gunna out laddering WD in solo? 2.1 gunna be a lot of changes though Wizard MIGHT be faster to get to low torment, but WD definitely outstrips it once you pick up a jeram. Wizard maybe good til T2~ (haven't played most recent patch, but I heard not much changed), but WD will completely wreck it after that.
The AI buff alone is like +50% dps to pet doctor so they might need slight adjustments, and jade is a good baseline for a very strong build. They'd probably just buff everybody up to where WD is though. Probably a helltooth build is going to become very viable once it's buffed.
Barb is most likely going to have a furious charge based build, leapquake, and probably that frenzy smiter+cota build is going to get buffed, which is honestly one of the neater barb builds. I hope they make windshear baseline on WW as well, that way if you want to double tornado, you can. More build variety is better for the game.
Monk is going to get some changes. Don't know what yet though aside from EP being redesigned. Maybe a spenderless generator focused build with depth diggers.
DH is probably going to get some builds added, because while turret defense is good, it's a rather boring build. Likely something added to nats, and maybe further buffs to shadow set.
crusader will get a crapton of new builds with the next patch, datamined has new items for basically any build your heart desires. Not sure if there will be a new set though, because akkhans is pretty much the definition of an endgame set, which is incredibly well rounded and versatile.
Wizard needs help. Hopefully arcane orb buff. Frozen orb is so fucking iconic, but it's only a good starter build, falls off drastically because of poor scaling. MM conflag is going to be absolutely insane with the new depth diggers. Hopefully gear supporting other builds gets added.
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On July 07 2014 16:18 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 16:10 wei2coolman wrote:On July 07 2014 14:51 Amui wrote:On July 07 2014 14:16 wei2coolman wrote:On July 07 2014 12:07 Dakkas wrote:On July 07 2014 09:52 crms wrote:
Well once ladder is released, I'm likely to only play ladder if my d2/PoE experience holds true. I'm not sure it's worth putting anymore time into my current characters that are going to be sidelined for ladder. Though I'm really not that educated on what exactly ladder will be in d3, do we use our current characters for season 1? Or, do we make fresh lv1s and start the ladder grind? And to your point, yes, usually near the end of seasons if I didn't have any purposeful goal or desire to accomplish anything, the last week or so of ladder I would relax and wait for the next season. Maybe that's weird, I dunno!
When is the patch estimated to be released? Yeah, it'll be from scratch. Like starting the game again except you know how to play and what's good. So you mean witch doctors? :D Roll witch doctor>hit 70>find jeram>do T3>find SoJ>T4>tasker>T5/T6. Probably the fastest and most straightforward of all the classes to gear for endgame. AI buff helps a ton too. Going from 2 hit average from garg to 10+ is amazing. Is there anything that's gunna out laddering WD in solo? 2.1 gunna be a lot of changes though Wizard MIGHT be faster to get to low torment, but WD definitely outstrips it once you pick up a jeram.
Isn't that the frozen orb build though? Problem is that once you hit the T2-T3 wall, you have to completely regear to fire.
edit: Talking about frozen orb on this page leads to banner ads about Frozen. Can I dress my wizard like Elsa?
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On July 08 2014 00:22 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 16:18 Amui wrote:On July 07 2014 16:10 wei2coolman wrote:On July 07 2014 14:51 Amui wrote:On July 07 2014 14:16 wei2coolman wrote:On July 07 2014 12:07 Dakkas wrote:On July 07 2014 09:52 crms wrote:
Well once ladder is released, I'm likely to only play ladder if my d2/PoE experience holds true. I'm not sure it's worth putting anymore time into my current characters that are going to be sidelined for ladder. Though I'm really not that educated on what exactly ladder will be in d3, do we use our current characters for season 1? Or, do we make fresh lv1s and start the ladder grind? And to your point, yes, usually near the end of seasons if I didn't have any purposeful goal or desire to accomplish anything, the last week or so of ladder I would relax and wait for the next season. Maybe that's weird, I dunno!
When is the patch estimated to be released? Yeah, it'll be from scratch. Like starting the game again except you know how to play and what's good. So you mean witch doctors? :D Roll witch doctor>hit 70>find jeram>do T3>find SoJ>T4>tasker>T5/T6. Probably the fastest and most straightforward of all the classes to gear for endgame. AI buff helps a ton too. Going from 2 hit average from garg to 10+ is amazing. Is there anything that's gunna out laddering WD in solo? 2.1 gunna be a lot of changes though Wizard MIGHT be faster to get to low torment, but WD definitely outstrips it once you pick up a jeram. Isn't that the frozen orb build though? Problem is that once you hit the T2-T3 wall, you have to completely regear to fire. edit: Talking about frozen orb on this page leads to banner ads about Frozen. Can I dress my wizard like Elsa?
Watch Blizzard make Diablo III f2p with custiom skins for microtransaction.
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there are already power rangers running around in the game. why not elsa?
edit: and captain america!
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
elsa pls.
the greater rift thing could be fixed by having map level debuffs like in PoE. randomized debilitating effects that penalize certain builds if you happen to roll them, so this way you preserve both progressive difficulty AND build diversity and randomized challenge.
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On July 08 2014 01:47 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 00:22 andrewlt wrote:On July 07 2014 16:18 Amui wrote:On July 07 2014 16:10 wei2coolman wrote:On July 07 2014 14:51 Amui wrote:On July 07 2014 14:16 wei2coolman wrote:On July 07 2014 12:07 Dakkas wrote:On July 07 2014 09:52 crms wrote:
Well once ladder is released, I'm likely to only play ladder if my d2/PoE experience holds true. I'm not sure it's worth putting anymore time into my current characters that are going to be sidelined for ladder. Though I'm really not that educated on what exactly ladder will be in d3, do we use our current characters for season 1? Or, do we make fresh lv1s and start the ladder grind? And to your point, yes, usually near the end of seasons if I didn't have any purposeful goal or desire to accomplish anything, the last week or so of ladder I would relax and wait for the next season. Maybe that's weird, I dunno!
When is the patch estimated to be released? Yeah, it'll be from scratch. Like starting the game again except you know how to play and what's good. So you mean witch doctors? :D Roll witch doctor>hit 70>find jeram>do T3>find SoJ>T4>tasker>T5/T6. Probably the fastest and most straightforward of all the classes to gear for endgame. AI buff helps a ton too. Going from 2 hit average from garg to 10+ is amazing. Is there anything that's gunna out laddering WD in solo? 2.1 gunna be a lot of changes though Wizard MIGHT be faster to get to low torment, but WD definitely outstrips it once you pick up a jeram. Isn't that the frozen orb build though? Problem is that once you hit the T2-T3 wall, you have to completely regear to fire. edit: Talking about frozen orb on this page leads to banner ads about Frozen. Can I dress my wizard like Elsa? Watch Blizzard make Diablo III f2p with custiom skins for microtransaction.
Give Blizzard some credit. They're one of the few developers that still adhere to the traditional Expansion packs instead of DLC.
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Next PTR build comes out tomorrow night. Changes TBA.
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new firebird's set in next patch apparently
There's some interesting ideas in here - thanks for sharing them! It's great to see the constructive discourse and reasoning behind these idea threads.
We are, indeed, redesigning the 6-Piece Set Bonus for Firebird's Finery. In this case, it's been completely redesigned, though we do want to keep Fire thematically appropriate to the set. We've removed the on-death qualifier from the set bonus, and dealing Fire damage will now cause enemies to start burning for the same amount of damage over 3 seconds, stacking up to a total of 3000% weapon damage as Fire per second. Once that cap is reached, enemies will instead burn until they die.
You'll be able to give this new set bonus a try in the next PTR patch, which we should be looking at arriving pretty soon. As always, be sure to let us know what you think when you give it a whirl!
http://www.diablofans.com/blizz-tracker/topic/55207-a-modest-6-piece-firebirds-proposal-to-fix-it
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http://www.diablofans.com/news/48135-new-2-1-ptr-build-datamined-changes
Datamined changes.
RIP zdps. Build of the past come 2.1
EP will probably still be necessary, but probably going to come from a different spec. With FoA, you'll deal more than an EQ's damage instantaneously, even if all you kill is a skeleton. Holy looks like it's going to be a pretty sick support spec in the future. Thankfully I have a fair amount of holy gear saved up. Napkin math is looking at 50m+ per detonation on whites, with 70m+ on elites. Cold can possibly do more than double that, which is nuts. On a lot of rift guardians that spawn adds, madstone+SSS is going to do like 500m-1B+ instantaneously, which is pretty insane.
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Caldeum1977 Posts
I got to say that I am disappointed with those legendary gems so far. I was really expecting some more build changing stuff. Most of it is just extra dmg, but in ways that don't just say x% more dmg. Stacking attack speed, primary spender dmg, spending resources increases dmg, killing elites increases dmg. Boring. I wanted to see massive life regen, using a potion reduces your cooldowns, chance on hit to gain a shrine effect, chance when you are hit to freeze the enemy or gain armor or something, dropping below like 5% resources gives you massive resource regen for 5 seconds, chance on being hit to be immune to all elite affixes for a short time, chance to reflect enemy spells back at them. I just came up with these off the top of my head, and surely blizzard can make things more exciting and fun than what they have so far.
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On July 10 2014 12:06 Valiver wrote:
I got to say that I am disappointed with those legendary gems so far. I was really expecting some more build changing stuff. Most of it is just extra dmg, but in ways that don't just say x% more dmg. Stacking attack speed, primary spender dmg, spending resources increases dmg, killing elites increases dmg. Boring. I wanted to see massive life regen, using a potion reduces your cooldowns, chance on hit to gain a shrine effect, chance when you are hit to freeze the enemy or gain armor or something, dropping below like 5% resources gives you massive resource regen for 5 seconds, chance on being hit to be immune to all elite affixes for a short time, chance to reflect enemy spells back at them. I just came up with these off the top of my head, and surely blizzard can make things more exciting and fun than what they have so far.
Most of the ones you suggested wouldn't be used, they're too situational and unreliable. At the end of the day, damage is king and most people want damage.
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Caldeum1977 Posts
Even if you have some situational gems that's not a bad thing though as long as there is a large amount to have lots of options. I just wished blizzard was going in some other direction with greater rifts and tried to make things actually take skill as well besides just trying to find ways like the furnace and EP to get higher.
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Regardless, my point still remains; damage is king. The only non-damage stat people seek is CDR, no-one would ever put a defensive gem in the coveted sockets. If they gave the option of defensive gems then people would (rightfully) complain why have gems 95% of players would never use.
Also skill in diablo? Diablo was never a skillful game. Blizzard have been asking for feedback on how to better Greater Rifts beyond just adding more numbers to damage and HP of monsters.
Lastly PTR. This is not the final iteration. They do make some stupid things but you're completely ignoring all the positives and fan-feedback they've incorporated.
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