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wooozy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3813 Posts
November 02 2012 19:02 GMT
#14701
yeah i pretty much always focus ghom first even on mp8

i've actually never seen any enrages except siege's and all he did was an insanely weak dot like the old elite enrage
ArC_man
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States2798 Posts
November 02 2012 19:03 GMT
#14702
On November 03 2012 03:44 Samba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2012 03:29 ArC_man wrote:
On November 02 2012 21:19 unkkz wrote:
How is the damage of the ubers? About to do a few runs soon on mp2 or mp3 in hardcore and their dmg is all that worries me. I am a DH with about 1,2mil EHP and 100k unbuffed dps, will run with two WD's and a barb so my EHP will rise to 1,4mil maybe. Especially worried about the reflect on siegebreaker and the dmg output of kulle and rakanoth. I got like 52% crit so i can keep gloom up 24/7 though. Also the teleport blow of skeleton king, that's gotta sting right?

Anyone that can shed some light on their dmg output?

1.2 million EHP is a ton, you'll definitely have no problems taking the damage in such a low MP. Just to give you an idea, I have about 800k EHP on my barb and I can do mp10 ubers with no problem (but barbs take 30% less damage, op!). Surviving ubers is an issue more of sustain than EHP but since you're DH and you can constantly gloom you shouldn't have any problems with sustain. With 100k dps unbuffed I don't think you'll have a problem in MP2 or 3 but it's probably safer to start lower (not knowing the stats of the others in your party).

When fighting SK, his most dangerous "attack" is when he laughs and slowly walks forward. If you're in melee range it will hurt more than any of his other attacks, SK's teleport attacks aren't a problem in terms of damage. Against Kulle/Siege, it's key to focus down Kulle first (if he enrages you will 100% die). The fight is only dangerous if Siege grabs you while Kulle is next to him so it's preferable to separate them if possible (usually we have the barb lead Siege away while the other 3 kill Kulle). If you can't separate them, remember that Kulle's bubble is on the same cooldown as Siege's grab so you can use the bubble as a timing to know when the grab is coming. Against Ghom/Rakanoth, it will be tempting to focus Ghom first but Rakanoth needs to be killed first before his enrage.


Really?! We always focus down Ghom first on MP4, because it´s so much easier wthout the gas and those little blobb-thingies from him. When does he enrage?

I'm not sure what the exact timing of the enrage is, I think maybe 7 minutes(?). If you were doing a MP level where your group's damage isn't high enough to kill both within that time window you'd need to choose one target to kill first.
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
November 02 2012 19:25 GMT
#14703
On November 01 2012 04:31 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 04:16 Burrfoot wrote:
On November 01 2012 03:52 Amui wrote:
I'm actually more interested in the DPS scaling relative to unbuffed DPS though.


Some of the D3 fansites have links to a DH with 3.1m effective dps & Barb with 2.6m dps where they straight up solo Az @ MP10 in under a minute and calculate their actual dps using the kill time. I'm sure whatever class can get the fastest kill will be the next one nerfed so lets hope Monks don't get it! XD


Found the video of the 3.1 million dps barb, he has ~161k with no buffs on. The DH has ~16-17x scaling. I'd say monks are quite safe from the nerf bat considering that barb in particular has ~18-19x damage scaling. I don't think it'd be possible for monks to exceed about 10x scaling anyways.

I don't think it's the damage in particular that needs to be toned down, Good gear should allow you to kill faster and faster. I'd rather they just buff/nerf until all the classes get 12-18x scaling with a variety of builds(gear dependant).


There are a pair of monks on US that pulled ~3M dps against Ghom.

Not sure about the scaling since they refuse to show their gear (some misguided attempt to hide things from getting nerfed I guess, at least that's been Morionics m.o. in the past). I believe they're both around 220k dps? So the scaling is still worse than the other classes.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7004013159 (The title says 2.2Mil, but the benchmarks are updated in the thread - also for the life of me I can't understand what they're talking about re: build differences, it has to be a gear thing since their specs are the same other than passives maybe).

Also, is it cheating if they use a Stone of Jordan to get a 30% buff?
Samba
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany452 Posts
November 02 2012 20:23 GMT
#14704
Quick question: Is it no longer possible to powerlevel? Friend of mine just made a new char, but he can´t invite my lvl 60 char and can´t join my game either.
RIP Geoff “iNcontroL" Robinson, September 11, 1985 - July 20, 2019
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
November 02 2012 20:45 GMT
#14705
On November 03 2012 00:07 LaiShin wrote:
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On November 02 2012 06:34 BluzMan wrote:
Also, what are the typical pitfalls of in-game trade? I've only used the AH so far, are there any special tricks to know when trading directly? Like amethyst-socketed "Tal'Rashas" from D2 etc?


Main ones I've seen are:

-buyer constantly changes figure in trade window
-seller swapping item right before u press accept

Just need to keep in mind that everyone is a scammer unless proven otherwise.


Wait what??? In D2 the accept button wasn't active for like 5 seconds after ANY changes to the trading window were made by either player. Did they seriously not do the same in D3?
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
November 02 2012 21:03 GMT
#14706
On November 03 2012 05:45 BluzMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2012 00:07 LaiShin wrote:
On November 02 2012 06:34 BluzMan wrote:
Also, what are the typical pitfalls of in-game trade? I've only used the AH so far, are there any special tricks to know when trading directly? Like amethyst-socketed "Tal'Rashas" from D2 etc?


Main ones I've seen are:

-buyer constantly changes figure in trade window
-seller swapping item right before u press accept

Just need to keep in mind that everyone is a scammer unless proven otherwise.


Wait what??? In D2 the accept button wasn't active for like 5 seconds after ANY changes to the trading window were made by either player. Did they seriously not do the same in D3?


There is a delay now but it wasn't always like that in D3. It's a lot harder to get scammed now.
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
DODswe4
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden2157 Posts
November 03 2012 00:18 GMT
#14707
On November 03 2012 05:23 Samba wrote:
Quick question: Is it no longer possible to powerlevel? Friend of mine just made a new char, but he can´t invite my lvl 60 char and can´t join my game either.


you can boost, if he the full game not just the starting edition.
Burrfoot
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States1176 Posts
November 03 2012 01:32 GMT
#14708
So is anyone else feeling sad that now even green drops are disappointing? In one run I got calamity, nat's chest, won kim, and another tal rasha peice... and they all were worth a combined 200k... IF they could even sell. -_-
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Davlok-1847/career
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
November 03 2012 02:20 GMT
#14709
It's what people want. "QQ I haven't found any greens/browns in 10 weeks blizz please increase the droprates" now you get more of 'em, but it's still like it was before, only the top 10% or something sell for hundreds of millions. Horrible ones just flood the AH.
"Start yo" -FlaSh
dartoo
Profile Joined May 2010
India2889 Posts
November 03 2012 02:44 GMT
#14710
On November 03 2012 10:32 Burrfoot wrote:
So is anyone else feeling sad that now even green drops are disappointing? In one run I got calamity, nat's chest, won kim, and another tal rasha peice... and they all were worth a combined 200k... IF they could even sell. -_-


no not really, It's actually fun to play the game and not the auction house with the current drop rates.
Burrfoot
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States1176 Posts
November 03 2012 02:54 GMT
#14711
Hehe, I bet there will be an unidentified Legendary/Set market soon enough! I know you can tell exactly what legendary it is from the graphic (cept maybe rings/amulets I guess) but that is part of the fun!
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Davlok-1847/career
Samba
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany452 Posts
November 03 2012 03:00 GMT
#14712
On November 03 2012 09:18 DODswe4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2012 05:23 Samba wrote:
Quick question: Is it no longer possible to powerlevel? Friend of mine just made a new char, but he can´t invite my lvl 60 char and can´t join my game either.


you can boost, if he the full game not just the starting edition.



Yeah, he hadn´t activated his game properly. Thx.

On November 03 2012 10:32 Burrfoot wrote:
So is anyone else feeling sad that now even green drops are disappointing? In one run I got calamity, nat's chest, won kim, and another tal rasha peice... and they all were worth a combined 200k... IF they could even sell. -_-


I get the feeling that you pretty much only can sell BiS items nowadays...only thing i sold in few weeks was a vileward, got some really nice rares, but nothing...
RIP Geoff “iNcontroL" Robinson, September 11, 1985 - July 20, 2019
FHC Nex
Profile Joined July 2011
Bulgaria44 Posts
November 03 2012 13:50 GMT
#14713
I am trying to figure out my actual crit chance. Im currently rolling with 45% crit (according to my character window), but IIRC this is against enemies that are the same level (60). What's the actual critical chance against lvl63 creatures (and what is the 'level' of bosses / uber's)?
Tried to google, didn't find anything.

Regards!
"It seems that whenever a Terran wins its because "Terran OP" not because the player played well. "Terran OP" has been around since beta and its became an excuse for losses"
Goshawk.
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United Kingdom5338 Posts
November 03 2012 14:32 GMT
#14714
Why would your crit chance change against different levels of monsters? O_o
TheMooseHeed
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom535 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-03 15:27:46
November 03 2012 15:05 GMT
#14715
On November 03 2012 23:32 Goshawk. wrote:
Why would your crit chance change against different levels of monsters? O_o

Yeah it doesnt :D

Is it worth getting a soj with 30% dte for fighting ubers? I lose quite a bit of dps but it should be worth it to do 30% more damage

asdfasdlf;ajhsdfajksdfhasdasdasa just vendored my depth diggers TT o_O
''Swarm hosts are the worst thing in the world, I mean terrorism is pretty bad but swarmhosts are worse'' IdrA on ZvZ
LaiShin
Profile Joined November 2005
Australia978 Posts
November 03 2012 15:35 GMT
#14716
Yes soj is worth it especially if u're planning to do alot of key farming and ubers. This is assuming that your gear is already pretty decent.
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3813 Posts
November 03 2012 15:43 GMT
#14717
On November 03 2012 11:44 dartoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2012 10:32 Burrfoot wrote:
So is anyone else feeling sad that now even green drops are disappointing? In one run I got calamity, nat's chest, won kim, and another tal rasha peice... and they all were worth a combined 200k... IF they could even sell. -_-


no not really, It's actually fun to play the game and not the auction house with the current drop rates.


Agreed
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
KiWiKaKi
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada691 Posts
November 03 2012 16:31 GMT
#14718
we want pvp
ur pro or ur noob , thats life
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3813 Posts
November 03 2012 18:39 GMT
#14719
On November 03 2012 05:23 Samba wrote:
Quick question: Is it no longer possible to powerlevel? Friend of mine just made a new char, but he can´t invite my lvl 60 char and can´t join my game either.


Were you on a difficulty he hadn't unlocked?

30 plus killed Diablo on normal unlocks nightmare
50 plus killed Diablo on nightmare unlocks hell
60 plus killed Diablo on hell unlocks inferno.

If he was inviting you, was it your level 60 HC or were you already in a party? Perhaps you have invites disabled in options or something like that.... Not sure but stuff can be disabled in options which could be why.
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
FHC Nex
Profile Joined July 2011
Bulgaria44 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-03 20:07:34
November 03 2012 20:07 GMT
#14720
On November 04 2012 00:05 TheMooseHeed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2012 23:32 Goshawk. wrote:
Why would your crit chance change against different levels of monsters? O_o

Yeah it doesnt :D

Is it worth getting a soj with 30% dte for fighting ubers? I lose quite a bit of dps but it should be worth it to do 30% more damage

asdfasdlf;ajhsdfajksdfhasdasdasa just vendored my depth diggers TT o_O


Well in *other games* (... WoW - not that I play or like it) it does. The general idea is that the stats that you see are for creatures of your level and higher level npc's hit you harder / resist your hits or whatever.

For example the damage inflicted on us is determined by the enemy NPC. I think it influences the resists (and thats why it was so much harder in act 3 in comparison to act 2).


Anyway, good to know that my crit is intact :D
"It seems that whenever a Terran wins its because "Terran OP" not because the player played well. "Terran OP" has been around since beta and its became an excuse for losses"
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