• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:44
CEST 15:44
KST 22:44
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners6Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21
Community News
Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28)8[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June4Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th156Weekly Cups (May 18-24): MaxPax wins doubles0
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? High level ptr replays? where can I find them? Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection
Tourneys
Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) GSL Code S Season 2 (2026)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed Mutation # 528 Infection Detected Welcome to the External Content forum
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ? [BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June The Korean Terminology Thread
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals [BSL22] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CEST Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread PC Games Sales Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Summer Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Canadian Politics Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Cricket [SPORT] TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Does Workplace Frustration D…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8556 users

Diablo III General Discussion - Page 755

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 753 754 755 756 757 1109 Next
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
December 13 2012 02:53 GMT
#15081
So.....I basically quit right before the massive "Paragon" patch. I'm considering just playing again out of habit and love for the Diablo franchise. Can anyone clue me in on the biggest "changes" since then, and is it worth playing?

I have an 80 Barb (full tank, still failed act3) and 80 DH which can farm act3 pre-paragon patch.
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
December 13 2012 03:16 GMT
#15082
- Paragon levels: there are 100 paragon levels after lvl 60, each gicing you +3MF, +3GF (so +300%MF and GF at level 100, which takes a looot of time to reach).
- Inferno is nerfed a lot. ezpz now.
- Items buffed. specially uniques that are BiS in most slots now, and jewelry that got max values for some important mods upped.
- prices always go down as usual: you will be able to get much better gear for cheap.
- monster power: essentially same as "/players 8" in d2. You can control how strong the mosters are, and you get a little more XP, GF and MF for the trouble. Almost always best to farm at the lower (often even lowest) MP, though.
- Infernal machine: you can collect keys (from keywardens) to build a machine that takes you to a special event (ubers) that may give you pieces that you can make a ring out of. You need higher MP to find the keys and pieces, so need a strong guy for this.

Defenitely worth anorther try imo.
RCMDVA
Profile Joined July 2011
United States708 Posts
December 13 2012 04:39 GMT
#15083

I can't say enough good things about d3up.com and the analyzing tool to go with it from d3bit.com.

I just downloaded d3bit and was using it on the AH... messing around found a cheap amulet that took my WW Barb from 54k to 62k paperdoll DPS.

It eliminates all the guesswork from buying upgrades off the ah.
Samba
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany452 Posts
December 13 2012 06:09 GMT
#15084
On December 13 2012 01:26 dpurple wrote:
1/14 now, cant wait for the time when Im gonna get 13/14. Im sure it will happen.

Edit: 1/15, really, fuk this game.


HA, i can still beat this!
In the first weeks after 1.0.5 hit, i did 16 Ubers in a row on MP 5 (few MP6) without a single organ drop.
Boy, can you imagine the rage?
RIP Geoff “iNcontroL" Robinson, September 11, 1985 - July 20, 2019
kafkaesque
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Germany2006 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-13 07:52:36
December 13 2012 07:51 GMT
#15085
On December 13 2012 11:53 Slardar wrote:
So.....I basically quit right before the massive "Paragon" patch. I'm considering just playing again out of habit and love for the Diablo franchise. Can anyone clue me in on the biggest "changes" since then, and is it worth playing?

I have an 80 Barb (full tank, still failed act3) and 80 DH which can farm act3 pre-paragon patch.


It is slightly less repititive. Instead of doing Act 3 over and over, you'll do Act 3 over and over while sometimes meandering through Act 1 and 2 to get keys.
| (• ◡•)|╯ ╰(❍ᴥ❍ʋ)
Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
December 13 2012 13:39 GMT
#15086
On December 13 2012 11:53 Slardar wrote:
So.....I basically quit right before the massive "Paragon" patch. I'm considering just playing again out of habit and love for the Diablo franchise. Can anyone clue me in on the biggest "changes" since then, and is it worth playing?

I have an 80 Barb (full tank, still failed act3) and 80 DH which can farm act3 pre-paragon patch.



Drop rate for legendaries buffed, introduction of Monster Power setting, skill changes (DH got nice survivability boost with perfectionnist).

But yeah main thing would be Paragon lvl's coupled with monster power giving you a bigger challenge and better loots

Oh yeah and doing act 1 or 2 on mp 1 or higher gives you same loots (63 rolls on items) as act 3 and 4. So even though everybody still farms act 3 because its the most "efficient", if you just want to have FUN well you can really do all acts and get nice loots.

Oh yeah almost forgot infernal machine with Uber Bosses and a nice ring
Look a giraffe! Look a fist!!
Burrfoot
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States1176 Posts
December 13 2012 13:46 GMT
#15087
I hope someday they let people put Hellfire items (keys and organs) on the AH. Would essentially be a gold sink but helps everyone. Because finding people to do hellfire farming isn't going to get easier as people quit/take a break/etc.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Davlok-1847/career
dartoo
Profile Joined May 2010
India2889 Posts
December 13 2012 14:43 GMT
#15088
On December 13 2012 22:46 Burrfoot wrote:
I hope someday they let people put Hellfire items (keys and organs) on the AH. Would essentially be a gold sink but helps everyone. Because finding people to do hellfire farming isn't going to get easier as people quit/take a break/etc.



Or maybe sell the rings for a price....and once the number of rings sold reaches a number.....uber diablo spawns!


Only problem is....what would uber diablo give you? Seeing as they are opposed to charms....
bruteMax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada339 Posts
December 13 2012 15:02 GMT
#15089
Just let hellfire rings salvage into brimstones and then make brimstones useful for something.
I'm the benevolent dictator you've been looking for.
klaxen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States361 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-13 20:14:01
December 13 2012 17:38 GMT
#15090
*nvm, found someone
high master protoss - low master zerg
klaxen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States361 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-13 20:14:07
December 13 2012 17:40 GMT
#15091
high master protoss - low master zerg
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
December 13 2012 21:07 GMT
#15092
Logged on....did a Butcher run for fun. Got 15k after selling all blues/rares for my effort. Meh! Economy looks completely nuked.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
December 13 2012 21:11 GMT
#15093
On December 14 2012 06:07 Slardar wrote:
Logged on....did a Butcher run for fun. Got 15k after selling all blues/rares for my effort. Meh! Economy looks completely nuked.

i actually like the way the economy is at the moment. the AH is flooded with items, so low to mid end items are cheap. you can beat the entire game easily with less than 500,000. now, if you want to perfect your character, all the high end items are expensive, but gradually getting cheaper as more are found/bought. its where it should be. i say this even though i cant afford anything, lol.
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
December 13 2012 21:15 GMT
#15094
Ah I see.......wow less than 500k geez. I have 6.1 Million or something. I'll probably invest all of that into my 60 barbarian, and start playing after tomorrow see how it goes. Or I can give you a hand if you want dAPhREak.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
December 13 2012 21:21 GMT
#15095
On December 14 2012 06:15 Slardar wrote:
Ah I see.......wow less than 500k geez. I have 6.1 Million or something. I'll probably invest all of that into my 60 barbarian, and start playing after tomorrow see how it goes. Or I can give you a hand if you want dAPhREak.

thanks. i actually have around 70M. i meant i cant afford anything that would be an upgrade or BIS. i am saving up 100M before i even look for something as an upgrade. you'll find out really fast that you can make a pretty amazing character without a lot of money. which is great for new (or returning) players.
Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
December 13 2012 21:21 GMT
#15096
On December 14 2012 06:15 Slardar wrote:
Ah I see.......wow less than 500k geez. I have 6.1 Million or something. I'll probably invest all of that into my 60 barbarian, and start playing after tomorrow see how it goes. Or I can give you a hand if you want dAPhREak.


500k *invested wisely*

Make sure you know exactly what to look for for each piece or you'll spend a lot of money buying gear and then rebuying gear.
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
Eschaton
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1245 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-13 21:54:09
December 13 2012 21:42 GMT
#15097
On December 14 2012 00:02 bruteMax wrote:
Just let hellfire rings salvage into brimstones and then make brimstones useful for something.


Or at least salvage into something useful. ie collect enough X to open uber uber portal, guaranteed to drop leg.

i actually like the way the economy is at the moment. the AH is flooded with items, so low to mid end items are cheap. you can beat the entire game easily with less than 500,000. now, if you want to perfect your character, all the high end items are expensive, but gradually getting cheaper as more are found/bought. its where it should be. i say this even though i cant afford anything, lol.


The difference between now and early days of D3 is that the mid to upper-mid quality items are accessible to pretty much anyone if you put in even a casual amount of time, so that it's possible to play around with nearly any build you want to and have fun with it. GG items are still expensive, >>100m, but if that weren't so what would we shoot for other than 100 paragon levels. I've only put in ~50 hrs in 1.05, and my overall gold worth has gone from 50m to probably 10x that, and I'm getting "free" HotS. Farming A1 or A2 pre 1.05 had almost a zero rate of return for me, but now it is possible to progress in a reasonable amount of time to a place where you feel that your toon is "good," but there is still clearly a huge gap between players like myself and those who are wearing items worth >2b each. D3 is still D3, but upward mobility is now much more attainable.
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3813 Posts
December 13 2012 22:02 GMT
#15098
On December 14 2012 06:42 Eschaton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 00:02 bruteMax wrote:
Just let hellfire rings salvage into brimstones and then make brimstones useful for something.


Or at least salvage into something useful. ie collect enough X to open uber uber portal, guaranteed to drop leg.

Show nested quote +
i actually like the way the economy is at the moment. the AH is flooded with items, so low to mid end items are cheap. you can beat the entire game easily with less than 500,000. now, if you want to perfect your character, all the high end items are expensive, but gradually getting cheaper as more are found/bought. its where it should be. i say this even though i cant afford anything, lol.


The difference between now and early days of D3 is that the mid to upper-mid quality items are accessible to pretty much anyone if you put in even a casual amount of time, so that it's possible to play around with nearly any build you want to and have fun with it. GG items are still expensive, >>100m, but if that weren't so what would we shoot for other than 100 paragon levels. I've only put in ~50 hrs in 1.05, and my overall gold worth has gone from 50m to probably 10x that, and I'm getting "free" HotS. Farming A1 or A2 pre 1.05 had almost a zero rate of return for me, but now it is possible to progress in a reasonable amount of time to a place where you feel that your toon is "good," but there is still clearly a huge gap between players like myself and those who are wearing items worth >2b each. D3 is still D3, but upward mobility is now much more attainable.


Bold is what I really needed pre 1.05. I am enjoying the game so much more now.
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
December 13 2012 22:08 GMT
#15099
On December 14 2012 07:02 Grovbolle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 06:42 Eschaton wrote:
On December 14 2012 00:02 bruteMax wrote:
Just let hellfire rings salvage into brimstones and then make brimstones useful for something.


Or at least salvage into something useful. ie collect enough X to open uber uber portal, guaranteed to drop leg.

i actually like the way the economy is at the moment. the AH is flooded with items, so low to mid end items are cheap. you can beat the entire game easily with less than 500,000. now, if you want to perfect your character, all the high end items are expensive, but gradually getting cheaper as more are found/bought. its where it should be. i say this even though i cant afford anything, lol.


The difference between now and early days of D3 is that the mid to upper-mid quality items are accessible to pretty much anyone if you put in even a casual amount of time, so that it's possible to play around with nearly any build you want to and have fun with it. GG items are still expensive, >>100m, but if that weren't so what would we shoot for other than 100 paragon levels. I've only put in ~50 hrs in 1.05, and my overall gold worth has gone from 50m to probably 10x that, and I'm getting "free" HotS. Farming A1 or A2 pre 1.05 had almost a zero rate of return for me, but now it is possible to progress in a reasonable amount of time to a place where you feel that your toon is "good," but there is still clearly a huge gap between players like myself and those who are wearing items worth >2b each. D3 is still D3, but upward mobility is now much more attainable.


Bold is what I really needed pre 1.05. I am enjoying the game so much more now.


Same here, plus I like that I am quite easily at a level where there is worthwhile content I can clear very fast (0-1 MP runs), but other content that is challenging while still being rewarding (ubers, high MP key farming, etc.).
Logo
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-13 22:38:32
December 13 2012 22:37 GMT
#15100
Ya, the upward mobility thing was a huge draw for me. Gave me a real sense of incremental improvement.

After I beat Diablo 3; I played on a pretty tight budget and very slowly bumped my toon up to where I could slowly farm A3 pre-patch. Then the MP / Uber patch came out and I had a new goal; climbing the monster levels. Was at MP 2/3 when patch hit; now I'm at MP 7 (for A1 and 3, for some reason A2 snake guys own me hard on MP 6...). Climbing MP levels wasn't just cheaper it was more gradual too. Also made farming easier; as I could always find a level where I wasn't constantly dying and still getting decent drops. Unlike before where it was A3 or bust.

Unfortunately, I'm at the point where upgrades have a tangible real money cost to them (reinforced by my finally finding something I could sell on the RMAH). So my motivation to improve has gone down again (that and WoW...).
Prev 1 753 754 755 756 757 1109 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 16m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Harstem 615
SHIN 140
BRAT_OK 109
MindelVK 30
Vindicta 30
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 62198
firebathero 6350
Calm 5718
Sea 2737
Shuttle 1048
EffOrt 730
Light 566
Mini 536
Mong 262
actioN 231
[ Show more ]
ggaemo 199
Last 133
Pusan 126
Hyun 116
JYJ 83
hero 74
Sharp 55
Sea.KH 53
HiyA 41
Nal_rA 34
Aegong 34
ToSsGirL 31
Killer 27
910 26
Sacsri 23
Noble 20
sorry 19
GoRush 16
Movie 16
Rock 14
IntoTheRainbow 10
Icarus 5
zelot 5
Dota 2
qojqva2110
Dendi1546
XcaliburYe303
Counter-Strike
fl0m6681
kRYSTAL_28
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King136
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor294
Other Games
singsing2269
B2W.Neo458
DeMusliM394
Fuzer 138
KnowMe72
ArmadaUGS50
Organizations
StarCraft 2
angryscii 37
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 11
Other Games
BasetradeTV9
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH249
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis4253
Upcoming Events
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1h 16m
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
5h 16m
Jaystar vs Dewalt
eOnzErG vs TerrOr
XuanXuan vs Bonyth
Mihu vs Dewalt
Messiah vs Jaystar
eOnzErG vs Bonyth
TerrOr vs Dewalt
Wardi Open
21h 16m
OSC
1d 10h
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
OSC
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
6 days
XuanXuan vs Jaystar
Mihu vs Messiah
eOnzErG vs Dewalt
Bonyth vs Jaystar
TerrOr vs Messiah
XuanXuan vs Mihu
eOnzErG vs Jaystar
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - GSB
2026 GSL S2
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Murky Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #2
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1

Upcoming

CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Douyu Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.