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Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
May 09 2014 18:17 GMT
#17421
just make it so that people can only trade item vs item and that each trade costs both players gold according to the rarity of involved items. so if you as a wd get your wiz buddy's starmetal kurki and you give him your wand of woh in return, both have to pay a price of, say, 25 million gold to be able to perform this transaction. if you want to trade a monster hunter vs a sewer, the fee is say 1 million... and if you trade blackthornes, the system is granting you 10 million bonus XD"

just kidding, but the concept should be clear. this way, trading is possible if it really benefits your character, but there is no way to make profit with it and players cant make it the sole purpose of their d3 time to trade. it would also add a longterm goal to playing since you can now play your favorite and most well-geared char for the higher chance at trade-worthy legends which you then can trade to equip your alts.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
May 09 2014 19:18 GMT
#17422
I think the issue with trading in general (at least from Blizz's perspective), is that no matter what schemes you come up with to try and force equal value trades and such, people will always find a way to use real money transactions. People will just stash "high value" poor stat items to trade away as garbage to a guy selling them something really good.
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
May 09 2014 19:24 GMT
#17423
On May 10 2014 04:18 Duka08 wrote:
I think the issue with trading in general (at least from Blizz's perspective), is that no matter what schemes you come up with to try and force equal value trades and such, people will always find a way to use real money transactions. People will just stash "high value" poor stat items to trade away as garbage to a guy selling them something really good.

But why is that even a problem? E-peen issues? It's not like he is paying for you having no fun...
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
May 09 2014 19:26 GMT
#17424
On May 10 2014 04:18 Duka08 wrote:
I think the issue with trading in general (at least from Blizz's perspective), is that no matter what schemes you come up with to try and force equal value trades and such, people will always find a way to use real money transactions. People will just stash "high value" poor stat items to trade away as garbage to a guy selling them something really good.

well, if people force their luck by multiboxing, which requires 4 cd keys and thus 4 times the game price, blizz doesnt seem to have any objections...

"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-09 20:34:14
May 09 2014 20:33 GMT
#17425
On May 10 2014 04:24 Kaniol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2014 04:18 Duka08 wrote:
I think the issue with trading in general (at least from Blizz's perspective), is that no matter what schemes you come up with to try and force equal value trades and such, people will always find a way to use real money transactions. People will just stash "high value" poor stat items to trade away as garbage to a guy selling them something really good.

But why is that even a problem? E-peen issues? It's not like he is paying for you having no fun...

What? I meant Blizzard doesn't want people paying for items under the table, on forums and other services (like gold selling in WoW). No matter how you try to institute an in-game trade system where it forces the players to trade items of "equal value" (whatever that means IN GAME) there will always be a market for monetary exchange for items.

Not sure what I implied in the first post but it seems to have confused.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-09 20:55:31
May 09 2014 20:36 GMT
#17426
I couldn't care less about people abusing features outside of the game through black market trading or selling, literally couldn't care less. I don't see the justification for the majority of the player base to have neutered experience because X% minority are going to exploit. Seriously, who cares? Especially in a game like D3 where it's current iteration has literally 0 competitive features.


I was on top of the world when RoS launched, blinded by my own hype once again. I'm not saying RoS is a bad game, it certainly isn't. It's a good game, maybe even a great game and it's made tremendous strides over D3V but it's still not the diablo game *I* want. I don't feel cheated, or scammed or that I didn't get my monies worth, but I will definitely be playing less and less as the months go on. This is a bit sad for me because in my head, diablo is a game that doesn't ever really stop. It's a game that I envision playing forever (relatively speaking) in the same vain as I did diablo 2. I didn't play every ladder of d2, or login daily, but it's a game that you can pickup at any point, create a new build/character, trade, farm, pray to rng, pvp and stop at anytime knowing you can do something interesting the next time you decide to take your next journey.

D3ROS is the antithesis of the play style listed above. Essentially your only choice is to grind countless hours for lottery drops to make your character jump from the t1-3 tier, to the t4-6 tier. Grinding forever for damn near ZOD rune drop rates for the very, very few game changing legendaries is the only end game. Mindlessly praying that BiS gear eventually drops is all there is. Grinding hundreds of hours to find items that let you clear t6 rifts a couple minutes faster is literally, the entire end game. That isn't exciting, dynamic or very engaging to me.

Hopefully we get ladders, dynamic and varied seasons (ala PoE), new build changing legendaries, more community features, competition such as perhaps races, tiered rifts, pvp, and things I cannot even think of come out with the major content patch which could create the Diablo that "I" want but honestly, I'm not holding my breathe.

http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
May 09 2014 22:09 GMT
#17427
On May 10 2014 05:36 crms wrote:
I couldn't care less about people abusing features outside of the game through black market trading or selling, literally couldn't care less. I don't see the justification for the majority of the player base to have neutered experience because X% minority are going to exploit. Seriously, who cares? Especially in a game like D3 where it's current iteration has literally 0 competitive features.

Oh don't get me wrong, I agree. I'm just saying that's likely the culprit.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-09 22:23:30
May 09 2014 22:22 GMT
#17428
On May 10 2014 07:09 Duka08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2014 05:36 crms wrote:
I couldn't care less about people abusing features outside of the game through black market trading or selling, literally couldn't care less. I don't see the justification for the majority of the player base to have neutered experience because X% minority are going to exploit. Seriously, who cares? Especially in a game like D3 where it's current iteration has literally 0 competitive features.

Oh don't get me wrong, I agree. I'm just saying that's likely the culprit.

Yeah, I get what you were saying. I didn't mean to post as if I was attacking or arguing with you, sorry if it came off that way. <3

I'm just annoyed blizzard decided to take such a hardliner stance to stop 'black market' transactions even if it means making the game worse for the normal user. That seems backward to me. The rest of the post just ended up becoming a rant I decided to post out of nowhere lol.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
May 10 2014 05:01 GMT
#17429
On May 10 2014 05:33 Duka08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2014 04:24 Kaniol wrote:
On May 10 2014 04:18 Duka08 wrote:
I think the issue with trading in general (at least from Blizz's perspective), is that no matter what schemes you come up with to try and force equal value trades and such, people will always find a way to use real money transactions. People will just stash "high value" poor stat items to trade away as garbage to a guy selling them something really good.

But why is that even a problem? E-peen issues? It's not like he is paying for you having no fun...

What? I meant Blizzard doesn't want people paying for items under the table, on forums and other services (like gold selling in WoW). No matter how you try to institute an in-game trade system where it forces the players to trade items of "equal value" (whatever that means IN GAME) there will always be a market for monetary exchange for items.

Not sure what I implied in the first post but it seems to have confused.

I didn't mean literally "you", but any player at all actually (yeah, i have weird way of expressing thoughts)

Anyways i still think that shutting down AH was a bad move by Blizz, they were right from the very beginning about D3, but community decided they know better. Same with with complains about no stat allocation, i wonder if with paragon points allocation added there are still that many people who don't agree that stat points = unnecessary clicking because there will always be the best way of stat distribution and spending them on suboptimal things doesn't change your experience anyway.
SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
May 10 2014 09:58 GMT
#17430
I have a question: is there a way to level up fast? I started a new charachter and it's boring...should I join groups?
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21864 Posts
May 10 2014 09:59 GMT
#17431
On May 10 2014 18:58 SoSexy wrote:
I have a question: is there a way to level up fast? I started a new charachter and it's boring...should I join groups?

I leveled my last character Solo doing Bounties in adventure mode. Went pretty fast tho obviously getting powerleveled will be faster.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
May 10 2014 16:19 GMT
#17432
On May 10 2014 18:58 SoSexy wrote:
I have a question: is there a way to level up fast? I started a new charachter and it's boring...should I join groups?



Create a game on T6 in adventure mode and get a higher level buddy to clear hell rift. You can go 1-65 in < 1 hour doing that. Then do bounties by yourself for the rest. Shouldn't take too long.
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Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
May 10 2014 16:29 GMT
#17433
Can't you not do Adventure Mode until you finish the game once through?
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
May 10 2014 17:28 GMT
#17434
once i had a level 70 char, i would do rifts on whatver level i could do with clan mates. before i turned in rift reward after killing rift guardian, i switched to another char to recover the experience (~24-35M). in this way, i leveled all my chars to level 70 without actually playing them.

other people did the same thing.
aseq
Profile Joined January 2003
Netherlands3983 Posts
May 10 2014 17:57 GMT
#17435
On May 11 2014 01:19 Terranasaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2014 18:58 SoSexy wrote:
I have a question: is there a way to level up fast? I started a new charachter and it's boring...should I join groups?



Create a game on T6 in adventure mode and get a higher level buddy to clear hell rift. You can go 1-65 in < 1 hour doing that. Then do bounties by yourself for the rest. Shouldn't take too long.

Feels like we're back in 1999. I started a new char, still takes like an hour to only do the skeleton king and be level 11. Why don't they ever find a solution to this crap?
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
May 10 2014 18:02 GMT
#17436
On May 11 2014 02:57 aseq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2014 01:19 Terranasaur wrote:
On May 10 2014 18:58 SoSexy wrote:
I have a question: is there a way to level up fast? I started a new charachter and it's boring...should I join groups?



Create a game on T6 in adventure mode and get a higher level buddy to clear hell rift. You can go 1-65 in < 1 hour doing that. Then do bounties by yourself for the rest. Shouldn't take too long.

Feels like we're back in 1999. I started a new char, still takes like an hour to only do the skeleton king and be level 11. Why don't they ever find a solution to this crap?

it takes you an hour to kill the skeleton king?
Vorenius
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Denmark1979 Posts
May 10 2014 18:04 GMT
#17437
On May 11 2014 02:57 aseq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2014 01:19 Terranasaur wrote:
On May 10 2014 18:58 SoSexy wrote:
I have a question: is there a way to level up fast? I started a new charachter and it's boring...should I join groups?



Create a game on T6 in adventure mode and get a higher level buddy to clear hell rift. You can go 1-65 in < 1 hour doing that. Then do bounties by yourself for the rest. Shouldn't take too long.

Feels like we're back in 1999. I started a new char, still takes like an hour to only do the skeleton king and be level 11. Why don't they ever find a solution to this crap?

Find a weapon with a socket and chug a ruby in that mofo. You'll be oneshotting everything up to Torment1 at least untill level 30. Then just dial down the dificulty as you level. There is no reason to not at least play on hard.

I started a new WD recently, and after one playthrough in about 8 hours I was level 62. Then some bounties and rifts for a bit and you're 70.
aseq
Profile Joined January 2003
Netherlands3983 Posts
May 10 2014 18:23 GMT
#17438
On May 11 2014 03:04 Vorenius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2014 02:57 aseq wrote:
On May 11 2014 01:19 Terranasaur wrote:
On May 10 2014 18:58 SoSexy wrote:
I have a question: is there a way to level up fast? I started a new charachter and it's boring...should I join groups?



Create a game on T6 in adventure mode and get a higher level buddy to clear hell rift. You can go 1-65 in < 1 hour doing that. Then do bounties by yourself for the rest. Shouldn't take too long.

Feels like we're back in 1999. I started a new char, still takes like an hour to only do the skeleton king and be level 11. Why don't they ever find a solution to this crap?

Find a weapon with a socket and chug a ruby in that mofo. You'll be oneshotting everything up to Torment1 at least untill level 30. Then just dial down the dificulty as you level. There is no reason to not at least play on hard.

I started a new WD recently, and after one playthrough in about 8 hours I was level 62. Then some bounties and rifts for a bit and you're 70.

But is that solo? And without any stuff from other chars? And hardcore? Cause that's me now
Vorenius
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Denmark1979 Posts
May 10 2014 20:55 GMT
#17439
On May 11 2014 03:23 aseq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2014 03:04 Vorenius wrote:
On May 11 2014 02:57 aseq wrote:
On May 11 2014 01:19 Terranasaur wrote:
On May 10 2014 18:58 SoSexy wrote:
I have a question: is there a way to level up fast? I started a new charachter and it's boring...should I join groups?



Create a game on T6 in adventure mode and get a higher level buddy to clear hell rift. You can go 1-65 in < 1 hour doing that. Then do bounties by yourself for the rest. Shouldn't take too long.

Feels like we're back in 1999. I started a new char, still takes like an hour to only do the skeleton king and be level 11. Why don't they ever find a solution to this crap?

Find a weapon with a socket and chug a ruby in that mofo. You'll be oneshotting everything up to Torment1 at least untill level 30. Then just dial down the dificulty as you level. There is no reason to not at least play on hard.

I started a new WD recently, and after one playthrough in about 8 hours I was level 62. Then some bounties and rifts for a bit and you're 70.

But is that solo? And without any stuff from other chars? And hardcore? Cause that's me now

No that was assuming you have access to RoS gems in weapon and hat. Your first char is gonna take more time to level, but I think that's natural.
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
May 10 2014 21:16 GMT
#17440
On May 11 2014 02:57 aseq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2014 01:19 Terranasaur wrote:
On May 10 2014 18:58 SoSexy wrote:
I have a question: is there a way to level up fast? I started a new charachter and it's boring...should I join groups?



Create a game on T6 in adventure mode and get a higher level buddy to clear hell rift. You can go 1-65 in < 1 hour doing that. Then do bounties by yourself for the rest. Shouldn't take too long.

Feels like we're back in 1999. I started a new char, still takes like an hour to only do the skeleton king and be level 11. Why don't they ever find a solution to this crap?


solution to what exactly?
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