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Burrfoot
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States1176 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-05 23:42:08
November 05 2012 23:35 GMT
#14761
I don't think you understand what you just read. A3 MP0 has the exact same drop tables as MP1+ A3 MP0 mobs are level 63, therefore have the exact known/desired/etc drop tables. Or more correctly stated, Any Act MP1+ has the exact same drop tables as Act 3 or 4 MP0. I've done enough Act 3 MP0 to tell you it can drop all the ilvl 63 sets, legendaries, rare jewelery affixes, as MP1+.

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http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Davlok-1847/career
OhNeverMind
Profile Joined October 2010
United States90 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-05 23:38:12
November 05 2012 23:37 GMT
#14762
The change to gear applies everywhere including MP0. So your gear on Act3 will roll with ilvl63 stats on MP0. So like everyone else is saying it is not a gear buff, only a slight MF/item drop buff.

ninja'd
serum321
Profile Joined January 2012
United States606 Posts
November 05 2012 23:40 GMT
#14763
On November 06 2012 08:32 Hairy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 08:23 Burrfoot wrote:
only differenct is 25% MF and 1% bonus loot. A3 MP0 has the exact same drop tables as MP1+, so the only bonus you are getting is MF/bonus loot, and at low MP it really isn't worth it for the gear investmet.

Except for that on MP1 you get ilvl63 rings, amulets, and class items. Furthermore, unlike MP0, every single bit of gear can roll ilvl63 stats when you are on MP1+. It's a huge gear buff.

No dude act 3 mp 0 is no different in terms of drop from any act mp 1, the only difference is like burrfoot said 25% mf and 1% bonus drop. Every single item can roll ilvlx stats where x = to mob lvl and every mob in a3 mp 0 is lvl 63 just like in mp1+.
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
November 05 2012 23:58 GMT
#14764
I can beat Act 1 MP1 but I can't beat Act 3 MP0 with my HC barb so that makes the decision easy for me!
Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
November 06 2012 00:02 GMT
#14765
Hmm, I can't find any information now that reflects what I'd read before. Looks like I was misinformed.

Still, for my char, without at least MP3 I can't maintain WOTB, so the MP1/0 dilemma has a rather easy answer :D
Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits
Makavw
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia165 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-06 00:11:03
November 06 2012 00:08 GMT
#14766
As of right now, mp is useless for anything but key/ring farming and leveling alts.
Only reason to go higher then mp0 , is for characters that can use the extra mf to go over the 375% cap and still have dmg to clear it in same time.

I as a 215k dps demon hunter(when using my normal gear) stopped doing anything but mp0 - just swapped to MF gear and leoric signet. Xp goes faster,more loot, more legends...

They really need to improve the MP bonuses or soon 95% percent of players will grind only mp0.

It is also sad that money is kind of useless to me now, i have enough money to turn all classes into efficient mp0 farmers. Whats the point in doing anything other, I kind of wanted mp to be something you strive for as you get better. But atm its complete and utter bull.
Burrfoot
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States1176 Posts
November 06 2012 00:18 GMT
#14767
On November 06 2012 09:08 Makavw wrote:
As of right now, mp is useless for anything but key/ring farming and leveling alts.
Only reason to go higher then mp0 , is for characters that can use the extra mf to go over the 375% cap and still have dmg to clear it in same time.

I as a 215k dps demon hunter(when using my normal gear) stopped doing anything but mp0 - just swapped to MF gear and leoric signet. Xp goes faster,more loot, more legends...

They really need to improve the MP bonuses or soon 95% percent of players will grind only mp0.

It is also sad that money is kind of useless to me now, i have enough money to turn all classes into efficient mp0 farmers. Whats the point in doing anything other, I kind of wanted mp to be something you strive for as you get better. But atm its complete and utter bull.


Yep, I'm at that same "wtf, am I really just grinding XP?" phase because I can very easily clear MP0 in my sleep @ 60% movement speed, and the DPS I would need to get to clear MP4 at the same speed (where the +bonus item becomes noticeable) is completely not worth the investment. Looking at my gear now, I don't see a good item worth upgrading, as I can do MP8 in my 'tanky' when needed.

I would need to triple my DPS, up my sustain, and swap some movement skills to defensive ones to do MP4 at the same speed. Since WW barbs were already the highest movement spec, they don't see the big shift in 'ideal clearing' build that other classes like Monks have started to come to realize. I'm sure other classes are starting to figure out builds that clear faster than the cookie cutter ones from 1.04.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Davlok-1847/career
Confuse
Profile Joined October 2009
2238 Posts
November 06 2012 08:37 GMT
#14768
Random question - I have found all the emerald designs and was wondering, before i start dumping money into gems for crafting, if it's worth it?

I've heard countless accounts of making radiant square gems costing upwards of 15 mil, and they seem to only sell in AH for 14 mill tops. In this case, why would anyone ever craft gems at all? I find it to be a bit confusing... just was looking for some TL advice on it, thanks!
If we fear what we do not understand, then why is ignorance bliss?
wooozy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3813 Posts
November 06 2012 08:52 GMT
#14769
not worth crafting now (unless you want the jeweler achievements), but radiant star prices weren't always like this
dartoo
Profile Joined May 2010
India2889 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-06 09:42:59
November 06 2012 09:42 GMT
#14770
Atleast when I logged a few hours ago, you could turn a small profit at every level except for radiant star, where it was a 3(or so) million loss. Overall, Dont know if it's worth it, I craft my own gems cause I find it to be cheaper (even though the gain is small), and I found all the plans while farming.
ErrantJoe
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom5 Posts
November 06 2012 10:34 GMT
#14771
With free materials - using flawless squares, tomes and designs you have picked up - it costs 15,400,000 in crafting costs to get a Radiant Star gem. You then have to sell for 17,647,058 on the auction house to break even. Obviously if you buy materials or plans you have to sell for a lot more if you want to profit. It takes 729 flawless squares to get a Radiant Star, currently on EU SC that would cost 1,458,000 @2000 each.

What I can't understand is why the emerald radiant star design is still 2,800,000. Are people buying these in the hope that crafting becomes profitable again one day? or for achievements?

Confuse
Profile Joined October 2009
2238 Posts
November 06 2012 12:16 GMT
#14772
Thanks guys. I guess I'll just slowly scrounge up 729 emeralds/X # of tome of secrets at a time to reduce the cost
If we fear what we do not understand, then why is ignorance bliss?
ErrantJoe
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom5 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-06 16:06:39
November 06 2012 16:03 GMT
#14773
That won't reduce the cost - I don't think you have understood - you can buy Radiant Stars for less than 10,000,000 at the moment... make them yourself from scratch and it costs 15,400,000. It might be cheaper than 15,400,000 to craft from higher level gems purchased on the auction house but I doubt you'll find a method cheaper than just buying the Radiant Star gem.

Say you have 729 emeralds (disregarding the tomes and designs)

If you use them to make a Radiant Star you pay Shen 15,400,000 to craft

If you sell them and buy a Radiant Star (729 *1900)*0.85 - 9,730,000 you pay 8,552,665
Prices are EU SC emeralds

So currently its 6,847,335 cheaper to buy than to craft
Iranon
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States983 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-06 17:59:29
November 06 2012 16:41 GMT
#14774
Hey all, so I've been farming VotA on MP2 with my DH for the past three or four days, and while it's turning a small profit just from vendoring drops (50-100k per 8-12 minute run), it's been pretty underwhelming. I've gotten almost nothing worth putting up on the AH. Running on MP1 is necessary so Act II will be level 63, and I didn't notice a real difference between my killing speed on MP1 and MP2 (but on MP3 I occasionally die to careless elite pack engagements).

Anyway, I'll probably end up testing it myself anyway, but would I be better off doing MP0 A3 clears, or stick with VotA?

Edit: also, dumb question. When people say XX unbuffed dps, that basically means character sheet dps, right? Or character sheet dps minus any buffs from passive skills?
findingthelimit
Profile Joined May 2012
Hong Kong219 Posts
November 06 2012 17:11 GMT
#14775
Hey guys! I'm trying get up to ~80k dps unbuffed on my barbarian without sacrificing too much tankiness (i can currently tank MP2 act3 inferno)

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/ZYXlimitLSR-2987/hero/18083824

can anyone tell me about what component would be my cheapest upgrade? I know the easiest way would be a socketed echoing fury with 100% critchance, but i have less than 10mil... i'm leaning towards upgrading my ring atm.

thanks a bunch guys!
baba1
Profile Joined April 2005
Canada355 Posts
November 06 2012 17:30 GMT
#14776
Despite all the recents additions, I still find D3 boring as shit.

There is literally nothing more to do than at release.

There is no cake, only icing.
noq uote
wooozy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3813 Posts
November 06 2012 20:07 GMT
#14777
On November 07 2012 01:03 ErrantJoe wrote:
That won't reduce the cost - I don't think you have understood - you can buy Radiant Stars for less than 10,000,000 at the moment... make them yourself from scratch and it costs 15,400,000. It might be cheaper than 15,400,000 to craft from higher level gems purchased on the auction house but I doubt you'll find a method cheaper than just buying the Radiant Star gem.

Say you have 729 emeralds (disregarding the tomes and designs)

If you use them to make a Radiant Star you pay Shen 15,400,000 to craft

If you sell them and buy a Radiant Star (729 *1900)*0.85 - 9,730,000 you pay 8,552,665
Prices are EU SC emeralds

So currently its 6,847,335 cheaper to buy than to craft


on US the prices are higher. at the time of this post:
amethyst: 13.7m
emerald: 16.2m
ruby: 17.3m
topaz: 14.9m
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
November 06 2012 20:54 GMT
#14778
On November 07 2012 01:41 Iranon wrote:
Hey all, so I've been farming VotA on MP2 with my DH for the past three or four days, and while it's turning a small profit just from vendoring drops (50-100k per 8-12 minute run), it's been pretty underwhelming. I've gotten almost nothing worth putting up on the AH. Running on MP1 is necessary so Act II will be level 63, and I didn't notice a real difference between my killing speed on MP1 and MP2 (but on MP3 I occasionally die to careless elite pack engagements).

Anyway, I'll probably end up testing it myself anyway, but would I be better off doing MP0 A3 clears, or stick with VotA?

Edit: also, dumb question. When people say XX unbuffed dps, that basically means character sheet dps, right? Or character sheet dps minus any buffs from passive skills?


Unbuffed dps means your character sheet dps without any active skills activated; and for DH without sharpshooter (all other passive buffs do count).

As for mp0 A3 versus MP2 VotA; you'll just have to test it yourself to see. A3 runs are much longer; I hear it's about 30 minutes at max speed. So you'll have to see how many rares you get / minute to get a real comparison to VotA. But my gut says you'll have more luck sticking with VotA - since dropping 2 monster powers is a 50% MF loss right there.
wooozy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3813 Posts
November 06 2012 20:59 GMT
#14779
that's not necessarily true. farming vota means you're running around without NV stacks (and run typically ends after the fifth) whereas you'll have 5 NV for most of an a3 run
Confuse
Profile Joined October 2009
2238 Posts
November 06 2012 21:08 GMT
#14780
On November 07 2012 01:03 ErrantJoe wrote:
That won't reduce the cost - I don't think you have understood - you can buy Radiant Stars for less than 10,000,000 at the moment... make them yourself from scratch and it costs 15,400,000. It might be cheaper than 15,400,000 to craft from higher level gems purchased on the auction house but I doubt you'll find a method cheaper than just buying the Radiant Star gem.

Say you have 729 emeralds (disregarding the tomes and designs)

If you use them to make a Radiant Star you pay Shen 15,400,000 to craft

If you sell them and buy a Radiant Star (729 *1900)*0.85 - 9,730,000 you pay 8,552,665
Prices are EU SC emeralds

So currently its 6,847,335 cheaper to buy than to craft


oh. that is so crazy, how can they be going for so cheap? i guess i dont understand the economy... thank you for explaining.
If we fear what we do not understand, then why is ignorance bliss?
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