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DODswe4
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden2157 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-19 16:58:18
March 19 2014 16:30 GMT
#16301
with a 142k wizard you can blaze torment 1 as well really. but if you skip every withe mob on normal it might be better. dont really know, havent run normal so dont know how easy bosses and such die
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
March 19 2014 16:56 GMT
#16302
On March 19 2014 23:26 Thezzy wrote:
Hmm, so what would be the faster way to get legendaries?
The higher drop chance of Torment or blazing my way through Normal?
I have the Hallowed Defender set and Demon armor (the one with fire res+) set at my Blacksmith and I'm a bit short on Fiery Brimstones to create them all.

My highest DPS char is my Wizard with 142k DPS so I'm not sure if Torment or Normal would be better.
Or would Expert/Master be a faster mid-way point?

core of arreat runs are considered the fastest way to get legends. the rule of thumb now is the higher torment you can go the best, but most high level streamers do it at torment 3. i think normal is a waste of time.
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
March 19 2014 18:22 GMT
#16303
I'll probably be reinstalling the game pretty soon here. I got like a level 40 something demon hunter if I remember left on my account from before I quit but I was wondering about the other characters.

Is there a "good" character that most people have decided to play/is a good character to gear farm with now? Like how in D2 they had the Sorceress as the first character most people usually made because of her ease of use, farming quickness, and high dps. Also in that game, all characters had a chance to be awesome, but you generally saw less characters like druids, assassins, and (maybe) amazons than the others. Do people usually see one character being less useful than the others in D3?
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Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
March 19 2014 18:24 GMT
#16304
On March 20 2014 03:22 Epishade wrote:
I'll probably be reinstalling the game pretty soon here. I got like a level 40 something demon hunter if I remember left on my account from before I quit but I was wondering about the other characters.

Is there a "good" character that most people have decided to play/is a good character to gear farm with now? Like how in D2 they had the Sorceress as the first character most people usually made because of her ease of use, farming quickness, and high dps. Also in that game, all characters had a chance to be awesome, but you generally saw less characters like druids, assassins, and (maybe) amazons than the others. Do people usually see one character being less useful than the others in D3?



I think Wizards are probably the best right now. Barbs probably the worst. DH's have always been pretty good.

But I don't think its anywhere near as big a gap as it was in D2.
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Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
March 19 2014 19:04 GMT
#16305
On March 20 2014 03:24 Terranasaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 03:22 Epishade wrote:
I'll probably be reinstalling the game pretty soon here. I got like a level 40 something demon hunter if I remember left on my account from before I quit but I was wondering about the other characters.

Is there a "good" character that most people have decided to play/is a good character to gear farm with now? Like how in D2 they had the Sorceress as the first character most people usually made because of her ease of use, farming quickness, and high dps. Also in that game, all characters had a chance to be awesome, but you generally saw less characters like druids, assassins, and (maybe) amazons than the others. Do people usually see one character being less useful than the others in D3?



I think Wizards are probably the best right now. Barbs probably the worst. DH's have always been pretty good.

But I don't think its anywhere near as big a gap as it was in D2.

Agreed with this. I've spent some time with all 5 in the last weeks and wizard has felt strongest and barb seems fucking abysmal.
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
March 19 2014 19:10 GMT
#16306
And yet the few times I've played all I see are Barbs (followed by Wizards).

I think Barbs got nerfed pretty hard, but they still seem pretty competent compared to other classes. At least they aren't bad enough that every Barb is rerolling.

Still not seeing a lot of Witch Docs or Monks (other than myself) for probably the same reason (although Monks definitely play *much* slower than before dps wise, movement has been much improved at least).
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
March 19 2014 19:17 GMT
#16307
if you're doing solo, i find wizard is the best (i have tried wizard, witch doctor, barb).

if you're doing group, i think two wiz/DH plus a pull monk and hota barb is a damn good group.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
March 19 2014 20:42 GMT
#16308
On March 20 2014 01:56 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 23:26 Thezzy wrote:
Hmm, so what would be the faster way to get legendaries?
The higher drop chance of Torment or blazing my way through Normal?
I have the Hallowed Defender set and Demon armor (the one with fire res+) set at my Blacksmith and I'm a bit short on Fiery Brimstones to create them all.

My highest DPS char is my Wizard with 142k DPS so I'm not sure if Torment or Normal would be better.
Or would Expert/Master be a faster mid-way point?

core of arreat runs are considered the fastest way to get legends. the rule of thumb now is the higher torment you can go the best, but most high level streamers do it at torment 3. i think normal is a waste of time.

further info from blizzard

Quality of Items
An items quality is unaffected by difficulty. For example, a level 60 Nailbiter found in Normal has the exact same potential as a level 60 Nailbiter found in Torment VI.
The Drop Chance of a Legendary Item
Normal through Master receive bonuses to experience and gold, but no bonus to the drop chance for a Legendary item.
There is a bonus to the drop chance for a Legendary item starting at Torment I difficulty, and this bonus increases with difficulty. For example, Torment VI has a greater bonus to the chance a Legendary item drops than Torment I does.
There are certain Legendary items that only drop in Torment I - VI.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/12091349617?page=5#89
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-19 20:46:42
March 19 2014 20:45 GMT
#16309
I think Wizard is the most efficient right now, but I don't agree that barb's are bad. My barb has modest gear and I absolutely crush runs on T3/T4. HOTA smash shit up. I still play my wizard more though, mostly because it's more fresh and new.
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Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
March 19 2014 22:30 GMT
#16310
On March 20 2014 05:45 crms wrote:
I think Wizard is the most efficient right now, but I don't agree that barb's are bad. My barb has modest gear and I absolutely crush runs on T3/T4. HOTA smash shit up. I still play my wizard more though, mostly because it's more fresh and new.

how do people build wizards now?
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
March 19 2014 22:44 GMT
#16311
On March 20 2014 07:30 Frolossus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 05:45 crms wrote:
I think Wizard is the most efficient right now, but I don't agree that barb's are bad. My barb has modest gear and I absolutely crush runs on T3/T4. HOTA smash shit up. I still play my wizard more though, mostly because it's more fresh and new.

how do people build wizards now?

generally speaking, frozen orb or arcane torment. I have gear sets for both builds and while arcane torment is probably more fun, my frozen orb build is much easier to play and probably more efficient for farming.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-20 02:53:24
March 20 2014 02:52 GMT
#16312
On March 20 2014 07:44 crms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 07:30 Frolossus wrote:
On March 20 2014 05:45 crms wrote:
I think Wizard is the most efficient right now, but I don't agree that barb's are bad. My barb has modest gear and I absolutely crush runs on T3/T4. HOTA smash shit up. I still play my wizard more though, mostly because it's more fresh and new.

how do people build wizards now?

generally speaking, frozen orb or arcane torment. I have gear sets for both builds and while arcane torment is probably more fun, my frozen orb build is much easier to play and probably more efficient for farming.

imho the strongest possible build is a pure disintegrate build with a -5 cost reduction legacy soj + some apoc. i can keep it up pretty much constantly and with chaso nexus, i do 6xx% weapon damage to a single targe; for over 30 seconds before i run out of arcane power. here is my profile: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/BlackXistenZ-2929/hero/10728055
im at 403k buffed dps... with a soj.
so yeah, this build rocks T6, but obviously it isnt viable without that legacy soj...

what i dont like about FO is that its single target dps is actually quite shitty. it is the best skill in the whole game for clearing spread out trash mobs though... but still... you pretty much have to have a signature spell and at least one resource related passive when using FO. so compared to a disintegrate or arcane torrent build, you lose one active and one passive skillslot.
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Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
March 20 2014 09:01 GMT
#16313
So I've started playing again after a few month break and holy shit the drops are insane lol !
I started a wizard in hardcore in Hard and all I get are int and vit items. Only played a couple of hours and got 4-5 legendaries. . They really buffed the drop rate^^
karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
March 20 2014 13:06 GMT
#16314
The trade off is that compared to D2, it's not as easy to farm for gear for other classes with your "best" farmer because of the smart loot. If you want loot for one of your other characters it's probably more efficient to just play that class even if they can't handle higher difficulties.

Rumsford Gate is a pretty good farming run if you want something different from core runs:





The wretched mother's have a very high chance of dropping loot, there are several possible purple mobs, and you get quest xp, and if you want to skip elites on higher difficulties to make runs faster, they are easy to avoid.
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
March 20 2014 14:52 GMT
#16315
On March 20 2014 07:44 crms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 07:30 Frolossus wrote:
On March 20 2014 05:45 crms wrote:
I think Wizard is the most efficient right now, but I don't agree that barb's are bad. My barb has modest gear and I absolutely crush runs on T3/T4. HOTA smash shit up. I still play my wizard more though, mostly because it's more fresh and new.

how do people build wizards now?

generally speaking, frozen orb or arcane torment. I have gear sets for both builds and while arcane torment is probably more fun, my frozen orb build is much easier to play and probably more efficient for farming.


I'm playing a meteor swarm build because I got cindercoat, magefist and the legendary bracers I got rolled with +fire damage%. I've been trying to farm something to get a frozen orb build but so far have been unlucky with drops.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-20 15:22:31
March 20 2014 15:21 GMT
#16316
On March 20 2014 23:52 andrewlt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 07:44 crms wrote:
On March 20 2014 07:30 Frolossus wrote:
On March 20 2014 05:45 crms wrote:
I think Wizard is the most efficient right now, but I don't agree that barb's are bad. My barb has modest gear and I absolutely crush runs on T3/T4. HOTA smash shit up. I still play my wizard more though, mostly because it's more fresh and new.

how do people build wizards now?

generally speaking, frozen orb or arcane torment. I have gear sets for both builds and while arcane torment is probably more fun, my frozen orb build is much easier to play and probably more efficient for farming.


I'm playing a meteor swarm build because I got cindercoat, magefist and the legendary bracers I got rolled with +fire damage%. I've been trying to farm something to get a frozen orb build but so far have been unlucky with drops.

I have a fire set as well unfortunately the magefists I found were on barb.. I actually think the meteor/fire build I was doing was the most fun out of the arcane/frozen builds, it just didn't seem as practical or efficient. You can do a ton of DPS with fire builds though, it's pretty dang fun. Frozen Orb is just so mindlessly easy and safe so when I get lazy I always go back lol.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6331 Posts
March 20 2014 17:23 GMT
#16317
Oh if anyone here is playing on the Asian server and is looking for a clan, I took the liberty and set up a Team Liquid clan.
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andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
March 20 2014 19:19 GMT
#16318
On March 21 2014 00:21 crms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 23:52 andrewlt wrote:
On March 20 2014 07:44 crms wrote:
On March 20 2014 07:30 Frolossus wrote:
On March 20 2014 05:45 crms wrote:
I think Wizard is the most efficient right now, but I don't agree that barb's are bad. My barb has modest gear and I absolutely crush runs on T3/T4. HOTA smash shit up. I still play my wizard more though, mostly because it's more fresh and new.

how do people build wizards now?

generally speaking, frozen orb or arcane torment. I have gear sets for both builds and while arcane torment is probably more fun, my frozen orb build is much easier to play and probably more efficient for farming.


I'm playing a meteor swarm build because I got cindercoat, magefist and the legendary bracers I got rolled with +fire damage%. I've been trying to farm something to get a frozen orb build but so far have been unlucky with drops.

I have a fire set as well unfortunately the magefists I found were on barb.. I actually think the meteor/fire build I was doing was the most fun out of the arcane/frozen builds, it just didn't seem as practical or efficient. You can do a ton of DPS with fire builds though, it's pretty dang fun. Frozen Orb is just so mindlessly easy and safe so when I get lazy I always go back lol.


The delay and the randomness of the meteor swarm promotes moving up to a higher torment level compared to a frozen orb build. Frozen orb looks efficient at lower torment levels since I can just run and spray the whole screen. Meteor swarm makes me have to stand in place and kinda tank some mobs while waiting for the meteors to land. Cindercoat's -25% casting cost for fire spells helps with the spam.
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
March 20 2014 19:52 GMT
#16319
On March 21 2014 02:23 digmouse wrote:
Oh if anyone here is playing on the Asian server and is looking for a clan, I took the liberty and set up a Team Liquid clan.

I'm already in a clan
I did make a teamliquid community tho, any players in SEA pls feel free to join it.
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MacSyndicate
Profile Joined April 2013
United States3 Posts
March 20 2014 21:28 GMT
#16320
On March 20 2014 11:52 Black Gun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 07:44 crms wrote:
On March 20 2014 07:30 Frolossus wrote:
On March 20 2014 05:45 crms wrote:
I think Wizard is the most efficient right now, but I don't agree that barb's are bad. My barb has modest gear and I absolutely crush runs on T3/T4. HOTA smash shit up. I still play my wizard more though, mostly because it's more fresh and new.

how do people build wizards now?

generally speaking, frozen orb or arcane torment. I have gear sets for both builds and while arcane torment is probably more fun, my frozen orb build is much easier to play and probably more efficient for farming.

imho the strongest possible build is a pure disintegrate build with a -5 cost reduction legacy soj + some apoc. i can keep it up pretty much constantly and with chaso nexus, i do 6xx% weapon damage to a single targe; for over 30 seconds before i run out of arcane power. here is my profile: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/BlackXistenZ-2929/hero/10728055
im at 403k buffed dps... with a soj.
so yeah, this build rocks T6, but obviously it isnt viable without that legacy soj...

what i dont like about FO is that its single target dps is actually quite shitty. it is the best skill in the whole game for clearing spread out trash mobs though... but still... you pretty much have to have a signature spell and at least one resource related passive when using FO. so compared to a disintegrate or arcane torrent build, you lose one active and one passive skillslot.


You could've just bought a legacy stormcrow as well. The orb procs are good and life on hit streams well. +10 arcane power on crit.
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