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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-25 00:11:14
May 25 2012 00:08 GMT
#9941
On May 25 2012 08:50 Azuzu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 08:39 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On May 25 2012 08:32 Azuzu wrote:
On May 25 2012 08:04 Torte de Lini wrote:
On May 25 2012 07:50 NB wrote:
On May 25 2012 07:41 Torte de Lini wrote:
[image loading]

I killed a goblin in act III and it dropped this @__@
It doesn't give as much dmg as my current ring (about 1.4k less overall dmg), so I might sell it (gives +6.5k life). I checked the auction and there isn't any higher than 100 vit and int, some at 100 int + 75 vit for about 600k to 2 mil (no socket though).

How much could it go for O:

not a whole lot apparently... there are much better stats to get on a ring than just vit (crit, AS, MF...) yours is just a bit of int and a lot of vit(which could get from other items). Assuming int is only needed for WD and wiz, none of those classes need to build 'mass tank' to invest in such item. Something like 100 int and AS for example, worth a whole lot more. I would say try out 500k range price as buy out and start bidding at 300 400 is good.

like the thing is: a lot of people when they got an item, they just look at the exact same stat on the AH to decide the price. The thing is sometime no one care about those stat combination to buy them from the very first place. This happens to every odd stat combination like half tank half DPS or half dex half str...


Just sold for 1.2 mil



I'm pretty surprised that would sell for that much TBH. I guess a lot of mages are trying to shed their 0 vit gear?

Also, I would be really interested in a "auction house valuation" thread!


The funny part is that it sold in less than twenty minutes unless he had posted it after he asked for a price so it'd probably sell for a lot more than that.



Could be, but not neccesarily true. In my experience if things don't sell in the first couple hours, there's not a great chance they will sell at all. It's really hard to tell, it's a niche item and I think only a sucker is buying it for that price. Would the same sucker pay 300k more? Maybe.


There's a big difference between a few minutes and a few hours. If it sells nearly instantly it is almost guaranteed that you under priced it. It could be "market value" and the person who was looking for such a thing just happened to be looking for one at the same time you posted it, but the majority of the time I'd bet it's a merchant trying to make a quick buck.


On May 25 2012 09:07 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 09:02 Kaonis wrote:
On May 25 2012 08:51 Torte de Lini wrote:
On May 25 2012 08:39 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On May 25 2012 08:32 Azuzu wrote:
On May 25 2012 08:04 Torte de Lini wrote:
On May 25 2012 07:50 NB wrote:
On May 25 2012 07:41 Torte de Lini wrote:
[image loading]

I killed a goblin in act III and it dropped this @__@
It doesn't give as much dmg as my current ring (about 1.4k less overall dmg), so I might sell it (gives +6.5k life). I checked the auction and there isn't any higher than 100 vit and int, some at 100 int + 75 vit for about 600k to 2 mil (no socket though).

How much could it go for O:

not a whole lot apparently... there are much better stats to get on a ring than just vit (crit, AS, MF...) yours is just a bit of int and a lot of vit(which could get from other items). Assuming int is only needed for WD and wiz, none of those classes need to build 'mass tank' to invest in such item. Something like 100 int and AS for example, worth a whole lot more. I would say try out 500k range price as buy out and start bidding at 300 400 is good.

like the thing is: a lot of people when they got an item, they just look at the exact same stat on the AH to decide the price. The thing is sometime no one care about those stat combination to buy them from the very first place. This happens to every odd stat combination like half tank half DPS or half dex half str...


Just sold for 1.2 mil



I'm pretty surprised that would sell for that much TBH. I guess a lot of mages are trying to shed their 0 vit gear?

Also, I would be really interested in a "auction house valuation" thread!


The funny part is that it sold in less than twenty minutes unless he had posted it after he asked for a price so it'd probably sell for a lot more than that.

It sold in less than 5 minutes. I was in the bathroom :B

I just got a quiver, but I dunno how to gauge their value at all ):
78 dex +13 attack speed Regen 27 +7 max disc and a socket


What's the required level? If it's 60 I can't really help you (only to 50 myself) but that extra discipline looks damn good for a demon hunter (might be enough to get off a third smokescreen)

Yeah, it's 60. I just don't know if its even worht selling.


If it wasn't obvious to you already from what just happened with the ring, NOBODY knows prices right now. There isn't really a market value for anything besides post it for about what other people did and hope somebody buys it. Since every Quiver has attack speed though (and it is on the low end), I'd say that quiver isn't anything special. If you're commonly finding drops of that ring caliber it sounds like there are much better uses of your ten auction house spots.
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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
May 25 2012 00:13 GMT
#9942
On May 25 2012 09:08 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 08:50 Azuzu wrote:
On May 25 2012 08:39 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On May 25 2012 08:32 Azuzu wrote:
On May 25 2012 08:04 Torte de Lini wrote:
On May 25 2012 07:50 NB wrote:
On May 25 2012 07:41 Torte de Lini wrote:
[image loading]

I killed a goblin in act III and it dropped this @__@
It doesn't give as much dmg as my current ring (about 1.4k less overall dmg), so I might sell it (gives +6.5k life). I checked the auction and there isn't any higher than 100 vit and int, some at 100 int + 75 vit for about 600k to 2 mil (no socket though).

How much could it go for O:

not a whole lot apparently... there are much better stats to get on a ring than just vit (crit, AS, MF...) yours is just a bit of int and a lot of vit(which could get from other items). Assuming int is only needed for WD and wiz, none of those classes need to build 'mass tank' to invest in such item. Something like 100 int and AS for example, worth a whole lot more. I would say try out 500k range price as buy out and start bidding at 300 400 is good.

like the thing is: a lot of people when they got an item, they just look at the exact same stat on the AH to decide the price. The thing is sometime no one care about those stat combination to buy them from the very first place. This happens to every odd stat combination like half tank half DPS or half dex half str...


Just sold for 1.2 mil



I'm pretty surprised that would sell for that much TBH. I guess a lot of mages are trying to shed their 0 vit gear?

Also, I would be really interested in a "auction house valuation" thread!


The funny part is that it sold in less than twenty minutes unless he had posted it after he asked for a price so it'd probably sell for a lot more than that.



Could be, but not neccesarily true. In my experience if things don't sell in the first couple hours, there's not a great chance they will sell at all. It's really hard to tell, it's a niche item and I think only a sucker is buying it for that price. Would the same sucker pay 300k more? Maybe.


There's a big difference between a few minutes and a few hours. If it sells nearly instantly it is almost guaranteed that you under priced it. It could be "market value" and the person who was looking for such a thing just happened to be looking for one at the same time you posted it, but the majority of the time I'd bet it's a merchant trying to make a quick buck.


Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 09:07 Torte de Lini wrote:
On May 25 2012 09:02 Kaonis wrote:
On May 25 2012 08:51 Torte de Lini wrote:
On May 25 2012 08:39 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On May 25 2012 08:32 Azuzu wrote:
On May 25 2012 08:04 Torte de Lini wrote:
On May 25 2012 07:50 NB wrote:
On May 25 2012 07:41 Torte de Lini wrote:
[image loading]

I killed a goblin in act III and it dropped this @__@
It doesn't give as much dmg as my current ring (about 1.4k less overall dmg), so I might sell it (gives +6.5k life). I checked the auction and there isn't any higher than 100 vit and int, some at 100 int + 75 vit for about 600k to 2 mil (no socket though).

How much could it go for O:

not a whole lot apparently... there are much better stats to get on a ring than just vit (crit, AS, MF...) yours is just a bit of int and a lot of vit(which could get from other items). Assuming int is only needed for WD and wiz, none of those classes need to build 'mass tank' to invest in such item. Something like 100 int and AS for example, worth a whole lot more. I would say try out 500k range price as buy out and start bidding at 300 400 is good.

like the thing is: a lot of people when they got an item, they just look at the exact same stat on the AH to decide the price. The thing is sometime no one care about those stat combination to buy them from the very first place. This happens to every odd stat combination like half tank half DPS or half dex half str...


Just sold for 1.2 mil



I'm pretty surprised that would sell for that much TBH. I guess a lot of mages are trying to shed their 0 vit gear?

Also, I would be really interested in a "auction house valuation" thread!


The funny part is that it sold in less than twenty minutes unless he had posted it after he asked for a price so it'd probably sell for a lot more than that.

It sold in less than 5 minutes. I was in the bathroom :B

I just got a quiver, but I dunno how to gauge their value at all ):
78 dex +13 attack speed Regen 27 +7 max disc and a socket


What's the required level? If it's 60 I can't really help you (only to 50 myself) but that extra discipline looks damn good for a demon hunter (might be enough to get off a third smokescreen)

Yeah, it's 60. I just don't know if its even worht selling.


If it wasn't obvious to you already from what just happened with the ring, NOBODY knows prices right now. There isn't really a market value for anything besides post it for about what other people did and hope somebody buys it. Since every Quiver has attack speed though (and it is on the low end), I'd say that quiver isn't anything special. If you're commonly finding drops of that ring caliber it sounds like there are much better uses of your ten auction house spots.

if you have spots, just sell it for a ridiculously low price and someone will take it from you.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
May 25 2012 00:14 GMT
#9943
On May 25 2012 09:08 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 08:50 Azuzu wrote:
On May 25 2012 08:39 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On May 25 2012 08:32 Azuzu wrote:
On May 25 2012 08:04 Torte de Lini wrote:
On May 25 2012 07:50 NB wrote:
On May 25 2012 07:41 Torte de Lini wrote:
[image loading]

I killed a goblin in act III and it dropped this @__@
It doesn't give as much dmg as my current ring (about 1.4k less overall dmg), so I might sell it (gives +6.5k life). I checked the auction and there isn't any higher than 100 vit and int, some at 100 int + 75 vit for about 600k to 2 mil (no socket though).

How much could it go for O:

not a whole lot apparently... there are much better stats to get on a ring than just vit (crit, AS, MF...) yours is just a bit of int and a lot of vit(which could get from other items). Assuming int is only needed for WD and wiz, none of those classes need to build 'mass tank' to invest in such item. Something like 100 int and AS for example, worth a whole lot more. I would say try out 500k range price as buy out and start bidding at 300 400 is good.

like the thing is: a lot of people when they got an item, they just look at the exact same stat on the AH to decide the price. The thing is sometime no one care about those stat combination to buy them from the very first place. This happens to every odd stat combination like half tank half DPS or half dex half str...


Just sold for 1.2 mil



I'm pretty surprised that would sell for that much TBH. I guess a lot of mages are trying to shed their 0 vit gear?

Also, I would be really interested in a "auction house valuation" thread!


The funny part is that it sold in less than twenty minutes unless he had posted it after he asked for a price so it'd probably sell for a lot more than that.



Could be, but not neccesarily true. In my experience if things don't sell in the first couple hours, there's not a great chance they will sell at all. It's really hard to tell, it's a niche item and I think only a sucker is buying it for that price. Would the same sucker pay 300k more? Maybe.


There's a big difference between a few minutes and a few hours. If it sells nearly instantly it is almost guaranteed that you under priced it. It could be "market value" and the person who was looking for such a thing just happened to be looking for one at the same time you posted it, but the majority of the time I'd bet it's a merchant trying to make a quick buck.


Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 09:07 Torte de Lini wrote:
On May 25 2012 09:02 Kaonis wrote:
On May 25 2012 08:51 Torte de Lini wrote:
On May 25 2012 08:39 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On May 25 2012 08:32 Azuzu wrote:
On May 25 2012 08:04 Torte de Lini wrote:
On May 25 2012 07:50 NB wrote:
On May 25 2012 07:41 Torte de Lini wrote:
[image loading]

I killed a goblin in act III and it dropped this @__@
It doesn't give as much dmg as my current ring (about 1.4k less overall dmg), so I might sell it (gives +6.5k life). I checked the auction and there isn't any higher than 100 vit and int, some at 100 int + 75 vit for about 600k to 2 mil (no socket though).

How much could it go for O:

not a whole lot apparently... there are much better stats to get on a ring than just vit (crit, AS, MF...) yours is just a bit of int and a lot of vit(which could get from other items). Assuming int is only needed for WD and wiz, none of those classes need to build 'mass tank' to invest in such item. Something like 100 int and AS for example, worth a whole lot more. I would say try out 500k range price as buy out and start bidding at 300 400 is good.

like the thing is: a lot of people when they got an item, they just look at the exact same stat on the AH to decide the price. The thing is sometime no one care about those stat combination to buy them from the very first place. This happens to every odd stat combination like half tank half DPS or half dex half str...


Just sold for 1.2 mil



I'm pretty surprised that would sell for that much TBH. I guess a lot of mages are trying to shed their 0 vit gear?

Also, I would be really interested in a "auction house valuation" thread!


The funny part is that it sold in less than twenty minutes unless he had posted it after he asked for a price so it'd probably sell for a lot more than that.

It sold in less than 5 minutes. I was in the bathroom :B

I just got a quiver, but I dunno how to gauge their value at all ):
78 dex +13 attack speed Regen 27 +7 max disc and a socket


What's the required level? If it's 60 I can't really help you (only to 50 myself) but that extra discipline looks damn good for a demon hunter (might be enough to get off a third smokescreen)

Yeah, it's 60. I just don't know if its even worht selling.


If it wasn't obvious to you already from what just happened with the ring, NOBODY knows prices right now. There isn't really a market value for anything besides post it for about what other people did and hope somebody buys it. Since every Quiver has attack speed though (and it is on the low end), I'd say that quiver isn't anything special. If you're commonly finding drops of that ring caliber it sounds like there are much better uses of your ten auction house spots.


One anecdotal experience about rings coming from 3 people saying it is worth something and 2 people saying it isn't = no one has any idea about prices right now????
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
May 25 2012 00:17 GMT
#9944
I think what you should be saying is that not everyone is sure of prices on some things, in which I reply: yeah, but it doesn't hurt to ask.

Because despite not being entirely sure, everyone is sure of one time or another of selling an item of similar, more or less, of the same stats of the same item (or at least have been looking around/thus knowing how much they'd be willing to buy).

So even if we have little to go on, a collective opinion by a few is better than refraining from asking at all (especially since no one loses out taking a stab or a guess and neither do I getting a second opinion).
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Drium
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States888 Posts
May 25 2012 00:21 GMT
#9945
[image loading]

Found this ring. Doubt I'm gonna sell it soon since I play a DH and it seems insane.
KwanROLLLLLLLED
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
May 25 2012 00:22 GMT
#9946
Very nice :D
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Azuzu
Profile Joined August 2010
United States340 Posts
May 25 2012 00:24 GMT
#9947
On May 25 2012 09:17 Torte de Lini wrote:
I think what you should be saying is that not everyone is sure of prices on some things, in which I reply: yeah, but it doesn't hurt to ask.

Because despite not being entirely sure, everyone is sure of one time or another of selling an item of similar, more or less, of the same stats of the same item (or at least have been looking around/thus knowing how much they'd be willing to buy).

So even if we have little to go on, a collective opinion by a few is better than refraining from asking at all (especially since no one loses out taking a stab or a guess and neither do I getting a second opinion).


I think jewelry has the most potential for flucuation though as it has largest pool of good stats. Almost all of the "grossly mispriced" items I've seen on the AH have been rings or ammies. They're very profitable, but very hard to price as well because they tend to be a lot more unique.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
May 25 2012 00:25 GMT
#9948
On May 25 2012 09:24 Azuzu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 09:17 Torte de Lini wrote:
I think what you should be saying is that not everyone is sure of prices on some things, in which I reply: yeah, but it doesn't hurt to ask.

Because despite not being entirely sure, everyone is sure of one time or another of selling an item of similar, more or less, of the same stats of the same item (or at least have been looking around/thus knowing how much they'd be willing to buy).

So even if we have little to go on, a collective opinion by a few is better than refraining from asking at all (especially since no one loses out taking a stab or a guess and neither do I getting a second opinion).


I think jewelry has the most potential for flucuation though as it has largest pool of good stats. Almost all of the "grossly mispriced" items I've seen on the AH have been rings or ammies. They're very profitable, but very hard to price as well because they tend to be a lot more unique.


Agreed 100%
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-25 00:28:04
May 25 2012 00:27 GMT
#9949
On May 25 2012 09:14 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 09:08 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On May 25 2012 08:50 Azuzu wrote:
On May 25 2012 08:39 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On May 25 2012 08:32 Azuzu wrote:
On May 25 2012 08:04 Torte de Lini wrote:
On May 25 2012 07:50 NB wrote:
On May 25 2012 07:41 Torte de Lini wrote:
[image loading]

I killed a goblin in act III and it dropped this @__@
It doesn't give as much dmg as my current ring (about 1.4k less overall dmg), so I might sell it (gives +6.5k life). I checked the auction and there isn't any higher than 100 vit and int, some at 100 int + 75 vit for about 600k to 2 mil (no socket though).

How much could it go for O:

not a whole lot apparently... there are much better stats to get on a ring than just vit (crit, AS, MF...) yours is just a bit of int and a lot of vit(which could get from other items). Assuming int is only needed for WD and wiz, none of those classes need to build 'mass tank' to invest in such item. Something like 100 int and AS for example, worth a whole lot more. I would say try out 500k range price as buy out and start bidding at 300 400 is good.

like the thing is: a lot of people when they got an item, they just look at the exact same stat on the AH to decide the price. The thing is sometime no one care about those stat combination to buy them from the very first place. This happens to every odd stat combination like half tank half DPS or half dex half str...


Just sold for 1.2 mil



I'm pretty surprised that would sell for that much TBH. I guess a lot of mages are trying to shed their 0 vit gear?

Also, I would be really interested in a "auction house valuation" thread!


The funny part is that it sold in less than twenty minutes unless he had posted it after he asked for a price so it'd probably sell for a lot more than that.



Could be, but not neccesarily true. In my experience if things don't sell in the first couple hours, there's not a great chance they will sell at all. It's really hard to tell, it's a niche item and I think only a sucker is buying it for that price. Would the same sucker pay 300k more? Maybe.


There's a big difference between a few minutes and a few hours. If it sells nearly instantly it is almost guaranteed that you under priced it. It could be "market value" and the person who was looking for such a thing just happened to be looking for one at the same time you posted it, but the majority of the time I'd bet it's a merchant trying to make a quick buck.


On May 25 2012 09:07 Torte de Lini wrote:
On May 25 2012 09:02 Kaonis wrote:
On May 25 2012 08:51 Torte de Lini wrote:
On May 25 2012 08:39 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On May 25 2012 08:32 Azuzu wrote:
On May 25 2012 08:04 Torte de Lini wrote:
On May 25 2012 07:50 NB wrote:
On May 25 2012 07:41 Torte de Lini wrote:
[image loading]

I killed a goblin in act III and it dropped this @__@
It doesn't give as much dmg as my current ring (about 1.4k less overall dmg), so I might sell it (gives +6.5k life). I checked the auction and there isn't any higher than 100 vit and int, some at 100 int + 75 vit for about 600k to 2 mil (no socket though).

How much could it go for O:

not a whole lot apparently... there are much better stats to get on a ring than just vit (crit, AS, MF...) yours is just a bit of int and a lot of vit(which could get from other items). Assuming int is only needed for WD and wiz, none of those classes need to build 'mass tank' to invest in such item. Something like 100 int and AS for example, worth a whole lot more. I would say try out 500k range price as buy out and start bidding at 300 400 is good.

like the thing is: a lot of people when they got an item, they just look at the exact same stat on the AH to decide the price. The thing is sometime no one care about those stat combination to buy them from the very first place. This happens to every odd stat combination like half tank half DPS or half dex half str...


Just sold for 1.2 mil



I'm pretty surprised that would sell for that much TBH. I guess a lot of mages are trying to shed their 0 vit gear?

Also, I would be really interested in a "auction house valuation" thread!


The funny part is that it sold in less than twenty minutes unless he had posted it after he asked for a price so it'd probably sell for a lot more than that.

It sold in less than 5 minutes. I was in the bathroom :B

I just got a quiver, but I dunno how to gauge their value at all ):
78 dex +13 attack speed Regen 27 +7 max disc and a socket


What's the required level? If it's 60 I can't really help you (only to 50 myself) but that extra discipline looks damn good for a demon hunter (might be enough to get off a third smokescreen)

Yeah, it's 60. I just don't know if its even worht selling.


If it wasn't obvious to you already from what just happened with the ring, NOBODY knows prices right now. There isn't really a market value for anything besides post it for about what other people did and hope somebody buys it. Since every Quiver has attack speed though (and it is on the low end), I'd say that quiver isn't anything special. If you're commonly finding drops of that ring caliber it sounds like there are much better uses of your ten auction house spots.


One anecdotal experience about rings coming from 3 people saying it is worth something and 2 people saying it isn't = no one has any idea about prices right now????


That's correct, nobody has a clue. If the auction house had better search functionality I think prices might be a lot better defined by now but atm it's all up in the air as far as I can tell.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
May 25 2012 00:40 GMT
#9950
On May 25 2012 09:17 Torte de Lini wrote:
I think what you should be saying is that not everyone is sure of prices on some things, in which I reply: yeah, but it doesn't hurt to ask.

Because despite not being entirely sure, everyone is sure of one time or another of selling an item of similar, more or less, of the same stats of the same item (or at least have been looking around/thus knowing how much they'd be willing to buy).

So even if we have little to go on, a collective opinion by a few is better than refraining from asking at all (especially since no one loses out taking a stab or a guess and neither do I getting a second opinion).


My point was that you already did the only logical way to price items currently (search similar stats on auction house). Unless some one on these forums has been actively merchanting for the past week I don't think you can get a better opinion than what you had before you got here. Of course, that is exactly who merchants prey upon so I don't see why they'd give you a fair price besides being on team liquid.

You don't lose out by asking us, but you also have nothing to gain unless you're too incompetent to make inferences from prices. Considering what you observed on the auction house and the price you sold it for you aren't incompetent either. You might have been able to squeeze a bit higher, but then you have to consider the value of spots on the auction house which is another beast entirely.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-25 00:45:20
May 25 2012 00:44 GMT
#9951
My point was that you already did the only logical way to price items currently (search similar stats on auction house). Unless some one on these forums has been actively merchanting for the past week I don't think you can get a better opinion than what you had before you got here.


I have been merchanting for about 5 days now and there are plenty of other people who do it too. Doesn't mean I don't value those who don't or those who are casually playing.

but you also have nothing to gain unless you're too incompetent to make inferences from prices.
Only one way to find out and I got my answer in one way or another.

It sounds more like you have a defeatist attitude. I gain more by asking than nothing at all, even the reactions are worthwhile to engage for.
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
May 25 2012 00:44 GMT
#9952
well the price right now is mostly set in compare to the TOP of the market and the total gold available from the 'farmers'. Look at the NoLife team for example: they are dedicated farmers and have in hand average 8mil each daily so the range price they could afford could goes up to 16mil for a top nouch item. I have no information on the chinese hacker gold farming market but if that info is publicly available, i bet the average item price gona go even higher.
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Azuzu
Profile Joined August 2010
United States340 Posts
May 25 2012 00:54 GMT
#9953
On May 25 2012 09:44 NB wrote:
well the price right now is mostly set in compare to the TOP of the market and the total gold available from the 'farmers'. Look at the NoLife team for example: they are dedicated farmers and have in hand average 8mil each daily so the range price they could afford could goes up to 16mil for a top nouch item. I have no information on the chinese hacker gold farming market but if that info is publicly available, i bet the average item price gona go even higher.


My prediction is that the top end is what will really increase in the short/medium term while average item prices won't raise much. It's obvious there's going to be a lot of gold inflation, but I think item inflation is going to outpace it by quite a lot. There are going to be a TON of average items floating around which will keep prices down since they have (on average) no way to escape the economy.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-25 01:10:29
May 25 2012 01:09 GMT
#9954
On May 25 2012 09:54 Azuzu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 09:44 NB wrote:
well the price right now is mostly set in compare to the TOP of the market and the total gold available from the 'farmers'. Look at the NoLife team for example: they are dedicated farmers and have in hand average 8mil each daily so the range price they could afford could goes up to 16mil for a top nouch item. I have no information on the chinese hacker gold farming market but if that info is publicly available, i bet the average item price gona go even higher.


My prediction is that the top end is what will really increase in the short/medium term while average item prices won't raise much. It's obvious there's going to be a lot of gold inflation, but I think item inflation is going to outpace it by quite a lot. There are going to be a TON of average items floating around which will keep prices down since they have (on average) no way to escape the economy.

lets think about it like this:
averagely a day you make 50k (thats how much i make at least) with the total value of items around act 1-2 inferno. Dedicated group could easily get 1-2 mil a day by looting 'sweet spots' over and over again. Hackers should be able to earn around 5-10mil my guess. So if top players make like 10 mil a week, the game came out for 2 weeks, that would be 20-30 mil around each of 50-100(?) players each sever. Assuming groups do share the same asset, items price range from 15-20 mil is totally reasonable.
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JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 25 2012 01:13 GMT
#9955
On May 25 2012 09:44 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
My point was that you already did the only logical way to price items currently (search similar stats on auction house). Unless some one on these forums has been actively merchanting for the past week I don't think you can get a better opinion than what you had before you got here.


I have been merchanting for about 5 days now and there are plenty of other people who do it too. Doesn't mean I don't value those who don't or those who are casually playing.

Show nested quote +
but you also have nothing to gain unless you're too incompetent to make inferences from prices.
Only one way to find out and I got my answer in one way or another.

It sounds more like you have a defeatist attitude. I gain more by asking than nothing at all, even the reactions are worthwhile to engage for.


I lowball the hell out of almost every item. If I don't need it myself, and the stats aren't worth drooling over, I'd rather move stuff quickly for lower profits. Especially if it's only the gold AH. No matter what I get, it's more than vendor price, and the last thing I want is badly priced shit clogging up my AH slots.

They're only pixels anyways, and it's not like it's the sort of thing that would be worth saving to throw on RMAH.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
May 25 2012 01:17 GMT
#9956
On May 25 2012 10:13 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 09:44 Torte de Lini wrote:
My point was that you already did the only logical way to price items currently (search similar stats on auction house). Unless some one on these forums has been actively merchanting for the past week I don't think you can get a better opinion than what you had before you got here.


I have been merchanting for about 5 days now and there are plenty of other people who do it too. Doesn't mean I don't value those who don't or those who are casually playing.

but you also have nothing to gain unless you're too incompetent to make inferences from prices.
Only one way to find out and I got my answer in one way or another.

It sounds more like you have a defeatist attitude. I gain more by asking than nothing at all, even the reactions are worthwhile to engage for.


I lowball the hell out of almost every item. If I don't need it myself, and the stats aren't worth drooling over, I'd rather move stuff quickly for lower profits. Especially if it's only the gold AH. No matter what I get, it's more than vendor price, and the last thing I want is badly priced shit clogging up my AH slots.

They're only pixels anyways, and it's not like it's the sort of thing that would be worth saving to throw on RMAH.

you can only do this when you are satisfied with your current setup and dont wish for an upgrade. most people are struggling in act 2-3 requires a lot of item upgrades and gold is the only way they get their hands on the dream gears to beat Diablo and get access to farms in act 4 which gives the best loots in game.
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JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 25 2012 01:19 GMT
#9957
On May 25 2012 10:17 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 10:13 JingleHell wrote:
On May 25 2012 09:44 Torte de Lini wrote:
My point was that you already did the only logical way to price items currently (search similar stats on auction house). Unless some one on these forums has been actively merchanting for the past week I don't think you can get a better opinion than what you had before you got here.


I have been merchanting for about 5 days now and there are plenty of other people who do it too. Doesn't mean I don't value those who don't or those who are casually playing.

but you also have nothing to gain unless you're too incompetent to make inferences from prices.
Only one way to find out and I got my answer in one way or another.

It sounds more like you have a defeatist attitude. I gain more by asking than nothing at all, even the reactions are worthwhile to engage for.


I lowball the hell out of almost every item. If I don't need it myself, and the stats aren't worth drooling over, I'd rather move stuff quickly for lower profits. Especially if it's only the gold AH. No matter what I get, it's more than vendor price, and the last thing I want is badly priced shit clogging up my AH slots.

They're only pixels anyways, and it's not like it's the sort of thing that would be worth saving to throw on RMAH.

you can only do this when you are satisfied with your current setup and dont wish for an upgrade. most people are struggling in act 2-3 requires a lot of item upgrades and gold is the only way they get their hands on the dream gears to beat Diablo and get access to farms in act 4 which gives the best loots in game.


Or if they get mostly shitty drops. If I get something that's actually got good itemization, I'll sell it for a healthier chunk, although still relatively cheap, just because moving volume at a net profit is better than risking clogging up the AH.

And even lowball AH pricing beats the hell out of vending.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
May 25 2012 01:22 GMT
#9958
i'm jelly of all your drops, have been farming act 1 Inferno for a while and haven't gotten a single drop worth over ~200k
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
May 25 2012 01:24 GMT
#9959
On May 25 2012 10:22 Kipsate wrote:
i'm jelly of all your drops, have been farming act 1 Inferno for a while and haven't gotten a single drop worth over ~200k

act 1 is only worth farming gold, if you want items go back to hell act 4 or act2 might get better drops imo
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AndyJay
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia833 Posts
May 25 2012 01:34 GMT
#9960
Probably hit 60 on my wizard tonight to join my barb, going to start farming inferno now. I take it wizard would be a better choice for inferno farming?
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