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On October 31 2012 07:18 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 07:15 TheMooseHeed wrote:
Well I am trying to gather some people but having no luck TT
May just farm some more keys and try tomorrow
Do I need 5 stacks or no? you need 5 stacks to get the demon parts, yes. i will be on in about 4 hours or so. i can help then. my friends may be on and they can tank. http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/dAPhREAk-1843/hero/3929813
Thanks for the offer but I forgot to mention I am EU 
Ok so my 160k archon got raped on mp3 against kulle combo 
Not good
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On October 31 2012 07:20 TheMooseHeed wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 07:18 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 31 2012 07:15 TheMooseHeed wrote:
Well I am trying to gather some people but having no luck TT
May just farm some more keys and try tomorrow
Do I need 5 stacks or no? you need 5 stacks to get the demon parts, yes. i will be on in about 4 hours or so. i can help then. my friends may be on and they can tank. http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/dAPhREAk-1843/hero/3929813 Thanks for the offer but I forgot to mention I am EU Ok so my 160k archon got raped on mp3 against kulle combo Not good
160k should be enough to kill them of while kiting, are you 160k in archon or before?
easiest way to clear it is the get a tank thou (monk or barb)
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Try Force Armor, it's pretty good defensively. You might also want to reconsider using Teleport if you can't kite effectively and save Familiar for group runs.
Disclaimer: not a Wizard, just observing the CM wizard I run with.
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I got bored and decided to play around with theasiangamer's damage calculator.
Highest theoretical unbuffed DPS achievable by a melee(dual wielding) is somewhere around 460k.
2-hand (perfect skorn) is around 425k so it's pretty much a wash as to which one is better relatively speaking, it's a lot easier to get a near perfect skorn than 2 near perfect 1-h, one of which has to be a near perfect EF.
Highest DH unbuffed is roughly 550k(perfect manti+deadmans legacy)
Wizard is ~530k (perfect triumvirate)
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On October 31 2012 14:47 Amui wrote:
I got bored and decided to play around with theasiangamer's damage calculator.
Highest theoretical unbuffed DPS achievable by a melee(dual wielding) is somewhere around 460k.
2-hand (perfect skorn) is around 425k so it's pretty much a wash as to which one is better relatively speaking, it's a lot easier to get a near perfect skorn than 2 near perfect 1-h, one of which has to be a near perfect EF.
Highest DH unbuffed is roughly 550k(perfect manti+deadmans legacy)
Wizard is ~530k (perfect triumvirate)
makes it even sicker that there already is a 493k unbuffed DH.
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On October 31 2012 17:31 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 14:47 Amui wrote:
I got bored and decided to play around with theasiangamer's damage calculator.
Highest theoretical unbuffed DPS achievable by a melee(dual wielding) is somewhere around 460k.
2-hand (perfect skorn) is around 425k so it's pretty much a wash as to which one is better relatively speaking, it's a lot easier to get a near perfect skorn than 2 near perfect 1-h, one of which has to be a near perfect EF.
Highest DH unbuffed is roughly 550k(perfect manti+deadmans legacy)
Wizard is ~530k (perfect triumvirate) makes it even sicker that there already is a 493k unbuffed DH.
Link pl0x.
NVM found
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I bet 1.06 adds more gear to go over 9000k dps!
So when the expansion comes out each paragon level will give us a 1% bonus to level 61 right?! :-D
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On October 31 2012 17:31 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 14:47 Amui wrote:
I got bored and decided to play around with theasiangamer's damage calculator.
Highest theoretical unbuffed DPS achievable by a melee(dual wielding) is somewhere around 460k.
2-hand (perfect skorn) is around 425k so it's pretty much a wash as to which one is better relatively speaking, it's a lot easier to get a near perfect skorn than 2 near perfect 1-h, one of which has to be a near perfect EF.
Highest DH unbuffed is roughly 550k(perfect manti+deadmans legacy)
Wizard is ~530k (perfect triumvirate) makes it even sicker that there already is a 493k unbuffed DH.
Forgot zuni boots(legacy for non-int classes) existed, you'll need to buff my maximum by roughly 4-6% for every single class. Makes me really sad though that my monk has barely hit 25% mark as far as maximum DPS unbuffed goes.
I'm actually more interested in the DPS scaling relative to unbuffed DPS though. For monks using cookie cutter, it depends on crit but I get roughly 7x scaling. I'd imagine in perfect gear you'd get around 8-9x scaling as a monk. Only thing that isn't accounted for is additional cyclones spawned, unless there are other skill-stat interactions I'm unaware of.
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Ok, I have several questions.
Ever since patch 1.0.5 hit, is there a difference between monsters in terms of difficulty from Act to Act? And if so, is it better to farm Act 1 on MP 5 or Act 3 on MP?
Lastly, is it more worth while to farm an act on a lower MP but faster or is it better to farm on a higher MP, even if it is slower?
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On November 01 2012 03:52 Amui wrote:
I'm actually more interested in the DPS scaling relative to unbuffed DPS though.
Some of the D3 fansites have links to a DH with 3.1m effective dps & Barb with 2.6m dps where they straight up solo Az @ MP10 in under a minute and calculate their actual dps using the kill time. I'm sure whatever class can get the fastest kill will be the next one nerfed so lets hope Monks don't get it! XD
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On November 01 2012 04:11 Destructicon wrote:
Ok, I have several questions.
Ever since patch 1.0.5 hit, is there a difference between monsters in terms of difficulty from Act to Act? And if so, is it better to farm Act 1 on MP 5 or Act 3 on MP?
Lastly, is it more worth while to farm an act on a lower MP but faster or is it better to farm on a higher MP, even if it is slower?
MP0 Act 3 in a MF, movement, instant aoe build. :-D MP++ as your DPS improves.
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On November 01 2012 04:16 Burrfoot wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 03:52 Amui wrote:
I'm actually more interested in the DPS scaling relative to unbuffed DPS though. Some of the D3 fansites have links to a DH with 3.1m effective dps & Barb with 2.6m dps where they straight up solo Az @ MP10 in under a minute and calculate their actual dps using the kill time. I'm sure whatever class can get the fastest kill will be the next one nerfed so lets hope Monks don't get it! XD
Found the video of the 3.1 million dps barb, he has ~161k with no buffs on. The DH has ~16-17x scaling. I'd say monks are quite safe from the nerf bat considering that barb in particular has ~18-19x damage scaling. I don't think it'd be possible for monks to exceed about 10x scaling anyways.
I don't think it's the damage in particular that needs to be toned down, Good gear should allow you to kill faster and faster. I'd rather they just buff/nerf until all the classes get 12-18x scaling with a variety of builds(gear dependant).
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On November 01 2012 04:20 Burrfoot wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 04:11 Destructicon wrote:
Ok, I have several questions.
Ever since patch 1.0.5 hit, is there a difference between monsters in terms of difficulty from Act to Act? And if so, is it better to farm Act 1 on MP 5 or Act 3 on MP?
Lastly, is it more worth while to farm an act on a lower MP but faster or is it better to farm on a higher MP, even if it is slower? MP0 Act 3 in a MF, movement, instant aoe build. :-D MP++ as your DPS improves.
i read a long ass review of this exact question, and he said for experience alone, Act 3 MP 0 is best. if you are looking for items though, do the highest mp possible that is efficient (i.e., if you are dying a lot, its not efficient). i do act 3, mp1 just because its so easy to clear everything out with archon. i do it for experience, not items.
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Thanks for the heads up, I can farm Act 1 on MP5 without dying, but it takes like 1-2 mins to kill a champion mob, even without extra HP stat. I guess I'll stick to farming Act 3 on MP 0 though until I get more Paragon levels.
When would be a good time to stop farming XP and start farming items, Paragon level 30-40 or 50ish?
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On November 01 2012 05:07 Destructicon wrote:
Thanks for the heads up, I can farm Act 1 on MP5 without dying, but it takes like 1-2 mins to kill a champion mob, even without extra HP stat. I guess I'll stick to farming Act 3 on MP 0 though until I get more Paragon levels.
When would be a good time to stop farming XP and start farming items, Paragon level 30-40 or 50ish?
on act 3, mp 1, i have found significant upgrades to my chest, amulet, wrists and offhand. i have not found any good sellable items though (i.e, more than a few hundred thousand) other than the upgrades i used for myself. its up to you whether you want to farm items or experience, and for how long. on act 3 mp 0, you will do both but the focus will be speed, not items.
also, something to consider is farming keys, infernal machines. the hellfire ring is +35% to experience, so if you are farming experience, its a should have.
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On November 01 2012 05:14 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 05:07 Destructicon wrote:
Thanks for the heads up, I can farm Act 1 on MP5 without dying, but it takes like 1-2 mins to kill a champion mob, even without extra HP stat. I guess I'll stick to farming Act 3 on MP 0 though until I get more Paragon levels.
When would be a good time to stop farming XP and start farming items, Paragon level 30-40 or 50ish?
on act 3, mp 1, i have found significant upgrades to my chest, amulet, wrists and offhand. i have not found any good sellable items though (i.e, more than a few hundred thousand) other than the upgrades i used for myself. its up to you whether you want to farm items or experience, and for how long. on act 3 mp 0, you will do both but the focus will be speed, not items. also, something to consider is farming keys, infernal machines. the hellfire ring is +35% to experience, so if you are farming experience, its a should have.
i really think at this point exp farming = item farming. act3 route i do on mp2-4(killspeed isnt a big issue in archon) nets alot of exp and easily 30++ rares with a legendary thrown in evry 3-4 runs.
even vota doesnt net me that much cause if you stay there you do alot of killing at no stats and the hundreds of whitemobs you kill in act3 really drop alot too.
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On November 01 2012 06:03 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 05:14 dAPhREAk wrote:On November 01 2012 05:07 Destructicon wrote:
Thanks for the heads up, I can farm Act 1 on MP5 without dying, but it takes like 1-2 mins to kill a champion mob, even without extra HP stat. I guess I'll stick to farming Act 3 on MP 0 though until I get more Paragon levels.
When would be a good time to stop farming XP and start farming items, Paragon level 30-40 or 50ish?
on act 3, mp 1, i have found significant upgrades to my chest, amulet, wrists and offhand. i have not found any good sellable items though (i.e, more than a few hundred thousand) other than the upgrades i used for myself. its up to you whether you want to farm items or experience, and for how long. on act 3 mp 0, you will do both but the focus will be speed, not items. also, something to consider is farming keys, infernal machines. the hellfire ring is +35% to experience, so if you are farming experience, its a should have. i really think at this point exp farming = item farming. act3 route i do on mp2-4(killspeed isnt a big issue in archon) nets alot of exp and easily 30++ rares with a legendary thrown in evry 3-4 runs. even vota doesnt net me that much cause if you stay there you do alot of killing at no stats and the hundreds of whitemobs you kill in act3 really drop alot too.
true enough, but most "pure" experience runs you dont pick up anything other than specialty rares, set items and legendaries. they slow you down. i find those boring, so i pick everything up. =)
edit: i also throw in a keywarden at the end of the run just for the chance of getting another key.
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Act 3 alkaizer runs with max MF gear imo
Then you too [brag] can have auction listings like
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On November 01 2012 06:19 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 06:03 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:On November 01 2012 05:14 dAPhREAk wrote:On November 01 2012 05:07 Destructicon wrote:
Thanks for the heads up, I can farm Act 1 on MP5 without dying, but it takes like 1-2 mins to kill a champion mob, even without extra HP stat. I guess I'll stick to farming Act 3 on MP 0 though until I get more Paragon levels.
When would be a good time to stop farming XP and start farming items, Paragon level 30-40 or 50ish?
on act 3, mp 1, i have found significant upgrades to my chest, amulet, wrists and offhand. i have not found any good sellable items though (i.e, more than a few hundred thousand) other than the upgrades i used for myself. its up to you whether you want to farm items or experience, and for how long. on act 3 mp 0, you will do both but the focus will be speed, not items. also, something to consider is farming keys, infernal machines. the hellfire ring is +35% to experience, so if you are farming experience, its a should have. i really think at this point exp farming = item farming. act3 route i do on mp2-4(killspeed isnt a big issue in archon) nets alot of exp and easily 30++ rares with a legendary thrown in evry 3-4 runs. even vota doesnt net me that much cause if you stay there you do alot of killing at no stats and the hundreds of whitemobs you kill in act3 really drop alot too. true enough, but most "pure" experience runs you dont pick up anything other than specialty rares, set items and legendaries. they slow you down. i find those boring, so i pick everything up. =) edit: i also throw in a keywarden at the end of the run just for the chance of getting another key.
yeah thats what i do too. the runs are most efficient for both. and honestly the 2 minutes per run that picking up stuff adds up to barely affect exp rate. and even then, its not like your in some contest to get to lvl xx at y time.
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