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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 07 2014 00:57 GMT
#17401
Problem with low weapon drop rate. Is with starmetal, it's not inconceivable to get one where the dmg rating is like 1900.... If they're gonna make starmetal that rare. Each one picked has to be like really fucking good. With near flawless stat line. Cuz god forbid I pick up a starmetal that rolls the lowest possible dmg rating.... no one is gonna play another 7 months to look for a starmetal upgradre... that'd be so silly.


liftlift > tsm
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
May 07 2014 01:24 GMT
#17402
it'll be worse when they introduce more competitive elements into the game and make high torment more of a necessity with tiered rifts and stuff. the cries about drop rate for life changing items will blot out the sky
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
May 07 2014 03:03 GMT
#17403
I think a lot of the common legendaries and sets should be removed from the drop table and be made purchasable with Blood Shard. Maybe decrease the drop rates on remaining legendaries and sets to accommodate for this since the ones that do drop will likely be good.

wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-07 03:04:06
May 07 2014 03:03 GMT
#17404
@neo

told you zuni not really necessary for high level pet build.
liftlift > tsm
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-07 03:34:44
May 07 2014 03:23 GMT
#17405
On May 07 2014 12:03 wei2coolman wrote:
@neo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9VU4V7rlTo
told you zuni not really necessary for high level pet build.

What? You need to work a little on your comprehension. I never said you could only T6 as pet WD if you have Zuni's. I said Zuni's provides the most fetishes and help deal the most overall damage. With Zuni's Marrow, you have the potential of an additional 15% dmg to fetishes and that's a lot better than the Aughild armor he's running.

Because his fetishes die (and the max that he can have at a time is eight), he's reliant on Crimson 3p bonus, Tribal Rites, and ofc Starmetal. You could argue that the CDR in his build helps with his Wrathful Protector build but I'd just counter that he's diluting his damage by going both physical and fire. My point remains that if you're going for the maximally efficient pet WD build, you'd want Zuni 4p bonus, go pure Physical (no mix of fire) and add in Sycophants over Tribal Rites.

Edit: Also, if you look at his build (and video), the guy has no primary attack and completely reliant on his pets for DPS. His left and right clicks are cast-and-go spells. So in that case, why wouldn't he run Hexing Pants? It'd be the biggest DPS bump he could get but he can't because pant slot crashes with the Crimson pants he needs for the cooldown.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-07 03:58:44
May 07 2014 03:40 GMT
#17406
when you look at their stated design aim for high torment levels, the drop rate is absolutely fine. a few weeks MAX to be able to do t3.

but some people want to play higher torment despite it not being efficient, and that's where the main complain group comes from. being able to do t6 efficiently is like a godhood reward for the most dedicated players. i don't think it's a reasonable expectation to be able to get that build.

it's ok if you look at the drop rate and have no expectations going into iit
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Brockster
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany82 Posts
May 07 2014 16:40 GMT
#17407
On May 07 2014 12:23 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2014 12:03 wei2coolman wrote:
@neo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9VU4V7rlTo
told you zuni not really necessary for high level pet build.

What? You need to work a little on your comprehension. I never said you could only T6 as pet WD if you have Zuni's. I said Zuni's provides the most fetishes and help deal the most overall damage. With Zuni's Marrow, you have the potential of an additional 15% dmg to fetishes and that's a lot better than the Aughild armor he's running.

Because his fetishes die (and the max that he can have at a time is eight), he's reliant on Crimson 3p bonus, Tribal Rites, and ofc Starmetal. You could argue that the CDR in his build helps with his Wrathful Protector build but I'd just counter that he's diluting his damage by going both physical and fire. My point remains that if you're going for the maximally efficient pet WD build, you'd want Zuni 4p bonus, go pure Physical (no mix of fire) and add in Sycophants over Tribal Rites.

Edit: Also, if you look at his build (and video), the guy has no primary attack and completely reliant on his pets for DPS. His left and right clicks are cast-and-go spells. So in that case, why wouldn't he run Hexing Pants? It'd be the biggest DPS bump he could get but he can't because pant slot crashes with the Crimson pants he needs for the cooldown.


That is just not true. Starmetal + T&T allow you to have perma FA up anyway. In that case Zuni 4pc is just a waste because there are other BiS options especially for ring+mojo, namely SoJ and USerpent, both a huge boost to DPS and toughness. You still go pure Physical and add Syco, that much is true, but has nothing to do with 4pc Zuni.
Source: myself, running 4pc Zuni and crying my heart out for a Starmetal to push for T6 in Hardcore.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-07 19:06:36
May 07 2014 19:06 GMT
#17408
sycophant fetishes last for 60 seconds, which is basically forever. zuni bonus is better at lower difficulty where fetishes don't die
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Glacierz
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1245 Posts
May 07 2014 20:37 GMT
#17409
On May 08 2014 04:06 oneofthem wrote:
sycophant fetishes last for 60 seconds, which is basically forever. zuni bonus is better at lower difficulty where fetishes don't die

Does anyone know if the fetishes scale off your char in toughness too?
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
May 07 2014 20:51 GMT
#17410
On May 07 2014 07:29 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2014 07:12 LingsAreBunnies wrote:
the numbers are a lot more generous compared to D2,playing that game for 4-5 years and I dont think I saw more than 10 high runes drop, let alone specific ones for runewords. Im fairly sure the only reason I even got the high end gears in d2 was because of the huge amount of duping and botting that drove runes value down to socketed whites/gems. in terms of drops, the one problem I see with the current system for d3 is that once a character gets well geared, theres very little reason to keep playing on it since you cant use it to farm gears for your other characters.

Lets be real. There is no sub price for D3 so there is not a huge incentive for blizzard to provide this thing to do after you spend half a year gearing.
And mind you half a year of enjoyment isn't a bad deal for the price.


And they shouldn't provide it. It might be nice to replay Diablo 3 every once in a while down the road but the game shouldn't be designed for people to play everyday for years on end. I would rather have a concentrated fun experience then move on.

Even with getting busy recently, I'm probably at 150+ hours for the xpac and 700+ for the entire game. I got my money's worth.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-07 21:23:02
May 07 2014 21:21 GMT
#17411
On May 08 2014 01:40 Brockster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2014 12:23 NeoIllusions wrote:
On May 07 2014 12:03 wei2coolman wrote:
@neo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9VU4V7rlTo
told you zuni not really necessary for high level pet build.

What? You need to work a little on your comprehension. I never said you could only T6 as pet WD if you have Zuni's. I said Zuni's provides the most fetishes and help deal the most overall damage. With Zuni's Marrow, you have the potential of an additional 15% dmg to fetishes and that's a lot better than the Aughild armor he's running.

Because his fetishes die (and the max that he can have at a time is eight), he's reliant on Crimson 3p bonus, Tribal Rites, and ofc Starmetal. You could argue that the CDR in his build helps with his Wrathful Protector build but I'd just counter that he's diluting his damage by going both physical and fire. My point remains that if you're going for the maximally efficient pet WD build, you'd want Zuni 4p bonus, go pure Physical (no mix of fire) and add in Sycophants over Tribal Rites.

Edit: Also, if you look at his build (and video), the guy has no primary attack and completely reliant on his pets for DPS. His left and right clicks are cast-and-go spells. So in that case, why wouldn't he run Hexing Pants? It'd be the biggest DPS bump he could get but he can't because pant slot crashes with the Crimson pants he needs for the cooldown.


That is just not true. Starmetal + T&T allow you to have perma FA up anyway. In that case Zuni 4pc is just a waste because there are other BiS options especially for ring+mojo, namely SoJ and USerpent, both a huge boost to DPS and toughness. You still go pure Physical and add Syco, that much is true, but has nothing to do with 4pc Zuni.
Source: myself, running 4pc Zuni and crying my heart out for a Starmetal to push for T6 in Hardcore.

Naturally, you should be running Armor, Boots, Mojo. If you're HC, then I definitely see the merits of Serpent. But for those of us in scrubcore, Serpent is far from mandatory. Not to mention you have the flexibility for another crowd controlling spell like Grasp if you opt not to run Dogs. I fail to see significantly better items for Armor and Boots slots. Can't think of an armor better than Marrow. You could possibly wear Ice Climbers instead of Trail.

Mojo is the obvious exception. Something like String of Skulls might fall short compared to Thing of the Deep again I'd take Zuni 4p bonus over TotD's abilities.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
May 07 2014 23:30 GMT
#17412
THIS GAME WILL BE THE END OF ME
dats racist
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
May 08 2014 01:40 GMT
#17413
HOON PLAY WTH ME
WriterXiao8~~
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
May 08 2014 02:48 GMT
#17414
sent you pm
dats racist
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
May 08 2014 20:57 GMT
#17415
drop rates suck? fix this by bringing back the AH or trading. Personally, I had no problem with the AH, the issue was that it wasn't possible to progress in the game without the AH. The game in its current form is fine, because of the smart drop system. the AH just makes it easy and prevents scamming. They can always bring back regular trading and remove silly MMO concepts like binding on account or only allowing trading within the group within a time window which is just dumb.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
May 08 2014 21:45 GMT
#17416
what the AH would do is not to enable progress in the game but to affect your sense of progress in the game. before the silly MP level thing everyone would be able to do inferno fine, however, it would be hard for most players to feel a sense of progress because all of their drops are worthless on the AH.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
May 08 2014 22:20 GMT
#17417
i just wish they would bring back trading, even if it was limited and awful.

Im pretty sure a wizard would love to have my perfect rolled mirrorball, and i would love something usable in return
dats racist
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
May 08 2014 23:49 GMT
#17418
maybe something like bartering with items could work. one potential problem with a gold based AH at this stage is that a lot of people have billions of gold saved up. would probably not be fair for only a small minority to vastly control the market. the different amount of seed money would matter a ton.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
May 09 2014 00:58 GMT
#17419
I'd probably trade my Vyr's gloves/boots for a nice phat stack of 1000 Marquise topazes (not that I could afford to make the Royals, lol)
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
Valiver
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Caldeum1977 Posts
May 09 2014 17:32 GMT
#17420
If they allowed trading you could give people items for upgraded gems and trade gold that way.
Writer
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