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Altar
Profile Joined May 2008
United States577 Posts
November 04 2012 21:03 GMT
#14741
There is no reason not to add a ladder season so people can have fun racing to paragon 100. Without that race aspect its very hard to be motivated to play a lot.

PvP obviously comes first but to say the game doesn't need Ladder resets to keep people coming back is just flat out wrong.
Heavens to Betsy
Kanaz
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark658 Posts
November 04 2012 22:10 GMT
#14742
What kept d2 alive to so many people was the ladder resets and the reset in economy etc.
PvP will have a influence aswell, but ladder resets is probably the easiest way to make the game fresh.
Considering how much trouble they have with implementing PvP, and how much trouble they would have adding ladder seasons..
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
November 04 2012 23:04 GMT
#14743
PvP is impossible with current gear. Multiplicative scaling makes sure that even if you have a good char (150k DPS 200k EHP) there will be people who are impossible to beat just due to sheer numbers.
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
November 04 2012 23:14 GMT
#14744
On November 05 2012 08:04 BluzMan wrote:
PvP is impossible with current gear. Multiplicative scaling makes sure that even if you have a good char (150k DPS 200k EHP) there will be people who are impossible to beat just due to sheer numbers.

What I could see happening is damage -90% and healing reduced by 80%. I don't think there is much you can do about the gear issue though, people with significantly better gear are just going to win, and I think monks are actually going to destroy peeps in PvP due to thunderclap. Double low CD gap closers along with a 2k+% nuke+stun combo are going to make them really, really good.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
November 04 2012 23:35 GMT
#14745
On November 04 2012 23:09 Kanaz wrote:
Have blizzard changed their minds toward ladder reset?
Just picked the game up again, but I really feel like their should be ladder resets to keep it fresh.

make a new character.
Burrfoot
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States1176 Posts
November 04 2012 23:46 GMT
#14746
Or if they added a PvP ladder with only self-found gear and no AH/trading! ;-D
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Davlok-1847/career
dartoo
Profile Joined May 2010
India2889 Posts
November 05 2012 00:28 GMT
#14747
Guys whats the quickest way to level up? I've currently got a wiz with a hellfire ring, and a helm with aruby socket on mp10 normal...but it's still pretty slow. I've been finding some wiz gear with my dh and would like to try it on..but it's all lev 60 stuff.

Is it possible to join a game on a higher difficulty with someone so that they could carry you to level 60 real quick?
Soulmate
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Japan138 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-05 00:37:04
November 05 2012 00:36 GMT
#14748
Use cain's set and leoric ring if I remember correctly. It's really fast to level up a character with +300% experience.
Then you can play the game or farm specific spot (depth act 3, one cave in the festering woods act1...)
Kickboxer
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Slovenia1308 Posts
November 05 2012 00:51 GMT
#14749
I can't stand bots. So many high paragon botters lol. Bot bot bot.
Samba
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany452 Posts
November 05 2012 02:54 GMT
#14750
On November 05 2012 09:36 Soulmate wrote:
Use cain's set and leoric ring if I remember correctly. It's really fast to level up a character with +300% experience.
Then you can play the game or farm specific spot (depth act 3, one cave in the festering woods act1...)



And try to get someone who can pull you through act 3 mp10 with your respective difficulty.
Got my barb to lvl 60 in about 10h this way and i even played a lot by myself.
RIP Geoff “iNcontroL" Robinson, September 11, 1985 - July 20, 2019
Pangolin
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1035 Posts
November 05 2012 20:12 GMT
#14751
Hey guys, I want to come back to Diablo 3 and need some help deciding on a character. I played a monk to level 60 and about halfway through inferno, so now I'd like to try a ranged character. I tried and didn't really like the witch doctor so I'm deciding between wizard and demon hunter.

Anybody who has played to high level with both could help with advice on which is more fun or more effective. It also might be helpful for me to just know what skills are used most often for either class at level 60, so I level up until I unlock the skills and decide if I find them fun to use.

Also, are 2h bow+quiver setups useful for demon hunter or are crossbows generally more effective?
It's easier not to.
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
November 05 2012 20:25 GMT
#14752
On November 06 2012 05:12 Pangolin wrote:
Hey guys, I want to come back to Diablo 3 and need some help deciding on a character. I played a monk to level 60 and about halfway through inferno, so now I'd like to try a ranged character. I tried and didn't really like the witch doctor so I'm deciding between wizard and demon hunter.

Anybody who has played to high level with both could help with advice on which is more fun or more effective. It also might be helpful for me to just know what skills are used most often for either class at level 60, so I level up until I unlock the skills and decide if I find them fun to use.

Also, are 2h bow+quiver setups useful for demon hunter or are crossbows generally more effective?


I'd say the Wizard has the most flexibility in terms of builds right now. The most common are the critical mass build and the archon build, but there are many other viable options. I'd say of all the classes, you see the most variance in Wizard builds. For example, I was playing with a Wiz last night and he was running a Meteor build that I had never seen before, but it looked awesome.

For Demon Hunters, there are two standards. The most popular is using a 2handed Xbow and Hungering Arrow / Cluster Bombs as your main attacks. The other, slightly less popular is using higher attack speed weapons, either a bow and quiver or dual wielding, and using Evasive Fire and Elemental Arrow-Ball Lightning. The first build gives you much more burst, the second much more AoE. Kind of up to you what you prefer.

Right now, if I were you, I'd probably do a Wiz. There are so many things they can do right now that just seem like a lot more potential and flexibility. DH is pretty binary since the ToC nerf.
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BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
November 05 2012 20:35 GMT
#14753
thought about something. couldnt it be effective to run 2-3 FULLY mf equipped trough mp1-2 or something by 1 normal equipped high dps guy?


i barely notice slower killspeed untill mp5-6, couldnt others take advantage of that? like running with friends (you trust..) and share the items or do it for some gold/run
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Burrfoot
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States1176 Posts
November 05 2012 20:42 GMT
#14754
These days MP0/1 is so easy you should be able to just run solo thru everything in full MF gear and not skip a beat. With follower bonus XP and GFMF it really isn't efficient for xp or loot to group.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Davlok-1847/career
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-05 20:54:01
November 05 2012 20:50 GMT
#14755
On November 06 2012 05:42 Burrfoot wrote:
These days MP0/1 is so easy you should be able to just run solo thru everything in full MF gear and not skip a beat. With follower bonus XP and GFMF it really isn't efficient for xp or loot to group.


mp0 is crap. and many people dont have that good mf gear to just run through. also in general i doubt most people can kill as fast as a ww barb or archon wiz.

i just tested the beginning of my act3 route with 2 randoms on my sorc. killspeed is "lol archon op" as they called it. so free 400mf+ runs that are faster then most people solo doesnt sound too bad ;>
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
November 05 2012 20:53 GMT
#14756
On November 06 2012 05:50 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 05:42 Burrfoot wrote:
These days MP0/1 is so easy you should be able to just run solo thru everything in full MF gear and not skip a beat. With follower bonus XP and GFMF it really isn't efficient for xp or loot to group.


mp0 is crap. and many noobs dont have that good mf gear to just run through. also in general i doubt most people can kill as fast as a ww barb or archon wiz.

Don't see how MP0 is crap. It's the exact same difference between MP1 and MP2.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
serum321
Profile Joined January 2012
United States606 Posts
November 05 2012 23:03 GMT
#14757
On November 06 2012 05:50 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 05:42 Burrfoot wrote:
These days MP0/1 is so easy you should be able to just run solo thru everything in full MF gear and not skip a beat. With follower bonus XP and GFMF it really isn't efficient for xp or loot to group.


mp0 is crap. and many people dont have that good mf gear to just run through. also in general i doubt most people can kill as fast as a ww barb or archon wiz.

i just tested the beginning of my act3 route with 2 randoms on my sorc. killspeed is "lol archon op" as they called it. so free 400mf+ runs that are faster then most people solo doesnt sound too bad ;>

Got about 10 legendaries while xp farming on mp 0 over a period of about 6-8 hours one being a natalya's reflection worth about 1 billion gold. Got an ik's helm that rolled near perfect str and armor on mp1 which was at 50m before I left for work today.

I would like to see a test of someone in godly gear farming mp0 for 100 hours and that same person in same gear/setup farm mp10 and see which one gets more legendaries per hour. My guess is they aren't that far off. At the very least though farming act3 mp0 is a viable farming method.
Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
November 05 2012 23:14 GMT
#14758
To be very clear; mp0 and mp1 are very, very different things. I can't fathom why anyone would farm on MP0 now after the patch, as you're missing out on an incredible amount of gear $$$ potential.
Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits
Burrfoot
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States1176 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-05 23:30:26
November 05 2012 23:23 GMT
#14759
MP0 Act 3 is by far the easiest level to obtain enough gear to farm for maximum loot/xp. The DPS required to farm A1 or A2 @ MP1 is < gear required for A3 MP0, and only difference is 25% MF and 1% bonus loot. A3 MP0 has the exact same drop tables as MP1+, so the only bonus you are getting is MF/bonus loot, and at low MP it really isn't worth it for the gear investment.

From personal experience, I found 50k to be the limit to farm A3MP0 efficiently. To do the exact same run (time, kills, mobs, packs, bosses) for just 25% MF/MP requires a lot more gear. What we monks are doing is going full movement speed using Tempest Rush and clearing MP0/1 @ 60% movement speed. Its both the best XP and loot.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Davlok-1847/career
Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
November 05 2012 23:32 GMT
#14760
On November 06 2012 08:23 Burrfoot wrote:
only differenct is 25% MF and 1% bonus loot. A3 MP0 has the exact same drop tables as MP1+, so the only bonus you are getting is MF/bonus loot, and at low MP it really isn't worth it for the gear investmet.

Except for that on MP1 you get ilvl63 rings, amulets, and class items. Furthermore, unlike MP0, every single bit of gear can roll ilvl63 stats when you are on MP1+. It's a huge gear buff.
Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits
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